More damning info about Kelly.

[SixthStreet]

I cannot comprehend that some here think soft skills and people management skills are not a critical component of being a NFL HC. You have to know the football as well, but when your livelihood is based on getting 53 guys to subject themselves to unthinkable abuse to their bodies, relating to players and making them feel important and taken care of is vital.

Good leaders in all industries in life understand that. There are many studies that show emotional intelligence is the single greatest marker for professional success, especially as a manager. And make no doubt about it, an NFL HC IS a manager. Kelly's savant-like football knowledge couldn't save him here. He clearly is one of the greatest football minds on the planet, but he's so arrogant that he thinks that's all there is to it.

Kelly is so driven that I'm sure he is taking inventory of why he failed with the Eagles. If he understands his failures and takes steps to remedy it in his next job, he could become a HOF coach (much like Belichick did). I'm betting on personality defect and he will fail even worse and faster at his next NFL job, if he gets one.

 

[northeastphillyguy]

I cannot comprehend that some here think soft skills and people management skills are not a critical component of being a NFL HC. You have to know the football as well, but when your livelihood is based on getting 53 guys to subject themselves to unthinkable abuse to their bodies, relating to players and making them feel important and taken care of is vital.

Good leaders in all industries in life understand that. There are many studies that show emotional intelligence is the single greatest marker for professional success, especially as a manager. And make no doubt about it, an NFL HC IS a manager. Kelly's savant-like football knowledge couldn't save him here. He clearly is one of the greatest football minds on the planet, but he's so arrogant that he thinks that's all there is to it.

Kelly is so driven that I'm sure he is taking inventory of why he failed with the Eagles. If he understands his failures and takes steps to remedy it in his next job, he could become a HOF coach (much like Belichick did). I'm betting on personality defect and he will fail even worse and faster at his next NFL job, if he gets one.

In baseball they call them managers. A team must have some cohesiveness in order to succeed.

 

[deerpathdave]

Gruden isn't blackballed you dope! He makes at least twice as much in the booth (he's the 2nd highest employee at ESPN iirc) as he would coaching--and he runs his FCA in his free time. He won't be back until coaching money catches up with TV money and/or he just has a major hankering to coach, money be damned. Those are facts. I'm sure you will duely ignore them.

Again your simply wrong. Gruden is the highest paid ESPN employee at $6.5M, but there are 7 NFL coaches that outearned him last year. And you can bet that in 2009 when Gruden started there that he wasn't making half that kind of money. Coaching money is greater than broadcasting money.

As far as blackballed, obviously that can never be proven, but his tenure at Tampa ended very much like Kelly's did in Philly....good coaching record, but lots of stories about his interpersonal skills being an issue. Believe me, if Gruden had gotten another NFL offer he would have been all over it, but he never has.

 

[deerpathdave]

I cannot comprehend that some here think soft skills and people management skills are not a critical component of being a NFL HC. You have to know the football as well, but when your livelihood is based on getting 53 guys to subject themselves to unthinkable abuse to their bodies, relating to players and making them feel important and taken care of is vital.

Good leaders in all industries in life understand that. There are many studies that show emotional intelligence is the single greatest marker for professional success, especially as a manager. And make no doubt about it, an NFL HC IS a manager. Kelly's savant-like football knowledge couldn't save him here. He clearly is one of the greatest football minds on the planet, but he's so arrogant that he thinks that's all there is to it.

Kelly is so driven that I'm sure he is taking inventory of why he failed with the Eagles. If he understands his failures and takes steps to remedy it in his next job, he could become a HOF coach (much like Belichick did). I'm betting on personality defect and he will fail even worse and faster at his next NFL job, if he gets one.

In September after watching him work for over two years, Lurie was extremely complementary of how Kelly related to players. It defies logic that all that suddenly changed in four months. What changed was the Eagles record. The rest is rumor and innuendo.

 

[SixthStreet]

In September after watching him work for over two years, Lurie was extremely complementary of how Kelly related to players. It defies logic that all that suddenly changed in four months. What changed was the Eagles record. The rest is rumor and innuendo.

You CAN operate without emotional intelligence and regard for your staff/team. But if you choose to approach it that way, you better win. You don't, and you won't have your job for long.

From your posts, you clearly think you have a better idea of what Lurie should do than the man himself with the $700 million investment. Talking about rumor and innuendo is what all of this is anyways as we are not Lurie confidants. Picking and choosing which external reports you consider gospel doesn't make your opinion any more worthy than the rest of us.

And to poo-poo 4 months as enough time to change evaluation is simply wrong. That is the balance of the NFL season, or 33% of the games Chip Kelly was coach here. You can obviously allocate some weight to the offseason, but the bulk of the evaluation is weighted to these 4 months that you dismiss as nothing.

