NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[fightinfunbags]

Grow up.

Go fuck yourself

 

[trojanfan12]

I don't think BM would handle it well at all if doesn't win the job.

And the Panthers haven't made any indications yet that BM is their starter that I'm aware of. Both QB's should be very motivated to get the job.

Does anyone know BM's timeline to full return from surgery? Not sure if that will factor into things at the start of the season.

Yeah, from what has been reported, neither is going in as the presumed starter. Supposedly it's going to be a real competition.

No idea about Bakers recovery timeline. But from the way folks are talking, it sounds like he should be good to go at the start of training camp.

 

[dtgold88]

Nope. I refuse to. The numbers show a huge blind spot in our system. The fact of the matter is that r*pe and sexual assault are under reported, under prosecuted and has a horrible conviction rate despite the fact that 95% plus of women who come forward aren’t full of shit. That’s all evidence of a huge problem.

But it seems the problem for women who are actually raped is how difficult it is to prove it (and a potential stigma) not being prosecuted for lying about the r*pe when they are telling the truth.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah, from what has been reported, neither is going in as the presumed starter. Supposedly it's going to be a real competition.

No idea about Bakers recovery timeline. But from the way folks are talking, it sounds like he should be good to go at the start of training camp.

I'm sure he wouldn't be thrilled if he did not win the job nor would Darnold. Darnold would have the leg up being healthier and knowing the system. But, hell, Baker did OK in 2020 when he didn't really know the system and was dealing with a Covid training camp.

Should be interesting.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Go fuck yourself

Stay classy.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I'm sure he wouldn't be thrilled if he did not win the job nor would Darnold. Darnold would have the leg up being healthier and knowing the system. But, hell, Baker did OK in 2020 when he didn't really know the system and was dealing with a Covid training camp.

Should be interesting.

Even if Darnold wins the job.....by week 3-4 Baker should be starting since Rhule is on the hottest coaching seat in the NFL.

 

[dtgold88]

You’re seeing my concern come to fruition now in the abortion debate. Poorly worded trigger laws are leaving people in the wind. Unclear wording creates a layer of concern in whether or not a pregnant cancer patient can receive life extending or life saving chemotherapy. That was never the intent of these laws but all the same, people are likely to be caught in the cross hairs. My fear is what keeps a person from beating the wrap in court and then with that acquittal taking it to push an investigation of the accuser? That makes bad worse.

If a guy beat an actual rap in court why would he want to go into court again on the matter? You are not making much sense here.

 

[fightinfunbags]

But it seems the problem for women who are actually raped is how difficult it is to prove it (and a potential stigma) not being prosecuted for lying about the r*pe when they are telling the truth.

They don’t come forward because the cost benefit analysis is horribly skewed. Even if they come forward and they beat the stats to have the best outcome possible here’s what they win:
1. They relive their r*pe through the investigation and trial.
2. Their past decision making is put on trial as the go to defense is to make the accuser out to be a promiscuous whore who was asking for the sexual experience.
3. Even when a conviction is attained you will often get sentencing like the Stanford swimmer case where the judge didn’t want to ruin his life so he gave him like 2-3 months.

And all of this happens if they beat the odds and things go right.

So we’re talking about adding another layer to that with the potential threat their accusation will be deemed to be a lie and now they could face prosecution on top of being assaulted? All this increased emphasis would do is discourage women from coming forward and that’s already a condition that exists. This would just make it worse.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If a guy beat an actual rap in court why would he want to go into court again on the matter? You are not making much sense here.

Because he’s vindictive and he wants to see his accuser suffer.

 

[Wamu]

Yeah, from what has been reported, neither is going in as the presumed starter. Supposedly it's going to be a real competition.

No idea about Bakers recovery timeline. But from the way folks are talking, it sounds like he should be good to go at the start of training camp.

BM might have trouble seeing his receivers with his head jammed up his ass.

 

[trojanfan12]

As someone that watched every college game he played I’ll say I would be shocked if Mayfield doesn’t win the job. His entire game is based on having a back against the wall attitude. He has more talent than Darnold anyway, but I see no way he loses an honest competition after all he has been through.

And as someone who watched every game Darnold played, I will be surprised if he doesn't win the job. Fun how that works.

Sam is bigger and stronger than Baker, already knows everyone, knows the offense and it's a shorter training camp.

Not saying Baker won't eventually win the job, but the odds are against him being the starter coming out of camp.

