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[SlinkyRedfoot]

sure. i copied a section for you that you didnt read.

Martinez’s 1999 season may be the most dominant of all time. While his 2000 season had a higher ERA+ (291 vs 243) his 1999 season had a higher K/9, a lower HR/9, a lower FIP and a higher fWAR. (I like fWAR better for pitchers because it is based on FIP and not runs allowed.) And since Pedro pulled off the back-to-back-to back months of winning A.L. Pitcher of the Month in 1999, we’re going to use that as a comparison for what Sale is doing this season.

Pedro’s 1999 was just ridiculous. Over 213.1 IP, he managed a 2.07 ERA, a 1.39 FIP, with a 13.20 K/9 and a 1.56 BB/9.

Sale so far this season? A 2.04 ERA, 2.09 FIP, 13.21 K/9 and a 2.11 BB/9. While not quite matching Pedro’s 1999 season, it’s not a bad imitation. And his 216 OPS+ probably accurately captures the difference between their two years.

But the similarities don’t end there. Both HR/9’s are absurdly low with Pedro at 0.38 and Sale at 0.64. ERA- also looks a lot alike. Pedro was at 42 and Sale currently boasts a 47. ERA- is a park and league adjusted ERA metric similar to ERA+, only better than league average figures will be below 100 instead of above it. For context, anything lower than 70 is considered excellent.

they are
comparing
1999
vs
2018

So, an article that says Sale's 2018 isn't as good as Pedro's 1999 is supporting your position that Sale's 2017 is comparable to Pedro's 1999?

funny shit, dude.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

"umm, errr theyre comparing...wait a second...gotta go! done with this!"

Well, by this definition of the word, we can compare Sale's 2018 to David Price's 2018. Of course, one is nothing like the other, but we can compare them.

 

[Rock Strongo]

So, an article that says Sale's 2018 isn't as good as Pedro's 1999 is supporting your position that Sale's 2017 is comparable to Pedro's 1999?

funny shit, dude.

you...didnt read this did you?

Martinez’s 1999 season may be the most dominant of all time. While his 2000 season had a higher ERA+ (291 vs 243) his 1999 season had a higher K/9, a lower HR/9, a lower FIP and a higher fWAR. (I like fWAR better for pitchers because it is based on FIP and not runs allowed.) And since Pedro pulled off the back-to-back-to back months of winning A.L. Pitcher of the Month in 1999, we’re going to use that as a comparison for what Sale is doing this season.

Pedro’s 1999 was just ridiculous. Over 213.1 IP, he managed a 2.07 ERA, a 1.39 FIP, with a 13.20 K/9 and a 1.56 BB/9.

Sale so far this season? A 2.04 ERA, 2.09 FIP, 13.21 K/9 and a 2.11 BB/9. While not quite matching Pedro’s 1999 season, it’s not a bad imitation. And his 216 OPS+ probably accurately captures the difference between their two years.

But the similarities don’t end there. Both HR/9’s are absurdly low with Pedro at 0.38 and Sale at 0.64. ERA- also looks a lot alike. Pedro was at 42 and Sale currently boasts a 47. ERA- is a park and league adjusted ERA metric similar to ERA+, only better than league average figures will be below 100 instead of above it. For context, anything lower than 70 is considered excellent.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Well, by this definition of the word, we can compare Sale's 2018 to David Price's 2018. Of course, one is nothing like the other, but we can compare them.

youre wrong, proven wrong, and its ok. it happens. the internet CAN be your friend.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

you...didnt read this did you?

Martinez’s 1999 season may be the most dominant of all time. While his 2000 season had a higher ERA+ (291 vs 243) his 1999 season had a higher K/9, a lower HR/9, a lower FIP and a higher fWAR. (I like fWAR better for pitchers because it is based on FIP and not runs allowed.) And since Pedro pulled off the back-to-back-to back months of winning A.L. Pitcher of the Month in 1999, we’re going to use that as a comparison for what Sale is doing this season.

Pedro’s 1999 was just ridiculous. Over 213.1 IP, he managed a 2.07 ERA, a 1.39 FIP, with a 13.20 K/9 and a 1.56 BB/9.

