More Disappointing Us or Vikes?

[skinsdad62]

Really? So please tell me without many of those injuries how many more games would the Skins win? Many of those losses were due to awful defense & the defense had very few injuries. For starters even without injuries they don't beat the Saints, Falcons, Eagles (both games) & the 2nd games vs. Giants & Boys. They also likely don't beat the Colts (a loss that occurred while they were relatively healthy).

The only potential losses that could have been wins were vs. Titans (very possible) & possibly Texans but that is debatable. I didn't say that the team would not have performed better - certainly on offense - just that they would not have won a lot more games.

By all means keep buying into the crap that Snyder & Allen sell the fans.

Dude this is all about CDC and KC . This thread doesn’t happen without that controversy .

Anyone with a brain for football and isn’t trying to sell papers knows year one is an ajustment period for both guys . KC did what he normally does , puts up yds and tds , CDC did what he normally does , drives the bus

 

[Center Ice]

to tack on about cousins

very good article
Vikings QB Kirk Cousins Is Officially an $84 Million Bust

Flips quarter to Herschel Walker

 

[Stymietee]

The Redskins are facing a 3-13 season in 2019 with or without Alex Smith

Its a loaded question.

Kirk Cousins >>>> Alex Smith
Vikings have stability at QB for at least the next 3 years. Skins are fucked unless they go 3-13 and can land a top signal caller in the 2020 draft

Alex Smith is an absolutely dreadful qb who drove fans out of their seats and away from their television screens long before the losses started to pile up

All of this might be true except the Cousins bit. While we see the same olé Kirk providing very similar numbers in Minny, I'm not convinced that he's currently being viewed as a point of stability in Viking land as he might have been with the exact same numbers here.

Let's not fool ourselves with the few changes in Minnesota. They had essentially the same team the reached the NFCCG a year ago. Management gambled that the missing pie e was at QB, so they signed their guy with visions of a SB appearance this year. That didn't happen. Now before you all jump at the chance to refute (iincorrectly) any of this, the team underperformed and based upon what they believed that they were getting, so did Kirk. He essentially gave them what he gave us and while that might have been enough here where expectations surround making the playoffs, in Minnesota an NFCCG begats a SB appearance, or at least that was what they paid 84Million guaranteed dollars for. Well, maybe they still get it in one of the following 2 years of his contract, but right now in Minnesota, disappointment is taking a back seat to "bust," " overpaid," and "mediocre." descriptives of Kirk.

 

[Breed]

not to be a jerk but cousins has been in the league what 7 years(i may be wrong there) how is the jury out? 4-25 i think against winning teams? this not a blip.

5-25....not that I'm quibbling. Not to get off track, but Matthew Stafford's w/l record against winning teams is much worse than Cuz's, 5-46 I believe. He doesn't catch the same grief as Cuz does though. I suspect because of that cannon of an arm he has.

a lot of that was with bad redskins teams , teams do that not qbs

1-6 of it was with the Vikes this year. Maybe it will change, but the 5-25 is not an anomaly. Its happened throughout his career and Kirk more than played his part in several of those losses. Shitty coaching, bad situational football awarenes, ST breakdowns and bad defense also played their parts in those games as well, but make no mistake. So did KC.

 

[SteelersPride]

5-25.....not that I'm quibbling.



1-6 of it was with the Vikes this year. Maybe it will change, but the 5-25 is not an anomaly. Its happened throughout his career and Kirk more than played his part in several of those losses. Shitty coaching, bad situational football awarenes, ST breakdowns and bad defense also played their parts in those games as well, but make no mistake. So did KC.

this i agree with, and is what im trying to say, thanks for correcting my stat. 30 games is not a we'll see. We have seen. This is kirk.
Dare i say, if he hadnt got injured RG3 > kirk big tme

 

[Sleepy T]

not to be a jerk but cousins has been in the league what 7 years(i may be wrong there) how is the jury out? 4-25 i think against winning teams? this not a blip.

