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My take on KC's game so far

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Is That what I said?

Now you're f'ing around, you saying that there are posters that say he should be gone, even if true, DOES NOT in any way, form or fashion, equal KC not getting his chance. You've got to know that there's a huge difference between should and is!!!
 

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Now you're f'ing around, you saying that there are posters that say he should be gone, even if true, DOES NOT in any way, form or fashion, equal KC not getting his chance. You've got to know that there's a huge difference between should and is!!!
Really? Did I say that also?
 

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i agree . i mean the things he gets dinged on are what experienced good qbs can do . he has to get there but the expectation here on this board by some people are he should have that experienced "miracled " in for him

I'm not ready to agree with this, while we can pick out things that he's learned not to do, what's more bothersome are the things that he repeatedly say post game that he has to improve on, but either doesn't or takes a step forward, followed by a step back on the same things. Remember, he's at QB 101 stage (I agree with you on that Dad ) but as we approach the midway point of the season, others might disagree with me, but I truly believe that the learning curve peaks after the Patriots game. At some point, as scary as it must seem to people who don't see him improving in step with his live game experience ( their opinion not mine), Gruden must relax the grip and see if the dawg can indeed hunt.
 

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Did you mean Aaron Rogers as a starter, dude sat for 4 years before he became the starter, attended QB school and ran the scout team.

Don't know where you're getting your info from but Brett Favre was the starting QB for the first three years of Rogers career. He was the backup and only came into games in mop up roles. Maybe that start you're referring to was the preseason game his rookie season. There was no first year starting prior to going to McCarthy's QB school.

"Coach Mike McCarthy arrived in Rodgers’s second season, and he recognized the talent that spent Sundays holding clipboards. Since 1993, McCarthy has charted quarterbacks in five footwork drills that rate agility and movement. In his three backup seasons, Rodgers improved most in those areas, McCarthy said, to where he now ranks “at the top of all of them.”

In what McCarthy calls his Quarterback School, Rodgers concentrated on tuning his fine motor skills: hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, mechanics. He also lowered where he held the ball for a smoother, more consistent motion.

By the end of Rodgers’s second year, McCarthy and Thompson saw him as a starter who happened not to start. With his quarterback coach, Tom Clements, Rodgers studied every play from the Packers’ previous season. He also took the spring practice repetitions when Favre stayed home in Mississippi.

Between Rodgers’s second and third seasons, Quarterback School consisted of 10 hours in the film room and 3 hours on the practice field a week, an offensive study conducted in “painstaking detail,” Clements said.

Eventually, Rodgers focused less on learning the Packers’ offense and more on clarifying why defenses ran certain coverages, schemes or fronts. Now, when Rodgers drops back to pass, he does not look for his receivers. He looks for defenders, where they are, where they might move, what that means or could mean. Then he throws for receivers headed toward open space."

So you know and I know my point and I said this in my post that I am not saying Cousins is Rogers. What I am saying is the coaches have to determine if Cousins is coachable. I can find positive threads and negative threads and articles about Cousins. Your point seems to be he isn't learning enough. You came on here two days ago and said he is throwing off his back foot but then Cali posts a breakdown of him over striding on throws last week. There were other references that refuted your claims of two days ago. I am not saying this to say you are wrong. I am pointing out that their are differing opinions. Many by football neophytes.

For the 57th time in the past couple of days I will say what I said those other times. SM and Gruden will determine whether he has what it takes to play the game. You don't have that skill and either do. Your posts tend towards the negative when discussing Cousins mine or more positive. We will see what happens. :2cents:
 

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Right reads, right throw, on time....constantly inaccurate.
 

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Right reads, right throw, on time....constantly inaccurate.


I'll take three out of four considering the 4th can be worked on.

And a 68% completion rate on the season is hardly considered constantly inaccurate.
 

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I keep hearing this argument about how inaccurate he is. The stats just don't back that up. Now he does throw a duck now and again, but overall, his accuracy is in the top 10 of all QBs this year. I will also say that while his completion % is very good, a lot of times his passes, although caught, do not allow for YAC as the receiver as to come to a stop or reach behind to make the reception. But a lot of that is just working with the receivers more and should improve as they understand each other better. Remember, RG3 was getting the lions share of all preseason reps up until 2 weeks before the season began.
 

