my draft grades

[deanpet21]

I thought so at first as well. Then I thought about it for a while. Even before day 2 started, SM stated he thought there was great value in the middle rounds on the DL. It really sounds to me like he didn't see much difference in Ioannisis and Reed and Robinson, who really didn't produce in Alabama.

Right, just like SM had a higher grade on Ioannisis than Billings.

 

[Sharkinva]

Doesn't matter Shark. You said you were on board with the Doctson pick. So you cant get mad at this draft b/c there was no dl there at #53 except for Bullard. Cravens offers more than Bullard so we went Cravens. Simple as that.

Dont get it twisted. I said the Doctson pick was good for what we got. But I also think we went WR in the first round because there really was no depth at the position in this draft. Cravens only offers more if he turns out to be our starting Safety.

As a dime LB who gets 15 to 20 snaps a game... IM not so sure he does offer more.

 

[deanpet21]

Dont get it twisted. I said the Doctson pick was good for what we got. But I also think we went WR in the first round because there really was no depth at the position in this draft. Cravens only offers more if he turns out to be our starting Safety.

As a dime LB who gets 15 to 20 snaps a game... IM not so sure he does offer more.

No depth at WR? The dolphins gave the Vikings there 3rd and 4th round picks in 2017 for Caroo who was a 3rd round pick. So yes there was depth at Wr in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Boyd and Miller were there if we passed on Cravens and went DL first round. Cravens offers more b/c he can play two positions. If we drafted Bullard he would just be a rotational DE.

 

[Sharkinva]

No depth at WR? The dolphins gave the Vikings there 3rd and 4th round picks in 2017 for Caroo who was a 3rd round pick. So yes there was depth at Wr in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Boyd and Miller were there if we passed on Cravens and went DL first round. Cravens offers more b/c he can play two positions. If we drafted Bullard he would just be a rotational DE.

And that has been my point all along. We needed at least one, and likely two starters on the D-line. We came out of the draft with a rotational D-lineman, some guys with versatility, and a WR who should become a starter at some point.

Over all, to me thats a C grade.

 

[gkekoa]

No depth at WR? The dolphins gave the Vikings there 3rd and 4th round picks in 2017 for Caroo who was a 3rd round pick. So yes there was depth at Wr in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Boyd and Miller were there if we passed on Cravens and went DL first round. Cravens offers more b/c he can play two positions. If we drafted Bullard he would just be a rotational DE.

Cleveland thought there was depth. They drafted four of them.

 

[gkekoa]

And that has been my point all along. We needed at least one, and likely two starters on the D-line. We came out of the draft with a rotational D-lineman, some guys with versatility, and a WR who should become a starter at some point.

Over all, to me thats a C grade.

Reed and Robinson are more than rotational linemen? They didn't get to the passer at all.

 

[gkekoa]

Dont get it twisted. I said the Doctson pick was good for what we got. But I also think we went WR in the first round because there really was no depth at the position in this draft. Cravens only offers more if he turns out to be our starting Safety.

As a dime LB who gets 15 to 20 snaps a game... IM not so sure he does offer more.

Cravens will likely play SS too.

 

[deanpet21]

And that has been my point all along. We needed at least one, and likely two starters on the D-line. We came out of the draft with a rotational D-lineman, some guys with versatility, and a WR who should become a starter at some point.

Over all, to me thats a C grade.

I cant believe that you don't think Cravens will make an impact this year. C Grade when we nailed every pick plus got 3 picks next year. lol

 

[Sharkinva]

I cant believe that you don't think Cravens will make an impact this year. C Grade when we nailed every pick plus got 3 picks next year. lol

I know you boys are all basking in the glow of Scot can do no wrong.

We got a WR who should become a starter.

A tweener LB/SS... so lets see how that works out.

A CB coming back off injury that you ALL were willing to pass on the best ILB in the draft because of the same injury.

A rotational D-lineman

A developmental QB

A developmental ILB.. and I did actually like this pick

And a RB coming back off injury.

Sure if ALL of these players work out, then yes he nailed it. BUt we got a project QB, Two players coming back from injury..

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

if we'got 2 dline starters out of this draft thenwe would have a rookie dline that would be bad

 

[ehb5]

NO chance they actually thought they could get the D-lineman in the 2nd round and the guys they liked came off the board and we went with the best player available at that point??

I can fully agree that there wasnt a D-lineman left on the board worthy of the 53rd pick for us, thus we went with Cravens. But one has to wonder if he was actually the plan B when the D-lineman went off the board before we picked.

Is it bad if he was though? I have no problem with SM sitting there and saying hey this is the best option we have, Im taking Cravens.

 

[Sleepy T]

NO chance they actually thought they could get the D-lineman in the 2nd round and the guys they liked came off the board and we went with the best player available at that point??

I can fully agree that there wasnt a D-lineman left on the board worthy of the 53rd pick for us, thus we went with Cravens. But one has to wonder if he was actually the plan B when the D-lineman went off the board before we picked.

Good point. I like the Doctson pick, but I was a little nervous this would happen going into the draft. We pass on DL at 21 and all the good ones are gone by 53. So much for a super deep DL draft. Everyone else made up their mind that they were gonna theirs.

