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[gkekoa]

cooper was offered 22 mil per season by us , i see gollowday and robinson getting 12 to 15 mil to come here

robinson is on just such a contract , 3yr 42 mil . 25 mil guaranteed

the local press here in MI predict gollowday to come in at 16to 18 mil based on roberts woods contract

now i am not sure i want to pay out that to either one of those guys . i would simply draft a wr

now the argument will be made that less the cap is the less players can ask for . and i say they are missing ratios

also look into the future , we will have to extend mac next season , we have to resign sherrf or tag him again , payne , allen will be do soon

the question now becomes can we win a superbowl NEXT season ? i dont think so yet

Why do you believe Cooper was offered so much but a year later, comparable WRs will take 7 million less?

Cooper’s actual contract is 5 years/100 million with 60 guaranteed.
Cooper’s best seasons are comparable to the seasons of Golloday and Robinson. Cooper’s best was 1189 and 8.

Woods’ contract is a 4 year extension worth 65 million, 32 guaranteed.
Woods’ best seasons, 2 of them, are comparable to the best seasons of Cooper, Robinson, and Golloday.

I see 16-18 million per season for Golloday and Robinson. Of course we don’t know the exacts on next season’s cap.

Now, keep in mind, Golloday has played with Stafford, who throws the ball about 600 times each season. That isn’t RR’s game.

Also, these FAs, at 16-18 mil per season are being paid number one money. Like you said, do we want to pay them and then lose TM or Jonathan Allen, Scherff, or Payne?

I am with you. We shouldn’t waste money on these WRs. Kick the tires...fine. But you don’t pay market value. You come in lower and see if they bite. If not, draft a WR. If so, you still should draft a WR if they are best value.

 

[deanpet21]

Why do you believe Cooper was offered so much but a year later, comparable WRs will take 7 million less?

Cooper’s actual contract is 5 years/100 million with 60 guaranteed.
Cooper’s best seasons are comparable to the seasons of Golloday and Robinson. Cooper’s best was 1189 and 8.

Woods’ contract is a 4 year extension worth 65 million, 32 guaranteed.
Woods’ best seasons, 2 of them, are comparable to the best seasons of Cooper, Robinson, and Golloday.

I see 16-18 million per season for Golloday and Robinson. Of course we don’t know the exacts on next season’s cap.

Now, keep in mind, Golloday has played with Stafford, who throws the ball about 600 times each season. That isn’t RR’s game.

Also, these FAs, at 16-18 mil per season are being paid number one money. Like you said, do we want to pay them and then lose TM or Jonathan Allen, Scherff, or Payne?

I am with you. We shouldn’t waste money on these WRs. Kick the tires...fine. But you don’t pay market value. You come in lower and see if they bite. If not, draft a WR. If so, you still should draft a WR if they are best value.

I see your point. T.y Hilton could be a good deal. Plus Curtis Samuel is a FA and you know Scott Tuner is going to want him.

 

[gkekoa]

They are not going to get big money in Fa like a A. Cooper. Im saying they are targets for us in FA. Golloday has been injured this year. I believe we need to get a legit WR in Fa here.

Why aren’t they going to get Cooper money? I just showed you they produced as much, if not better than Cooper. I disproved your age and injury prone analysis.

Golloday has been injured this season...that doesn’t make him injury prone.

You can believe whatever you want about WR. I understand that. I can disagree With you. If I disagree, I will supply facts as to why I disagree. Feel free to rebut my statements with actual facts. I respect that, but I will fact check you.

 

[deanpet21]

Why aren’t they going to get Cooper money? I just showed you they produced as much, if not better than Cooper. I disproved your age and injury prone analysis.

Golloday has been injured this season...that doesn’t make him injury prone.

You can believe whatever you want about WR. I understand that. I can disagree With you. If I disagree, I will supply facts as to why I disagree. Feel free to rebut my statements with actual facts. I respect that, but I will fact check you.

We will see if Robison and Galloday get 20m per season. I say no

 

[gkekoa]

I see your point. T.y Hilton could be a good deal. Plus Curtis Samuel is a FA and you know Scott Tuner is going to want him.

Now I like this far more. This I respect.

