NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[thunderc]

I think coaching is the issue aa well

Still a very strange hire

 

[trojanfan12]

I think coaching is the issue aa well

His only head coaching experience was 4-5 years at Texas Tech. When the Cardinals hired him, UISC had just hired him as their OC, so he didn't even go to another college HC job.

He's definitely learning on the job which would be okay because they have a fairly young team. But it looks like his team may having a shorter learning curve than he is.

 

[Wamu]

2 thoughts from watching this football game:

1) why do the Browns ever throw the ball? <----

2) the Packers are so damn conservative with leads. I think they will likely get beat in the playoffs because of it.

So many explosive teams out there. You can’t stop scoring when you go up 2 TDs.

Because Stefanski has too much faith in Mayfield?

But he (BM) singlehandedly lost that game yesterday.

Thought is was interesting that Aikman said on air two of those int's weren't Mayfield's fault. Said the D got away with some holding.

Don't care. Those other two int's were simply awful. Any Browns fans still holding onto hope that Mayfield will be the franchise QB the team has been looking for for decades need to wake up.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Because Stefanski has too much faith in Mayfield?

But he (BM) singlehandedly lost that game yesterday.

Thought is was interesting that Aikman said on air two of those int's weren't Mayfield's fault. Said the D got away with some holding.

Don't care. Those other two int's were simply awful. Any Browns fans still holding onto hope that Mayfield will be the franchise QB the team has been looking for for decades need to wake up.

It was definitely a coupled loss from bad playcalling to bad play from Baker. I am done talking about Baker for the future, yes he is injured but this team is too talented to waste the prime years. Maybe Stefanski will alter his playcalling if they get another QB, at least I hope

 

[Wamu]

It was definitely a coupled loss from bad playcalling to bad play from Baker. I am done talking about Baker for the future, yes he is injured but this team is too talented to waste the prime years. Maybe Stefanski will alter his playcalling if they get another QB, at least I hope

This has definitely been a disappointing season.

 

[trojanfan12]

Because Stefanski has too much faith in Mayfield?

But he (BM) singlehandedly lost that game yesterday.

Thought is was interesting that Aikman said on air two of those int's weren't Mayfield's fault. Said the D got away with some holding.

Don't care. Those other two int's were simply awful. Any Browns fans still holding onto hope that Mayfield will be the franchise QB the team has been looking for for decades need to wake up.

It was definitely a coupled loss from bad playcalling to bad play from Baker. I am done talking about Baker for the future, yes he is injured but this team is too talented to waste the prime years. Maybe Stefanski will alter his playcalling if they get another QB, at least I hope

I think Baker is a franchise QB. He just isn't a Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Prime Roethlisberger level franchise QB. The problem. imo, is that the Browns seem to try to game plan as if he is. Hence, they will call plays that you might call when you have a QB on their level.

The Browns were running the ball down the Packers throats. Maybe if you have one of those QB's, you take a shot or 2 in the passing game. Not the best idea with a QB at Bakers level. Seems that if they stuck to the run more, they likely win yesterday.

Also, it's not that you can never take those shots with Baker at QB, he occasionally hits on those...you just have to be pickier about when you do it.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think Baker is a franchise QB. He just isn't a Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Prime Roethlisberger level franchise QB. The problem. imo, is that the Browns seem to try to game plan as if he is. Hence, they will call plays that you might call when you have a QB on their level.

The Browns were running the ball down the Packers throats. Maybe if you have one of those QB's, you take a shot or 2 in the passing game. Not the best idea with a QB at Bakers level. Seems that if they stuck to the run more, they likely win yesterday.

Also, it's not that you can never take those shots with Baker at QB, he occasionally hits on those...you just have to be pickier about when you do it.

Franchise QB, I agree but everything needs to go right to win it. It’s the Browns….the odds of that happening is slim to none. I am all-in on an upgrade but the chance of that is pretty little imo

 

[tlance]

Because Stefanski has too much faith in Mayfield?

But he (BM) singlehandedly lost that game yesterday.

Thought is was interesting that Aikman said on air two of those int's weren't Mayfield's fault. Said the D got away with some holding.

Don't care. Those other two int's were simply awful. Any Browns fans still holding onto hope that Mayfield will be the franchise QB the team has been looking for for decades need to wake up.

I honestly put more blame on Stefanski.

Baker is who is he. He can make a great play, then follow it with a crippling mistake.

The Browns were running at about 8 yards a clip yesterday, yet Baker dropped back 36 times vs. 25 runs (2 of those were scrambles by Baker).

Green Bay could not stop the run game. And even on the possessions where they used the run to get to red zone, they tried to throw it in with mixed results.

I think even an elementary play caller in those circumstances is going to run the ball significantly more then they threw it. Not saying they had to go Patriot extreme, but Chubb and Johnson needed more attempts the way that game was flowing. They were never so far back they needed to abandon the run either.

 

[tlance]

It was definitely a coupled loss from bad playcalling to bad play from Baker. I am done talking about Baker for the future, yes he is injured but this team is too talented to waste the prime years. Maybe Stefanski will alter his playcalling if they get another QB, at least I hope

And that is just it.

