My Mock 1.0 aug

[Cincyfan78]

It's a mock draft. What you think may happen. Neither August nor his mock draft will have any influence on what the Bengals actually do.

And very few teams, if any, have a "history" of trading up. Very few teams also ever have the tradeable assets that we have. Do I expect us to trade up? No. But if there ever were a year it might happen, it would be this year.

You're right. It's his opinion. And it's our opinion that the Bengals wont' trade up. You trade up to get one player when that player is a final piece of the puzzle, like the Falcons thought would happen when they traded up. Or when you think you can build around that guy for the long-haul/frachise type player.

Just because you have a bunch of picks does not equal having the assets to trade up. You still have to factor in holes that need to be filled by those vacated draft picks. Again, that's just my way of thinking. I would be different if this team didn't have so many needs staring it straight in the face.

 

[augustisback003]

At least those "bland" mocks are realistic.

This was posted today by Todd McShay. If the Skins miss out on RGIII and are unwilling to spend the 6th overall pick on Ryan Tannehill it would be realistic to assume that they would look for a team in the mid teens range that is willing to trade up so they could get additional picks and still be in position to get the player they want, right?

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The AFC North will play a big role in the first round.

That's according to ESPN Insider Todd McShay, who listed the Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals among the five teams who could shake up the opening round of the NFL draft.

The Browns are sitting with the fourth overall pick, which is behind the Indianapolis Colts (who are expected to take Andrew Luck) and two teams who won't be drafting quarterbacks in the top 5 (the St. Louis Rams and Minnesota Vikings). If there are no trades, Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III would fall to the Browns.

The problem is, quarterback-hungry teams like the Washington Redskins, Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks could all leapfrog the Browns by trading with either the Rams or the Vikings. How determined are the Browns to get RG3? Would they trade up to make sure they get the Heisman Trophy winner?

McShay also makes a case for the Bengals, who own two first-round picks, to move up from the 17th overall spot and move down from No. 21. Cincinnati, which needs a starting running back, could package a second-round pick to jump up and get Alabama's Trent Richardson if he falls toward the bottom of the top 10. The Bengals then could dangle the No. 21 pick to teams wanting to move back into the first round for a quarterback like Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill and gain extra picks.

Browns, Bengals could shake up first round - AFC North Blog - ESPN

 

[Servo]

It depends on how much we have to give up and what the O-line looks like after FA. Of course I think Trent Richardson is a beast but if we've still got Livings and McGlynn as our starting guards we're fucked. Classic case of putting the cart before the horse. If the price is right I'd love to have Richardson in tow. After the Falcons deal last year I think it will be pretty steep to move up from 17 to 6

 

[cincygrad]

I think the value of top 10 picks is at an all-time high..... Risk has been significantly reduced because of changes to the rookie salary structure. That's why Atlanta had to pay so much last season and that's why it would take more than McShay is speculating this season.

That's just my opinion though. And I'm an idiot.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I see a lot of could, if and wantings. The Bengals COULD trade AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Geno Atkins, 2 1st round picks and try and get the top pick and COULD take Luck IF the Colts would do that. See how that is done? The Bengals don't trade up. They just don't. And it would take much more than 1 1st, 1 2nd and 1 4th to trade up.

 

[flamingrey]

I see a lot of could, if and wantings. The Bengals COULD trade AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Geno Atkins, 2 1st round picks and try and get the top pick and COULD take Luck IF the Colts would do that. See how that is done? The Bengals don't trade up. They just don't. And it would take much more than 1 1st, 1 2nd and 1 4th to trade up.

Just like you were telling everyone the Bengals just don't draft TE's in the first round as the reason they wouldn't select Gresham.

Oops!

 

[flamingrey]

You're right. It's his opinion. And it's our opinion that the Bengals wont' trade up. You trade up to get one player when that player is a final piece of the puzzle, like the Falcons thought would happen when they traded up. Or when you think you can build around that guy for the long-haul/frachise type player.

Just because you have a bunch of picks does not equal having the assets to trade up. You still have to factor in holes that need to be filled by those vacated draft picks. Again, that's just my way of thinking. I would be different if this team didn't have so many needs staring it straight in the face.

The Bengals have the assets to trade up, but likely won't because of the number of holes they have. But they absolutely have the assets, especially when you consider future picks we also have available.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I see a lot of could, if and wantings. The Bengals COULD trade AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Geno Atkins, 2 1st round picks and try and get the top pick and COULD take Luck IF the Colts would do that. See how that is done? The Bengals don't trade up. They just don't. And it would take much more than 1 1st, 1 2nd and 1 4th to trade up.

I was basing it off Augusts assumption we could move up for an additional 2nd and I was trying to sweeten it with a 4th.

I never stated it was realistic or possible, or we even would, only if that was the scenerio, we could lay down that draft and come away winners in the draft.

 

[vancelot23]

There are a lot of good RBs in this class. No sense in giving up picks we can use to address the holes we have when there are RBs that are very good in late first or secon rd.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

There are a lot of good RBs in this class. No sense in giving up picks we can use to address the holes we have when there are RBs that are very good in late first or secon rd.

Question is.....does a 2nd and or 4th round pick become greater than a potential Adrian Peterson? Now Richardson is probably never gonna be as good as Peterson, but where doe sthe value go on at?