TY Hilton may be cheaper. He has not produced the last two seasons; however, he has produced at a higher level than all the other players we have discussed when healthy. He is older, 31, and has been injury prone. Pairing him at say 10-12 million with TM will kill opposing defenses with speed.

Why is Turner going to want Samuel so badly? His best season will be about 700 yards and 3-4 TDS. We have that on our own team with decent QB play and allowing the player to actually play.

 

[deanpet21]

Now I like this far more. This I respect.

TY Hilton may be cheaper. He has not produced the last two seasons; however, he has produced at a higher level than all the other players we have discussed when healthy. He is older, 31, and has been injury prone. Pairing him at say 10-12 million with TM will kill opposing defenses with speed.

Why is Turner going to want Samuel so badly? His best season will be about 700 yards and 3-4 TDS. We have that on our own team with decent QB play and allowing the player to actually play.

there were rumors that we tried to trade for Samuel in the draft. Plus Turner had him in Carolina. 10-12m for T.y. is a great deal.

 

[gkekoa]

We will see if Robison and Galloday get 20m per season. I say no

I say no as well. It is a question. The answer to why they won’t will be a reduced cap; however, they will still get over 15 million per season which is ridiculous. They won’t produce that here under RR. The fans won’t be happy because of that. We need to learn to pay our own producers such as Allen, Payne, Scherff, Sweat, and Young...not to mention the best WR mentioned...Terry MacLaurin.

 

[deanpet21]

I say no as well. It is a question. The answer to why they won’t will be a reduced cap; however, they will still get over 15 million per season which is ridiculous. They won’t produce that here under RR. The fans won’t be happy because of that. We need to learn to pay our own producers such as Allen, Payne, Scherff, Sweat, and Young...not to mention the best WR mentioned...Terry MacLaurin.

Depends what Allen wants. How are we going to pay everyone? Plus we have Ionman coming back. With Settle playing well. How do we keep Allen?

 

[gkekoa]

there were rumors that we tried to trade for Samuel in the draft. Plus Turner had him in Carolina. 10-12m for T.y. is a great deal.

Rumors are just that. We don’t know what would have been offered for Samuel. Is that true interest for Samuel worth noting. How much will he make in FA? Is that value when we have comparable guys on the roster now?

10-12 million for Hilton may not get it done. Who knows? That price is overpaying for Hilton the last two season; however, it is severely underpaying if we get the healthy 2017 version. How much risk do we take?

 

[deanpet21]

Rumors are just that. We don’t know what would have been offered for Samuel. Is that true interest for Samuel worth noting. How much will he make in FA? Is that value when we have comparable guys on the roster now?

10-12 million for Hilton may not get it done. Who knows? That price is overpaying for Hilton the last two season; however, it is severely underpaying if we get the healthy 2017 version. How much risk do we take?

I just dont like our Wr core. IF we dont draft one than I think we are in big trouble unless we get one in FA. But tmac, T.y Hilton, and Agg would not be that bad. Plus we have Harmon coming back next year.

 

[gkekoa]

Depends what Allen wants. How are we going to pay everyone? Plus we have Ionman coming back. With Settle playing well. How do we keep Allen?

Allen is going to want market value. He will likely get 18-20 million per season. He isn’t a FA until 2022.

Ion is under contract through 2022 on a backup contract. He isn’t even a contemplation.

Settle is a FA the same year as Allen. Settle is Allen’s backup. What do you pay Settle? He is playing well as a backup, so it is likely some team would pay him a low tier starter salary. So you choose to pickup Settle at 10-12 mil over Allen at 18-20?

 

[deanpet21]

Allen is going to want market value. He will likely get 18-20 million per season. He isn’t a FA until 2022.

Ion is under contract through 2022 on a backup contract. He isn’t even a contemplation.

Settle is a FA the same year as Allen. Settle is Allen’s backup. What do you pay Settle? He is playing well as a backup, so it is likely some team would pay him a low tier starter salary. So you choose to pickup Settle at 10-12 mil over Allen at 18-20?

Allen is a good player but that number is very high when you have Payne, ionman, and Settle on the team. Its way too early to speculate. The main thing is our dline is all back for the 2021 season. If we ever get a decent offense we should be a 10 win team. heck should of been a 9 win team this year.