Once you pay the QB, you will be forced to drop talent/depth from other parts of the roster.

 

[dtgold88]

Yep....now I remember. THAT was a joke.

 

[dtgold88]

I can't sit and lament over missed opportunities. It's obviously not their year.

Still have a very outside shot at playoffs with Cincy beating Baltimore pitt beating Baltimore, and Pitt and Baltimore, cincy losing every other game but obviously looks pretty bleak.

actually not as bleak as you made it out (even though pretty much what I'll write)...though requires us to win last 2.

Cinci needs to beat Bmore (with Bmore playing 3rd string QB), Steelers and Cinci must lose to KC (doesn't help KC down some guys vs. Steelers) and Bmore must lose to Rams (or steelers).

Guess the way we played in GB without 3 O-lineman AND their backups would think we could beat Cinci and Steelers....but who knows this year?

last 2 still so disheartening.

 

[dtgold88]

They may win a 3 way tie breaker over cincy and Baltimore but not 100 percent

they will if it goes as you said (us winning out and Bmore losing to Cinci).

 

[dtgold88]

Made the same comment yesterday. Game script dictated that the Browns didn’t have to get pass happy. They likely needed another 25 yards with about 1:30 left and 3 time outs. Man…feed Chubb Stefanski.

couldn't hear it all, but thought when asked coach said they wanted to get the TD (implying no faith in kicker). I can understand that, however, with 3 TOs would not preclude another run or 2. Did have a screen set up on one of them, I guess.

 

[dtgold88]

Damn. lookks like Travis Kelce will be out today. ah well...

Assuming you are lamenting what it does for my FFL roster? I knew you cared.

 

[dtgold88]

Because Stefanski has too much faith in Mayfield?

But he (BM) singlehandedly lost that game yesterday.

Thought is was interesting that Aikman said on air two of those int's weren't Mayfield's fault. Said the D got away with some holding.

Don't care. Those other two int's were simply awful. Any Browns fans still holding onto hope that Mayfield will be the franchise QB the team has been looking for for decades need to wake up.

aikman also said the injury could also be a real issue for him. Probably didn't help was missing 3 starters on the line AND the backups.

and, while I do think his receiver was held on 2 of the INTs even having 2 would have been too much (though they'd still have likely won with only 2).

No doubt gonna need to be at least considering other options, though, next season.

 

[dtgold88]

It was definitely a coupled loss from bad playcalling to bad play from Baker. I am done talking about Baker for the future, yes he is injured but this team is too talented to waste the prime years. Maybe Stefanski will alter his playcalling if they get another QB, at least I hope

alter it how? I mean, if anything, he seems to put too much faith in baker as needed to run less. will a better QB mean he uses him less?

Baker was really good last year and elite second half this year. was really good pre-injury. Since injury other than a couple games he's been really bad. Certainly a possibility the injuries are a real issue....and, yes, a possibility it's him and if there's a better option need to move on.

Ryan or even Carr would be a little intriguing.

 

[dtgold88]

I think Baker is a franchise QB. He just isn't a Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Prime Roethlisberger level franchise QB. The problem. imo, is that the Browns seem to try to game plan as if he is. Hence, they will call plays that you might call when you have a QB on their level.

The Browns were running the ball down the Packers throats. Maybe if you have one of those QB's, you take a shot or 2 in the passing game. Not the best idea with a QB at Bakers level. Seems that if they stuck to the run more, they likely win yesterday.

Also, it's not that you can never take those shots with Baker at QB, he occasionally hits on those...you just have to be pickier about when you do it.

I really liked KS last year and still like him, but no doubt some moves can be questioned this season. Idea many say he's too conservative not one of them as what you said is more accurate IMO.

 

[dtgold88]

Franchise QB, I agree but everything needs to go right to win it. It’s the Browns….the odds of that happening is slim to none. I am all-in on an upgrade but the chance of that is pretty little imo

"everything needs to go right"? with Covid and other injuries we've certainly won games (even big games) when things were far from going right.

 

[dtgold88]

I honestly put more blame on Stefanski.

Baker is who is he. He can make a great play, then follow it with a crippling mistake.

The Browns were running at about 8 yards a clip yesterday, yet Baker dropped back 36 times vs. 25 runs (2 of those were scrambles by Baker).

Green Bay could not stop the run game. And even on the possessions where they used the run to get to red zone, they tried to throw it in with mixed results.

I think even an elementary play caller in those circumstances is going to run the ball significantly more then they threw it. Not saying they had to go Patriot extreme, but Chubb and Johnson needed more attempts the way that game was flowing. They were never so far back they needed to abandon the run either.

In addition, needed more urgency. The no huddle worked really well when they finally used it. That late drive that took half the 4th quarter (with no points) was a complete disaster....never mind the late sacks when they could have run the ball more.

I'm rarely blame the coach guy - and still have faith in him - but bigtime criticism was warranted in this one...and, sure, for baker, too.

 

[dtgold88]

And that is just it.

Once you pay the QB, you will be forced to drop talent/depth from other parts of the roster.

You will, but the bigtime payday isn't until 2023 when we could see a massive cap spike from where we are now.