Sale so far this season? A 2.04 ERA, 2.09 FIP, 13.21 K/9 and a 2.11 BB/9. While not quite matching Pedro’s 1999 season, it’s not a bad imitation. And his 216 OPS+ probably accurately captures the difference between their two years.

But the similarities don’t end there. Both HR/9’s are absurdly low with Pedro at 0.38 and Sale at 0.64. ERA- also looks a lot alike. Pedro was at 42 and Sale currently boasts a 47. ERA- is a park and league adjusted ERA metric similar to ERA+, only better than league average figures will be below 100 instead of above it. For context, anything lower than 70 is considered excellent.

That has exactly fuckall to do with a discussion on Sale's 2017 vs Pedro's 1999. No amount of copying and pasting is going to change that.

 

[Rock Strongo]

That has exactly fuckall to do with a discussion on Sale's 2017 vs Pedro's 1999. No amount of copying and pasting is going to change that.

i said 2018. where did you get 2017?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Pedro didn't get 2nd, he won the CY in '99.

Those seasons aren't comparable.

One was one of the best single seasons in the history of baseball, the other wasn't even the best season that season.

my bad. i meant 18, not 17 @SlinkyRedfoot

no idea why i typed 17 but everything i stated after that typo was for 2018 including my links. mea culpa.

so i am comparing pedros 99 with sales 2018, which my links all do.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

i said 2018. where did you get 2017?

Right here.

it did. compare pedros '99 vs sales 17 (the years i was using)

both finished 2nd in the CY
both fanned approx 100 more batters than IP (over 300 k's)
similar WHIPS

 

[Rock Strongo]

Right here.

see above

 

[Rock Strongo]

yeah, somewhere i drifted from 17 to 18,. no idea why.

my goal was comparing 18 to 99, like my links do.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

my bad. i meant 18, not 17 @SlinkyRedfoot

no idea why i typed 17 but everything i stated after that typo was for 2018 including my links. mea culpa.

so i am comparing pedros 99 with sales 2018, which my links all do.

You typed '17 because I was chiding you for starting a fanboy thread last year about how Sale's 2017 was as good as Pedro's 1999 with a few months left in the season.

At the end of the year, Sale's 2018 won't be comparable to Pedro's 1999 either.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

yeah, somewhere i drifted from 17 to 18,. no idea why.

my goal was comparing 18 to 99, like my links do.

youre wrong, proven wrong, and its ok. it happens.

 

[Rock Strongo]

youre wrong, proven wrong, and its ok. it happens.

see how easy it is? my and the links comparison between 99 and 2018 is very valid.

and i think resting sale like this only helps him in the comparison at the end of the year.

 

[Cyder]

see how easy it is? my and the links comparison between 99 and 2018 is very valid.

and i think resting sale like this only helps him in the comparison at the end of the year.

Do these comparisons take into account that in 1999 they were handing out steroids like free samples of Tide as compared to today?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Do these comparisons take into account that in 1999 they were handing out steroids like free samples of Tide as compared to today?

yes they do, its mentioned a lot. as it should be.

this is simply metrics.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

and i think resting sale like this only helps him in the comparison at the end of the year.

I don't disagree, but he needs about 70 innings and 25 points of ERA+ to get to Pedro's '99.

 

[Carnzo]

I skipped 6 pages, and the conversation hasnt changed.

Then get a load of this one
Eli Manning, the HOF, and my long standing Jim Plunkett comparisom

 

[Rock Strongo]

I don't disagree, but he needs about 70 innings and 25 points of ERA+ to get to Pedro's '99.

the innings may not get there, but the peripherals will. id like him to start no more than 28-29 games

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Then get a load of this one
Eli Manning, the HOF, and my long standing Jim Plunkett comparisom

Thats gonna be hard pass for me.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

the innings may not get there, but the peripherals will.

Like last year, Sale is having a fantastic season, but unless he somehow hits the afterburners for the rest of the season, people won't be comparing it to Pedro's 1999.