 

[chillerdab]

Kenny Golloday is 27 years old and played 15 games in 2018 and 16 in 2019. He is young and not injury prone at all.
In 2018, he caught 70 for 1063 yards and 5 TDS.
in 2019, he caught 65 for 1190 and 11 TDS.

Allen Robinson is 27 years old and has played every game the last two seasons.
In 2019, he caught 98 passes for 1147 yards and 7 TDS.
So far in 2020, he has caught 90 for 1110 and 6 TDS.

So do you just make shit up and hope we don’t check your “facts” out?

Among the many things I did not know was that robinson and golladay are the same age and have similar very good stats.
To me, these statlines suggest #1 wr money, not #2 money, and thus I would be inclined to pass on them both.

I stand corrected, gkekoa.

 

[gkekoa]

I just dont like our Wr core. IF we dont draft one than I think we are in big trouble unless we get one in FA. But tmac, T.y Hilton, and Agg would not be that bad. Plus we have Harmon coming back next year.

I get not liking our WRs. We have a lot of unproven guys from Cam Sims, to AGG, to Kelvin Harmon. When given a shot, has Cam Sims stepped up? The answer is yes. Is Samuel better than anything we have? Perhaps, but is he worth the contract?

We have a true number one in TM, I believe he is a top five WR right now. We will have to pay him. We can’t pay everybody.

 

[gkekoa]

Allen is a good player but that number is very high when you have Payne, ionman, and Settle on the team. Its way too early to speculate. The main thing is our dline is all back for the 2021 season. If we ever get a decent offense we should be a 10 win team. heck should of been a 9 win team this year.

I agree the number is high but that is the market. Allen is a top player. Ion is injured. Settle is unproven But will see a big contract for his production. We have choices which is good.

 

[skinsdad62]

Why do you believe Cooper was offered so much but a year later, comparable WRs will take 7 million less?

Cooper’s actual contract is 5 years/100 million with 60 guaranteed.
Cooper’s best seasons are comparable to the seasons of Golloday and Robinson. Cooper’s best was 1189 and 8.

Woods’ contract is a 4 year extension worth 65 million, 32 guaranteed.
Woods’ best seasons, 2 of them, are comparable to the best seasons of Cooper, Robinson, and Golloday.

I see 16-18 million per season for Golloday and Robinson. Of course we don’t know the exacts on next season’s cap.

Now, keep in mind, Golloday has played with Stafford, who throws the ball about 600 times each season. That isn’t RR’s game.

Also, these FAs, at 16-18 mil per season are being paid number one money. Like you said, do we want to pay them and then lose TM or Jonathan Allen, Scherff, or Payne?

I am with you. We shouldn’t waste money on these WRs. Kick the tires...fine. But you don’t pay market value. You come in lower and see if they bite. If not, draft a WR. If so, you still should draft a WR if they are best value.

Because cooper and RR said IT

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Sportster 72]

Kenny Golloday is 27 years old and played 15 games in 2018 and 16 in 2019. He is young and not injury prone at all.
In 2018, he caught 70 for 1063 yards and 5 TDS.
in 2019, he caught 65 for 1190 and 11 TDS.

Allen Robinson is 27 years old and has played every game the last two seasons.
In 2019, he caught 98 passes for 1147 yards and 7 TDS.
So far in 2020, he has caught 90 for 1110 and 6 TDS.

So do you just make shit up and hope we don’t check your “facts” out?

Both are about the age you'd like, both have been pretty productive. The only way they won't cost a boat load is if the cap drops a lot. Then everyone will cost a lot less and there will probably be a lot of one year contracts.

 

[gkekoa]

Because cooper and RR said IT

Not what I asked.

Why would Golloday and Robinson accept so much less than the comparable Cooper? Statistically, Golloday is the best of the three.

 

[skinz2winz]

Not what I asked.

Why would Golloday and Robinson accept so much less than the comparable Cooper? Statistically, Golloday is the best of the three.

One season is not a body of work but Cooper has demonstrated consistancy over the course of 4-5 NFL seasons. Not so sure Golloday or Robinson yet carry that pedigree. Either way, NFL teams do get desperate and throw around money so I'm sure they will get paid very well.