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I keep hearing this argument about how inaccurate he is. The stats just don't back that up. Now he does throw a duck now and again, but overall, his accuracy is in the top 10 of all QBs this year. I will also say that while his completion % is very good, a lot of times his passes, although caught, do not allow for YAC as the receiver as to come to a stop or reach behind to make the reception. But a lot of that is just working with the receivers more and should improve as they understand each other better. Remember, RG3 was getting the lions share of all preseason reps up until 2 weeks before the season began.

I'm pulling this from a post from an old friend on KFFL, I've ask for the source link. But I believe the figures are accurate and backs up my position all along. It's easy to have a high completion rate when you throw so many short passes. And he has nearly twice as many short passes than those over 10 yards. When he does have open receivers down field he misses them way too often.

After 5 games

Between 0-5 yards : 88/106, 83,01%, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Between 6-10 yards : 15/23, 65,22%, 1 TD, 1 INT
That makes him at 103/129, 79.84%, 5 TDs, 2 INts for 10 yards or less.

Between 11-15 yards : 9/19, 47,37%, 2 INTs
Between 16-20 yards : 10/18, 55,55%, 1 INT
More than 20 yards : 4/18, 22,22%, 1 INT
That makes him at 23/55, 41.82%, 0 TD 4 INTs for 11 yards or more.
 
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I'm pulling this from a post from an old friend on KFFL, I've ask for the source link. But I believe the figures are accurate and backs up my position all along. It's easy to have a high completion rate when you throw so many short passes. And he has nearly twice as many short passes than those over 10 yards. When he does have open receivers down field he misses them way too often.

After 5 games

Between 0-5 yards : 88/106, 83,01%, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Between 6-10 yards : 15/23, 65,22%, 1 TD, 1 INT
That makes him at 103/129, 79.84%, 5 TDs, 2 INts for 10 yards or less.

Between 11-15 yards : 9/19, 47,37%, 2 INTs
Between 16-20 yards : 10/18, 55,55%, 1 INT
More than 20 yards : 4/18, 22,22%, 1 INT
That makes him at 23/55, 41.82%, 0 TD 4 INTs for 11 yards or more.
Yeah, I thought about the short passes thing and it could skew the numbers. But I'm curious how his percentage of short passes compare to the rest of the league? I really don't know, but I do know that guys like Peyton throw a ton of short passes.
 

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The difference of course is Peyton is very accurate on deeper throws, even today's Peyton. But let's not compare our boy with an all time great. I think we can agree that Kirk misses a lot of throws downfield, throws he simply needs to hit. And as you and I have said even when he makes a completion often it forces the receiver to adjust and kills YAC. It's just awful hard to go 80 yards 6 yards at a time, they need to start hitting on bigger plays.
 

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"Coach Mike McCarthy did in Rodgers’s second season, and he recognized the talent that spent Sundays holding clip board. Since 1993, McCarthy has charted quarterbacks in five footwork drills that rate agility and movement. In his three backup seasons, Rodgers improved most in those areas, McCarthy said, to where he now ranks “at the top of all of .”

In what McCarthy calls his Quarterback School, Rodgers concentrated on tuning his fine motor skills: hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, mechanics. He also lowered where he held the ball for a smoother, more consistent motion.

By the end of Rodgers’s second year, McCarthy and Thompson saw him as a starter who happened not to start. With his quarterback coach, Tom Clements, Rodgers studied every play from the Packers’ previous season. He also took the spring practice repetitions when Favre stayed home in Mississippi.

Between Rodgers’s second and third seasons, Quarterback School consisted of 10 hours in the film room and 3 hours on the practice field a week, an offensive study conducted in “painstaking detail,” Clements said.

Eventually, Rodgers focused less on learning the Packers’ offense and more on clarifying why defenses ran certain coverages, schemes or fronts. Now, when Rodgers drops back to pass, he does not look for his receivers. He looks for defenders, where they are, where they might move, what that means or could mean. Then he throws for receivers headed toward open space."

So you know and I know my point and I said this in my post that I am not saying Cousins is Rogers. What I am saying is the coaches have to determine if Cousins is coachable. I can find positive threads and negative threads and articles about Cousins. Your point seems to be he isn't learning enough. You came on here two days ago and said he is throwing off his back foot but then Cali posts a breakdown of him over striding on throws last week. There were other references that refuted your claims of two days ago. I am not saying this to say you are wrong. I am pointing out that their are differing opinions. Many by football neophytes.

