my issues with the Lions moves.................

[RobBase]

Miami's biggest issue is -- they are going to have to re-sign Vernon and Lamar Miller. With the achilles injury to Wake -- it puts even more emphasis on getting Vernon to re-sign.

Wake was in his last year either way. Miami saves over 8 million cutting him. He was already too old to keep around next year before the injury.

 

[gandydancer]

I think Cliff Avril would give up his left nut to ever again even once be compared to Cameron Wake by anyone anywhere.

Is this part of the ambidextrous shit again?

Avril looked to be a decent situational guy with the Hawks. Started defending the run much better away from wide nine. IMO he is much like Digs. Product of a certain system.

 

[Stomp]

Martin Mayhew says Lions will be “buyers” not “sellers” at trade deadline

My guess is he is looking at bringing in Peyton Manning, Arian Foster, and Andre Johnson. The Fords need to keep letting this guy make moves.

 

[RobBase]

Martin Mayhew says Lions will be “buyers” not “sellers” at trade deadline

My guess is he is looking at bringing in Peyton Manning, Arian Foster, and Andre Johnson. The Fords need to keep letting this guy make moves.

Tom Lewand just backed this up by promising to be a buyer at the trade deadline too. Mostly hard liquor.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

They are.

Cliff Avril career accolades:

• Sports Illustrated All Rookie Team (2008)
• SN NFL All-Rookie Team (2008)

Cameron Wake career accolades:

NFL

• 4× Pro Bowl (2010, 2012, 2013, 2014)
• First-team All-Pro (2012)
• 2× Second-team All-Pro (2010, 2014)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Month (October 2012)
• Ranked #39 in the Top 100 Players of 2015
• Ranked #66 in the Top 100 Players of 2014
• Ranked #89 in the Top 100 Players of 2013
• Ranked #63 in the Top 100 Players of 2011
• Miami Dolphins MVP (2012)
• Don Shula Leadership Award (2014)
• 3× AFC Defensive Player of the Week (Nov 6, 2013, Sep 10, 2014, Oct 18, 2015)

I said Wake was more talented, so not sure what personal accolades have to do with anything. They play the same way. They are the same size. Are you saying Wake isn't an aggressive, speed rusher? Their go to move is even the same. Try to time the snap and beat the tackle to the corner.

And as I said -- neither player are very good against the run, though Wake has taken it to another level the last couple years. It is pretty tough to start on a defensive line for 3 years and have a grand total of 2 run stuffs, but those are Wake's numbers. To Avril's credit -- he seems to have changed a bit in Seattle -- he already has 4 this year as a situational rusher on Seattle.

 

[RobBase]

And as I said -- neither player are very good against the run, though Wake has taken it to another level the last couple years.

Avril has no business being compared to Wake. Never has, and never will be again by anyone else. Just move on and try to forget this one.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Avril has no business being compared to Wake. Never has, and never will be again by anyone else. Just move on and try to forget this one.

I'm curious, if you had to do a write about Wake regarding his pass rush and his rush defense over the last 2 or 3 years -- how would you describe him for each?

IMO, he reminds me of Avril. Obviously a much better version of Avril, but the same type of player (when I say the same type -- it is same when people say Stafford is like Favre in his gunslinger mentality) I think you are taking it too literal.

 

[RobBase]

I'm curious, if you had to do a write about Wake regarding his pass rush and his rush defense over the last 2 or 3 years -- how would you describe him for each?

IMO, he reminds me of Avril. Obviously a much better version of Avril, but the same type of player (when I say the same type -- it is same when people say Stafford is like Favre in his gunslinger mentality) I think you are taking it too literal.

Wake has been considered a top 10 run defending DE almost his entire career. Look at those accolades. Practically unmatched over the same time period.

I get your point. They're both aggressive ends, but Cliff has always been a one trick pony, whereas Wake is a complete DE. How did Avril even get brought up? I forget.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Wake has been considered a top 10 run defending DE almost his entire career. Look at those accolades. Practically unmatched over the same time period.

I get your point. They're both aggressive ends, but Cliff has always been a one trick pony, whereas Wake is a complete DE. How did Avril even get brought up? I forget.

I agree he was considered a top run defending DE for the first couple years, that is why I said, how did you view him in his last 2 or 3 years? I've only watched Miami quite a bit this year, though I watched Wake a few times early in his career. So all I have to go by is his numbers -- in his past 38 games (2013, 2014 and 2015) -- he has two run stuffs total. That is almost impossible to do playing on the defensive line.

His pass rushing hasn't suffered at all, which is why I said he reminded me of Avril. With Detroit -- Avril was great at rushing the QB, but was non-existent in helping out against the run.

I didn't mean Avril and Wake are the same player. I just meant the same type of player.

 

[broncosmitty]

If either of you rip on my boy Willie Young, I'll have this thread deleted.

First, and final warning.

 

[RobBase]

Michigan.

 

[gandydancer]

If either of you rip on my boy Willie Young, I'll have this thread deleted.

First, and final warning.

At least DK wasn't a one trick pony.

 

[broncosmitty]

At least DK wasn't a one trick pony.

Why is that statement in past tense? futurestinkeye

 

[broncosmitty]

Those were parenthesis.

I'm not smiling.

 

[RobBase]

Wake had 7 sacks in 7 games playing next to Suh. Huge loss. Will be interesting to see how the next guy does.

 

[gandydancer]

Those were parenthesis.

I'm not smiling.

But I am...

 

[gandydancer]

Why is that statement in past tense? futurestinkeye

Lions Stigma will join him soon out on the back 40 soon. Along with another horse called
Washeduphasbeen.