It's also fairly obvious that GMSM weren't nearly as high on some of these DTs than the so called "experts" were.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is it bad if he was though? I have no problem with SM sitting there and saying hey this is the best option we have, Im taking Cravens.

Dude, I have said multiple times... If you totally ignore the fact that we have the worst D-line in the Division ( possible the league) Scot did an excellent job of drafting purely on Talent. And if we had zero needs on the D-line... I would probably be 95% on board with the guys we got. But because we do have the worst D-line in the Division (league?), I do have to take that into account before I go hi-fiving that we crushed it in this draft is all.

Failing to get a starting D-lineman... aside from that it was a pretty good draft.

 

[ehb5]

Dude, I have said multiple times... If you totally ignore the fact that we have the worst D-line in the Division ( possible the league) Scot did an excellent job of drafting purely on Talent. And if we had zero needs on the D-line... I would probably be 95% on board with the guys we got. But because we do have the worst D-line in the Division (league?), I do have to take that into account before I go hi-fiving that we crushed it in this draft is all.

Failing to get a starting D-lineman... aside from that it was a pretty good draft.

Look I agree with you. I think our Dline is bad. I dont think the guys we have are going to be ok outside of Baker. I didnt LOVE this draft because of that. BUT, Im not sure passing on a superior player is the way to solve the problem. If we took a QB in the 2nd round Id be right there with ya. But we took a player that helps us right now and down the road. Does our Dline suck? Yup, but I just dont think we should reach for DLman out of need.

 

[Stymietee]

And that has been my point all along. We needed at least one, and likely two starters on the D-line. We came out of the draft with a rotational D-lineman, some guys with versatility, and a WR who should become a starter at some point.

Over all, to me thats a C grade.

Couldn't agree more, my original grade was a solid C, the additional picks next year convinced me to add the plus.

 

[Sharkinva]

Look I agree with you. I think our Dline is bad. I dont think the guys we have are going to be ok outside of Baker. I didnt LOVE this draft because of that. BUT, Im not sure passing on a superior player is the way to solve the problem. If we took a QB in the 2nd round Id be right there with ya. But we took a player that helps us right now and down the road. Does our Dline suck? Yup, but I just dont think we should reach for DLman out of need.

Agreed.. .BUt to be honest like I said before.. I think they gambled that one of the starting caliber D-lineman would be there for us in the second round.

When that didnt happen, we went to plan B. In a bubble, I like the Doctson pick. But I also would wager that had we taken Robinson, Reed or one of the other starting caliber D-lineman at 21, and the rest of the draft went exactly the same... we would still have been considered to have a good draft.

 

[ehb5]

Agreed.. .BUt to be honest like I said before.. I think they gambled that one of the starting caliber D-lineman would be there for us in the second round.

When that didnt happen, we went to plan B. In a bubble, I like the Doctson pick. But I also would wager that had we taken Robinson, Reed or one of the other starting caliber D-lineman at 21, and the rest of the draft went exactly the same... we would still have been considered to have a good draft.

Maybe. And I agree, that it would still have been a good draft if we had gone DL at 21. But, I personally think Doctson was the BPA and I think SM thought so too. That said - yea, Im a little uneasy about the DL for this year.

 

[Stymietee]

I know you boys are all basking in the glow of Scot can do no wrong.

We got a WR who should become a starter.

A tweener LB/SS... so lets see how that works out.

A CB coming back off injury that you ALL were willing to pass on the best ILB in the draft because of the same injury.

A rotational D-lineman

A developmental QB

A developmental ILB.. and I did actually like this pick

And a RB coming back off injury.

Sure if ALL of these players work out, then yes he nailed it. BUt we got a project QB, Two players coming back from injury..

Somebody....anybody, tell me where there is a truthful mischaracterization in this evaluation. Well, maybe the Scot can do no wrong bit, and the lump of flesh calling himself a QB, but otherwise he is spot on.

 

[Stymietee]

Agreed.. .BUt to be honest like I said before.. I think they gambled that one of the starting caliber D-lineman would be there for us in the second round.

When that didnt happen, we went to plan B. In a bubble, I like the Doctson pick. But I also would wager that had we taken Robinson, Reed or one of the other starting caliber D-lineman at 21, and the rest of the draft went exactly the same... we would still have been considered to have a good draft.

Maybe ole' Scot has us all bamboozled and when it was time to make the tough decision, he reached into his pocket, turned to Bruce and said...."Fugit, call it while it's in the air!" ( Of course big assed tails loss).

 

[redskinsfan]

I'm not sure how our d-line will perform this year, but saying we had to draft a d-lineman in the first -- or any -- round is Cerrato-like thinking. If you draft for need and bypass the BPA on your board, guess what? You'll probably still have a need --and a wasted draft pick. Remember 2008 when we "needed" a big WR? Well, we got two of them in Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas. How did that turn out? In doing so, we passed up on people like Jamaal Charles. If we took him, that may have drawn some criticism that we didn't need because we had Clinton Portis. But if we took him as a long range solution, how good and solid would our RB position have been for nine years?

In all, Scot has a well-deserved reputation for how he handles the draft. To be sure, some have been misses. But trusting in him is more than just some Scientological-mantra that blind followers repeat to mask their own insecurities. And the fact that nearly every commentator out there gave him great reviews speaks volumes.