For the 57th time in the past couple of days I will say what I said those other times. SM and Gruden will determine whether he has what it takes to play the game. You don't have that skill and either do. Your posts tend towards the negative when discussing Cousins mine or more positive. We will see what happens. :2cents:

Again show me where Rogers started in his first year. It is a fact that the first line or two that you've provided makes it clear that he did not!!!

Apparently, this board is full of football neophytes, some far less experienced than others. Of course that is the nature of the beast...... on-line sports blogs.

Clearly, you've tapped onto something that very few know, (Gruden and SM will determine whether he has what it takes to play the game) Honestly, I don't believe that sites like this one are designed for that purpose. Maybe we should keep that between us, I really wouldn't want others to get the notion that they are free to post opinions here.

In as much as my posts tending towards the negative, i've got another secret to tell ya, ( hope no one else reads this) Negative and Positive posts are subjected to such interpretations by the reader. For example, what you might deem positive COULD be read as blind homerism, while a negative post COULD be deemed as being too blunt. Conversely, both COULD be seen as truth. I just don't get the whole spewing truisms as a means to offer nothing in line with the subject matter. Granted it is a nice dodge, and people are free to do so, but if anyone actually believes that offering these truisms to me as a substitute for well considered responses, on a site created and designed for that purpose they've got the wrong one!!!
 

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I'm pulling this from a post from an old friend on KFFL, I've ask for the source link. But I believe the figures are accurate and backs up my position all along. It's easy to have a high completion rate when you throw so many short passes. And he has nearly twice as many short passes than those over 10 yards. When he does have open receivers down field he misses them way too often.

After 5 games

Between 0-5 yards : 88/106, 83,01%, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Between 6-10 yards : 15/23, 65,22%, 1 TD, 1 INT
That makes him at 103/129, 79.84%, 5 TDs, 2 INts for 10 yards or less.

Between 11-15 yards : 9/19, 47,37%, 2 INTs
Between 16-20 yards : 10/18, 55,55%, 1 INT
More than 20 yards : 4/18, 22,22%, 1 INT
That makes him at 23/55, 41.82%, 0 TD 4 INTs for 11 yards or more.

Raw numbers don't address what's at issue here. I believe that when others, myself included speak of accuracy, they/I speak of passes that require an out of rhythm effort by the receiver in order to make the catch. That sort of inaccuracy stunts the plays potential for YAC. Interesting stats though!
 

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Just as an aside to a couple of other misleading posts, Kirk Cousins has not started only 5 games, he has in fact either had significant playing time in or started 19 games. (17 starts)
 
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we will just have to see what happens inn his development i see improvement but certainly room to grow

again we are asking K to be more then his talent so far indicates he has
 

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Kind like watching the guy with the 2 point play .... how many threads do you need to make your point.:noidea:
 

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jy19 the stats are misleading. Our Wr are making some great catches on KC throws. KC ball placement has not been good at all. Our WR always have to make great plays on the ball. I hope it changes.

My take on KC right now is that he just an average QB. Our coach wont let him open it up and take shots down field. Grudens play calling doesn't help either. I told you guys Grudens play calling have been sub par at best. Hopefully he will let KC open it up more b/c I'm not loving our offense right now. Way too predictable. I know Jackson and Reed are not in there but we should be a hell of a lot better in the passing game.

KC's grade right now would be a C+
 

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jy19 the stats are misleading. Our Wr are making some great catches on KC throws. KC ball placement has not been good at all. Our WR always have to make great plays on the ball. I hope it changes.

My take on KC right now is that he just an average QB. Our coach wont let him open it up and take shots down field. Grudens play calling doesn't help either. I told you guys Grudens play calling have been sub par at best. Hopefully he will let KC open it up more b/c I'm not loving our offense right now. Way too predictable. I know Jackson and Reed are not in there but we should be a hell of a lot better in the passing game.

KC's grade right now would be a C+

No more of that nonsense about Jackson and Reed, I've heard enough excuses about Ross not being experienced enough or trustworthy. If the kid is that ignorant, kneel down and draw a straight line in the dirt and say to him "you go that way!" I get Reed to a greater extent, but damn at least try throwing to the TE's while he's out.
 

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I agree with you. Grudens is not opening this offense up. If you notice we only take one deep shot per game. One! Why???
 

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According to Cooley that is the design of the WCA and fans calling for deeper pattern are idiots. Funny how I don't remember the Bengals being this conservative.
 
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