True, but I think he could still be a Super Bowl QB at some point with a super super talented team around him...he is good, but he isn’t gonna go out there and carry a team. He needs ALOT around him.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC could have had THIS redskins team in the playoffs injuries or not i will take 30 tds , and 4000 grand yards with AD and our defense any day

why ? look at the offense when colt ran it and when CDC ran it ? much smoother and why ? he knows the offense and the wrs , and tes . CDC simply didnt . KC KNOWS our guys and offense . it would be much much smoother and he could at least compete in some of these shootouts

now if i am a redskins fan i would say our season was more disappointing . the trade was to make us better . it didnt , we ended up at the same place with more issues .

the vikes arent our problem

 

[SteelersPride]

True, but I think he could still be a Super Bowl QB at some point with a super super talented team around him...he is good, but he isn’t gonna go out there and carry a team. He needs ALOT around him.

right, i agree. BUt weith 84 million gauranteed you shold be able to help ur tea,

 

[Breed]

this i agree with, and is what im trying to say, thanks for correcting my stat. 30 games is not a we'll see. We have seen. This is kirk.
Dare i say, if he hadnt got injured RG3 > kirk big tme

Griffin had boatloads of physical talent including being damn accurate but his QB acumen was severely lacking. He had absolutely zero pocket awareness and refused to protect himself as a runner. He literally could not or would not slide as a runner and he habitually would dive head-first to end a run or try leaping over defenders. That refusal to protect himself is the biggest reason for his injuiry issues.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Dude this is all about CDC and KC . This thread doesn’t happen without that controversy .

Anyone with a brain for football and isn’t trying to sell papers knows year one is an ajustment period for both guys . KC did what he normally does , puts up yds and tds , CDC did what he normally does , drives the bus

Not denying that perhaps this is true. However this is a symptom of the problem & not the actual problem. The problem is the way this team is run. At worst let's say that trade was a bad one yet the team made good moves overall over say the last 5 years (which they have not for most part). They would still likely be in decent shape & fans would also likely feel that they can correct their problems over the next few years.

The problem is that these issues have existed for the last 20 years & we have little to no hope that they will be corrected over the next 5-10 years. Let me ask you - what hope do you have that this team will be on the correct path say 2-3 years from now?

 

[Mitziman]

Dude this is all about CDC and KC . This thread doesn’t happen without that controversy .

Anyone with a brain for football and isn’t trying to sell papers knows year one is an ajustment period for both guys . KC did what he normally does , puts up yds and tds , CDC did what he normally does , drives the bus

didn't case keenum only play one season in minny?

 

[skinsdad62]

didn't case keenum only play one season in minny?

He most certainly did , but pointing to the exception to rules doesn’t get it done

Some of CDC ‘s poor play has to do with not being here long

 

[R.J. MacReady]

The skins lose 2 QB's with broken legs in what ..3 weeks?
That goes beyond having 2 QB's out ...it's demoralizing.

If you can't give a team a pass for tanking after that, than you never will.

 

[skinsdad62]

The skins lose 2 QB's with broken legs in what ..3 weeks?
That goes beyond having 2 QB's out ...it's demoralizing.

If you can't give a team a pass for tanking after that, than you never will.

The team didn’t tank , they tried hard to win except with Philly at the end

The resources we gave up for CDC bit us on the ass

 

[R.J. MacReady]

The team didn’t tank , they tried hard to win except with Philly at the end

The resources we gave up for CDC bit us on the ass

For the record, I was not implying they lost on purpose or gave up.



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[skinsdad62]

For the record, I was not implying they lost on purpose or gave up.



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Ok cool just misunderstood .

 

[skinz2winz]

So am I out of line if I say that if Alex doesn't go down, we are playing the Seahawks Saturday night? At the minimum, a road game in Chicago on Sunday?

No you are not.

 

[skinz2winz]

He most certainly did , but pointing to the exception to rules doesn’t get it done

Some of CDC ‘s poor play has to do with not being here long

As shitty as CDC was, 6-3 before going down. Drive that damn bus I say.

 

[kbso83432]

So Kirk would have had this team in the playoffs even with all the injuries, but couldn't get a healthy Vikings team into the playoffs, even with a home win and your in game.

However, Alex won 6 of 9 but everyone is convinced he most certainly would have lost 6 of the last 7.

If you say so, it must be true.

 

[skinsdad62]

As shitty as CDC was, 6-3 before going down. Drive that damn bus I say.

Those teams were losing teams dude . I think 1 had. A winning record .