I mean, I would much rather have a future year in and year out pro-bowler at RB than a second and 4th that may or may not be any good with the way we draft some players. Granted, that second could be an Andy Dalton, and that 4th could be a Geno Atkins, but they also have a chance of being a Kenny Irons and Eric Ghiaciuc.

Richardson is almost a guaranteed stud coming into this league. A potential 2nd and 4th may not be. Now granted, I am not saying we could move up for an additional 2nd and 4th, but at what point do you draft quality over quantity regardless of holes?

We have a ton of holes that need fixed, a lot of cap space in this years FA period and multiple draft picks beyond the normal 7, including 2 - 1sts. We still made it to the playoffs, with an injury riddled team, rookies all over the place, and the entire media world against us coming into 2011.

Are we not better off gaining quality over quantity at some point? Is a 10 year stud RB not worth a 2nd and 4th round pick? What about a 2nd and 3rd? Would you not have given 2 1sts for a rookie Corey Dillon? Would you not have given 2 1sts for a rookie Chad Johnson? Would you not have gievn 2 1sts for a rookie Anthony Munoz.

By the way, yes, I think Richardson may be that good as the ones I am asking about above. At what point is too much though? Lots of good backs in this years draft, but none of them are an almost sure bet like Richardson is.

 

[vancelot23]

I'd rather have my picks. Richardson should be good, but RBs generally don't have long careers and are a hit away from out of the league.

 

[vancelot23]

If he's there at 17, I take him in a heartbeat, but if I have to burn extra picks to get him, I'll pass.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/...12-mock-draft-signups-planning-en-sech-2.html if anyone is interested

 

[augustisback003]

I'd rather have my picks. Richardson should be good, but RBs generally don't have long careers and are a hit away from out of the league.

Look, Richardson is that once in a Decade running back, he really is that good! I'm not saying it will happen but like Grey said if we were ever going to move up in the draft this would be the year to do it considering the additional picks we have. But the question is if you had a chance to select an Emmitt Smith type player, a perennial Pro Bowler who helps elevate the players around him, isn't a reasonable trade worth it? And lets not forget Mike Brown does have a history of moving around in the draft for players he likes. He moved back from the 4th overall pick for the 6th (David Klingler) and 28th (Darryl Williams) picks in 1992. He moved up from the 5th to the 1st (Ki-jana Carter) overall pick in 1995. In 2004 he tried unsuccessfully to trade back into the 1st Round for CB Chris Gamble. And again he tried unsuccessfully to trade back into the 1st Round for Andy Dalton. Mike Brown isn't going to overspend for a player but if the opportunity arose I have no doubt he would jump at the opportunity.

 

[vancelot23]

And all of those trades worked out fantastically.

 

[Cincyfan78]

That is fautly thinking. Just because you have extra picks to make a move does not mean you are in position to do so. You have to figure that the Bengals are going to look at filling multiple needs in the draft with those extra picks, and get some good players to fill those needs with the 2 first rounders.

Just because you have extra picks and you "could" trade up to grab a guy to fill a need doesn't mean you are in true position to do so. If the Bengals had no other real needs or holes, then I would agree the Bengals are in position to do so. However, the Bengals have multiple needs across this team, and trading additional picks away to get just one player is not a smart move, as it will leave other positions left empty or filled by lesser tier players than you could have gotten through the overall value of the draft had the picks been kept.

 

[flamingrey]

You're mixing 2 different arguments:

The Bengals absolutely are in a POSITION to do so simply for the fact that they have so many tradeable assets.

What the Bengals do not have is the LUXURY to do so considering the number of holes they have.

Nobody has argued the latter.

Also remember, this is about Brown, not common sense. I'm sure as far as Brown is concerned - considering he's never been big on non-skill positions - we have no holes at the guard positions, and hence the luxury to swap out a few picks to move up.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

And all of those trades worked out fantastically.

That is kind of beside the point.

If we could trade unknown, unknown, unknown for Adrian Peterson, would it be worth it?

Now if you sit here and tell me ahead of time who these unknowns are: Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Geno Atkins...then I would have to say hell no. But the fact you are getting Peterson before even knowing what they are, and then waiting for them to develop...seems like a no brainer.

Mike Brown is not a free agent type of owner, he is cheap...so if we are going to have star players on this team, we have to use the draft to do it in, and if you are in a position to take a potential pro-bowl RB because of extra picks, then you should probably take the chance. The lower the picks go, the more of a crap shoot it becomes.

Let Mike Brown continue to sign roster filler through FA versus the draft.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I consider "position" to be both the ability and the luxury/flexability to move up. Because, really, they have to be one and the same in order to really want to make the moves to do so. If you have the luxury and not the picks, it's a moot point. And visa-versa. So, these two things really have to be one and the same, in my opinion.

Brown has also moved up only 1 time in the draft. Whether or not he's tried other times is rather irrelevant because his "value" system is vastly different than the rest of the real world, as I think we can all agree on this. That may have hampered him from moving up in the past, also, it's all speculation on whether he did or didn't try and move up to grab anyone. Who knows.

I'm not saying that this kid isn't good. I'm just of the mind that the Bengals are in no position (with luxury) to move up in this draft. If we can all pretty much conceed that Brown won't do a whole hell of a lot in F/A, then you know that these picks are going to be what this team uses to fill in the holes.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I would rather use the draft to sign the STARS of this team, since Brown does not like to spend money in FA.

Trade the picks, get the super stars to be, and use the FA period as Mike Brown always does, as ROSTER FILLER since he will not spend big bucks on stars in FA because of the cost.