 

[northeastphillyguy]

In September after watching him work for over two years, Lurie was extremely complementary of how Kelly related to players. It defies logic that all that suddenly changed in four months. What changed was the Eagles record. The rest is rumor and innuendo.

I will tell what changed. Kelly was placed into a position of power and it went to his head! He abused his position.

 

[L.Freamon]

Ultimately we don't know if Lurie was actually just bamboozled by a charlatan... A Howie Roseman that wanted to be more in charge than Chip wanted him to be, fired Chip's personnel guy, and whispered in Lurie's ear all year. Just saying.

That version doesn't really make Lurie sound any better, you know.

 

[L.Freamon]

Againyour simply wrong. Gruden is the highest paid ESPN employee at $6.5M, but there are 7 NFL coaches that outearned him last year. And you can bet that in 2009 when Gruden started there that he wasn't making half that kind of money. Coaching money is greater than broadcasting money.

Yep, i was wrong (see how that works dpd?). There were 6 coaches that out earned him (again, counting is not your forte). Last i had heard Gruden was in the $8-10 million range. I guess it's only $6.5. Perhaps i heard it would take $8 mil to get him out of the booth? I dunno; i got the numbers wrong. In any event, i don't see how you don't understand why one would take the same money as the top coaches in the league to do a much easier, less stressful job than coaching.

As far as blackballed, obviously that can never be proven, but his tenure at Tampa ended very much like Kelly's did in Philly....good coaching record, but lots of stories about his interpersonal skills being an issue. Believe me, if Gruden had gotten another NFL offer he would have been all over it, but he never has.

As usual, we disagree.

 

[I miss Dawkins]

Nice moment...followed by 11 carries for 15 yards the rest of the game.

Which was how Duce Staley made his career btw.

 

[L.Freamon]

Which was how Duce Staley made his career btw.

 

[eaglesnut]

That version doesn't really make Lurie sound any better, you know.

I know. I don't know if Lurie made this decision for the right reasons or wrong reasons. I just know he made it and that I don't have much faith in him.

 

[iceman42]

In hearing Lurie's quotes some of it sounds like when Chip wanted to do the personnel to pick his people etc it sounded like Lurie was going to give him his length of rope, if he was successful then great, if not then he will have hung himself.

 

[deerpathdave]

Yep, i was wrong (see how that works dpd?). There were 6 coaches that out earned him (again, counting is not your forte). Last i had heard Gruden was in the $8-10 million range. I guess it's only $6.5. Perhaps i heard it would take $8 mil to get him out of the booth? I dunno; i got the numbers wrong. In any event, i don't see how you don't understand why one would take the same money as the top coaches in the league to do a much easier, less stressful job than coaching.


As usual, we disagree.

In addition to the ones in that article, Jeff Fisher was also reported to make $7M. I stand by my count. BTW, Chip Kelly also earned $6.5M as well to equal the Gruden number.

 

[northeastphillyguy]

In hearing Lurie's quotes some of it sounds like when Chip wanted to do the personnel to pick his people etc it sounded like Lurie was going to give him his length of rope, if he was successful then great, if not then he will have hung himself.

Lurie made the right choice!

 

[deerpathdave]

I will tell what changed. Kelly was placed into a position of power and it went to his head! He abused his position.

Maybe....Or perhaps Lurie isn't being particularly truthful here? Other owners will judge the situation with much more information than is publicly available and if they offer Kelly a job we will know what they think.

 

[northeastphillyguy]

Maybe....Or perhaps Lurie isn't being particularly truthful here? Other owners will judge the situation with much more information than is publicly available and if they offer Kelly a job we will know what they think.

They might offer Kelly a job with limitations. No power! He will have to get the job done and work under a GM.
Also the info that is available to the public is enough to make people wary.

 

[deerpathdave]

Also the info that is available to the public is enough to make people wary.

Its altogether possible that Kelly has no issue working under a GM...as long as he is competent. As far as info available to the public, there is enough bs floating around right now, I really don't know what is true. I think it will become clearer when we see what happens next.

 

[skinzfan]

Desean Jackson had CK figured out. Took the owner and some fans 2 years to figure it out.

 

[SixthStreet]

Lol. Look at the mighty 9-7 division winners with Daniel Synder as their owner getting all uppity. LOL.

 

[L.Freamon]

I know. I don't know if Lurie made this decision for the right reasons or wrong reasons. I just know he made it and that I don't have much faith in him.

I totally get that.

But I'm making the choice to have faith in him because...i really have no other choice.