My PotY vote

[TrollyMcTroller]

Unless things change significantly over the next few months, i'm going with Harrell at Louisville. I don't think there are (m)any UofL fans on here, so not sure how many people are watching their games, but that kid is a legitimate force of nature.

Tremendous athlete, great instincts, pretty well polished too. He's even been hitting free throws and outside shots.

 

[jonvi]

I need to start watching some games. cbs had a monster following of cards fans. Here...not so much.

 

[douggie]

Harrell is an absolute beast. There will be some monster games between UVA, Duke, uNC, Miami, Notre Dame, NC State, Syracuse, and Louisville. I cannot see how the winner of the regular season escapes without at least 3 or 4 losses.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Harrell is an absolute beast. There will be some monster games between UVA, Duke, uNC, Miami, Notre Dame, NC State, Syracuse, and Louisville. I cannot see how the winner of the regular season escapes without at least 3 or 4 losses.

WCS. Just wait till he smacks everything Harrell tries to throw up. I see Harrell scoring 11 or so on 4-13 shooting

 

[MI Nightmare]

It's hard to argue against Harrell, atm. He'd probably have closer to 20 PPG and 11 RPG had he got full minutes vs. a few opponents. At 6'8" he's a natural around the hoop. Some big contests on the horizon.

 

[MI Nightmare]

His only attempt that night...but it was good.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

My pick is Delon Wright from Utah. His numbers are just stupid.

16.2 PPG on 59 percent shooting. FIFTY-NINE. He's a guard. Also gets 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals and 1 block a game.

He does it all and does it efficiently. What's crazy is last year his numbers were just as good.

 

[podsox]

he wont win it but jerian grant is an absolute beast. weak schedule to this point but he will get some opportunities to showcase is skillset.


Justin Anderson-Virginia
Dez Wells-Maryland is my pick
Okafor-Duke
Harell-Ville
Pangos-Gonzaga
Wright-Utah
Kaminsky-Wisconsin

 

[dcZONAfan]

he wont win it but jerian grant is an absolute beast. weak schedule to this point but he will get some opportunities to showcase is skillset.


Justin Anderson-Virginia
Dez Wells-Maryland is my pick
Okafor-Duke
Harell-Ville
Pangos-Gonzaga
Wright-Utah
Kaminsky-Wisconsin

Dez wlls for national player of the year? Really?

 

[mr.hockey4242]

he wont win it but jerian grant is an absolute beast. weak schedule to this point but he will get some opportunities to showcase is skillset.


Justin Anderson-Virginia
Dez Wells-Maryland is my pick
Okafor-Duke
Harell-Ville
Pangos-Gonzaga
Wright-Utah
Kaminsky-Wisconsin

Pangos isn't even close right now. Wells is good but not even close either. Anderson is really climbing but if you look at his %, you gotta see those dropping.

Harrell is my pick. Wish the dude could shoot ft's better but he's a beast.

Wright will keep creeping up there for me with his all around play. With Loveridge out this is his chance to really take over and carry the squad.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Pangos isn't a candidate at all. He played against a real defense (AZ) and went 3 for 10 with 8 points. Didn't impress me one bit.

And Dez Wells? Lol.

Harrell, Wright and Kaminsky are the only three I agree with.

 

[dcZONAfan]

Pangos isn't a candidate at all. He played against a real defense (AZ) and went 3 for 10 with 8 points. Didn't impress me one bit.

And Dez Wells? Lol.

Harrell, Wright and Kaminsky are the only three I agree with.

You don't agree with okafor? Really?

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

You don't agree with okafor? Really?

I think he's really good, but I don't think he's on the same level as the other guys mentioned above.

That hasn't stopped ESPN from going on a 4 network crusade to push from him to be PotY.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Freshman should never win POY unless it's a Anthony Davis type.

 

[dcZONAfan]

I think he's really good, but I don't think he's on the same level as the other guys mentioned above.

That hasn't stopped ESPN from going on a 4 network crusade to push from him to be PotY.

I dunno, he's straight up dominating. He's only playing 27 MPG. Other than RPG his numbers are pretty much better than Harrell across the board. I think that alone is reason enough to take him seriously and consider him on that level, personally.

Also he plays on a more balanced and, frankly, much better team. While that can make life easier (less double teams) he also doesn't have as many opportunities. I think that's a reason you will see him average less shot attempts and get less rebounds.

All in all, I think it's hard to leave him out of the conversation 1/3 of the way through the season.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

I'm not saying Okafor should be left out of the conversation. I'm saying he isn't on the same level as Harrell and Kaminski and Wright. He could certainly be in that group at the end of the year, but from what I've seen of him thus far, he isn't. He's really really good. But from what I've seen the other guys (Harrell in particular) are better.

Have you watched UofL play? Have you noticed the ranknigs? Have you noticed the ratings? Louisville is a Top 5 team across the board. I'm not sure where you get that those other teams are much better, and more balanced, but I disagree.