As I said earlier, even if Sam wins the job, Baker will get his shot. Sam has a tendency to get reckless and rely on his athleticism too much. Rhule is on the hot seat and as soon as Sam puts a game in jeopardy by doing something reckless, Rhule will yank him.

Then it will be up to Baker to keep the job. A lot of folks are saying that whoever wins the job ultimately won't matter because unless 1 of them suddenly turns into Tom Brady, Carolina will move off of both after the season.

 

[dtgold88]

They don’t come forward because the cost benefit analysis is horribly skewed. Even if they come forward and they beat the stats to have the best outcome possible here’s what they win:
1. They relive their r*pe through the investigation and trial.
2. Their past decision making is put on trial as the go to defense is to make the accuser out to be a promiscuous whore who was asking for the sexual experience.
3. Even when a conviction is attained you will often get sentencing like the Stanford swimmer case where the judge didn’t want to ruin his life so he gave him like 2-3 months.

And all of this happens if they beat the odds and things go right.

So we’re talking about adding another layer to that with the potential threat their accusation will be deemed to be a lie and now they could face prosecution on top of being assaulted? All this increased emphasis would do is discourage women from coming forward and that’s already a condition that exists. This would just make it worse.

OK, but nothing would happen if their accusations were only deemed to be a lie. would take a bit more than that.

 

[trojanfan12]

I'm sure he wouldn't be thrilled if he did not win the job nor would Darnold. Darnold would have the leg up being healthier and knowing the system. But, hell, Baker did OK in 2020 when he didn't really know the system and was dealing with a Covid training camp.

Should be interesting.

I agree with Cowherd...Carolina would be great for Hard Knocks. lol

 

[dtgold88]

Because he’s vindictive and he wants to see his accuser suffer.

But who is the one who has to prosecute the case? It would be the DA office who likely thinks he committed the crime since we are talking about someone who did commit the crime in this case. As I said, you are not making much sense here. Not that I expect you'd own you are not making much sense.

 

[dtgold88]

I agree with Cowherd...Carolina would be great for Hard Knocks. lol

Sure would....it's already been decided though, right?

 

[fightinfunbags]

OK, but nothing would happen if their accusations were only deemed to be a lie. would take a bit more than that.

Would it? You can’t make that promise.

 

[Wamu]

I agree with Cowherd...Carolina would be great for Hard Knocks. lol

Imagine the possibilities of that show if the Panthers sign OBJ.

 

[fightinfunbags]

But who is the one who has to prosecute the case? It would be the DA office who likely thinks he committed the crime since we are talking about someone who did commit the crime in this case. As I said, you are not making much sense here. Not that I expect you'd own you are not making much sense.

If I were not making sense I would own it. Your math only accounts for a criminal case. You aren’t even considering the possibility of a civil case. When I’m wrong I’ll own it as I have in the past. You need to do a better job to establish that. Will you own that you haven’t even considered the possibility of civil suits in this new focus you and others are putting forth?

 

[trojanfan12]

They don’t come forward because the cost benefit analysis is horribly skewed. Even if they come forward and they beat the stats to have the best outcome possible here’s what they win:
1. They relive their r*pe through the investigation and trial.
2. Their past decision making is put on trial as the go to defense is to make the accuser out to be a promiscuous whore who was asking for the sexual experience.
3. Even when a conviction is attained you will often get sentencing like the Stanford swimmer case where the judge didn’t want to ruin his life so he gave him like 2-3 months.

And all of this happens if they beat the odds and things go right.

So we’re talking about adding another layer to that with the potential threat their accusation will be deemed to be a lie and now they could face prosecution on top of being assaulted? All this increased emphasis would do is discourage women from coming forward and that’s already a condition that exists. This would just make it worse.

And? We only allow a vigorous defense for crimes that aren't uncomfortable for the alleged victim?

The problem with r*pe/sexual assault cases is that, if I recall the statistics correctly, the majority of rapes aren't the followed home/random attack variety. Most often, it is a date r*pe situation or at least a situation where the accused is someone the victim knows. I'd wager that also has a fair bit to do with why these crimes are underreported.

The whole thing is just incredibly difficult...even the r*pe exam which is necessary to get evidence to convict someone can leave a woman feeling vulnerable, if not downright demeaned. She's already been raped and from what I have heard, the exam can almost feel like a second r*pe. Especially, since it needs to happen pretty quickly afterwards for the best chance to get evidence when all she probably wants is to get home and take a shower to wash it all off.

 

[trojanfan12]

Sure would....it's already been decided though, right?

Probably. Don't know for sure though.