Also:

PLAYER			GP	PPG	FGM	FGA	FG%	FTM	FTA	FT%	3PTM	3PTA	3PT%
Montrezl Harrell	8	16.8	50	78	64.1	31	54	57.4	3	14	21.4

PLAYER			TR	OR	DR	RPG	S	SPG	B	BPG
Montrezl Harrell	77	28	49	9.6	7	0.9	8	1.0

PLAYER			GP	PPG	FGM	FGA	FG%	FTM	FTA	FT%	3PTM	3PTA	3PT%
Jahlil Okafor		8	17.1	62	96	64.6	13	25	52	-	-	-

PLAYER			TR	OR	DR	RPG	S	SPG	B	BPG
Jahlil Okafor		61	28	33	7.6	7	0.9	12	1.5

Better how? More blocks? He plays the 5 and Harrell is a 4. So yeah. Other than that I don't see anything significantly better, but he is taking a ton more shots which sorta blows open your whole "Duke is a more balanced teams" thing.

 

[douggie]

It's very difficult to read the tea leaves at this point into the season. So far here are some comparable statistics:

Jahlil Okafor(Duke) thru 8 games: 17.7 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 64% FG%
Montrezl Harrell (Louisville)thru 9 games: 17 PPG, 10.4 RPG, 62% FG%
Georges Niang (Iowa State): 17.8 PPG, 49% FG%
Stanley Johnson (Arizona) thru 10 games: 14.1 PPG, 50.6% FG%
Frank Kaminsky (Wisconsin)thru 11 games: 16 PPG, 7.6 RPG
Willie Cauley-Stein (Kentucky)thru 11 games: 10.7 PPG, 62% FG%
Aaron Harrison (Kentucky)thru 11 games: 9.2 PPG, 36.8% FG%
Ryan Boatright (Connecticut)thru 7 games: 18.86 PPG, 43% FG%
Dylan Ennis (Villanova)thru 9 games: 12.9 PPG, 51.3 % FG%
Dez Wells (Maryland)thru only 5 games due to injury: 16.2 PPG, 60% shooting from 3pt.
Karl-Anthony Towns (Kentucky)thru 11 games: 8.45 PPG, 6.2 RPG
Kaleb Tarzewski (Arizona)thru 10 games: 8.7 PPG, 6.07 RPG
Justin Anderson (Virginia)thru 9 games: 15.78 PPG, 3.4 RPG
Delon Wright (Utah) thru 9 games: 16.2 PPG, 59.8 % FG%

Factor in who these teams have faced(KenPom rankings) and here are your leaders, etc. so far. It's just way too early to tell. If I had to pick one, Okafor would be my choice. Harrell would be #2, and Kaminsky #3.

 

[MI Nightmare]

Harrell picked up another 17 boards tonight. The kid definitely has Dennis Rodman-like timing, strength and awareness.... with similar hops and better finishing skills. The motor's there but the defense needs to come around.

 

[dcZONAfan]

I'm not saying Okafor should be left out of the conversation. I'm saying he isn't on the same level as Harrell and Kaminski and Wright. He could certainly be in that group at the end of the year, but from what I've seen of him thus far, he isn't. He's really really good. But from what I've seen the other guys (Harrell in particular) are better.

Have you watched UofL play? Have you noticed the ranknigs? Have you noticed the ratings? Louisville is a Top 5 team across the board. I'm not sure where you get that those other teams are much better, and more balanced, but I disagree.

Also:

PLAYER			GP	PPG	FGM	FGA	FG%	FTM	FTA	FT%	3PTM	3PTA	3PT%
Montrezl Harrell	8	16.8	50	78	64.1	31	54	57.4	3	14	21.4

PLAYER			TR	OR	DR	RPG	S	SPG	B	BPG
Montrezl Harrell	77	28	49	9.6	7	0.9	8	1.0

PLAYER			GP	PPG	FGM	FGA	FG%	FTM	FTA	FT%	3PTM	3PTA	3PT%
Jahlil Okafor		8	17.1	62	96	64.6	13	25	52	-	-	-

PLAYER			TR	OR	DR	RPG	S	SPG	B	BPG
Jahlil Okafor		61	28	33	7.6	7	0.9	12	1.5

Better how? More blocks? He plays the 5 and Harrell is a 4. So yeah. Other than that I don't see anything significantly better, but he is taking a ton more shots which sorta blows open your whole "Duke is a more balanced teams" thing.

You are definitely right about the shot attempts, I didn't realize how few shots Harrell has taken. But I have watched Louisville play, and I don't think they are a great team. They have an AA in Harrell, a HOF coach, and that will win them a lot of games (as will a defense that plays that style). But I think Kentucky is going to expose them because their half court offense is atrocious

 

[PPhan]

I'm saying he isn't on the same level as Harrell and Kaminski and Wright.

What kinda nonsense is this? Whether you meant stats wise or skills wise, this is flat out bull.

In fact based on the close Okafor vs Harrell stats you provided, I can't see how you'd say Okafor isn't on the guy's level. And if you didn't mean stats wise, there's no way you can say Okafor isn't on anyone's level based on pure talent.