MLB offseason thread

[Stakesarehigh]

The length of the deals is fucking stupid.

 

[molsaniceman]

Jeff Passan of ESPN reports that the Mets have agreed to a 15-year, $765 million contract with free agent outfielder Juan Soto.
Passan adds that there is no deferred money in the contract and there are escalators included that could take the deal over the $800 million threshold. As expected, Soto is now the proud owner of the largest total contract in professional sports history, topping the 10-year, $700 million pact that Shohei Ohtani inked with the Dodgers last winter. Now it’s onto scramble mode for the Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox as they look to pivot to alternatives like Teoscar Hernandez or Anthony Santander. Mets’ owner Steve Cohen has made it clear that he will spend whatever it takes to put a championship product on the field in Queens and he certainly backed up that talk once again on Sunday evening.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

good for the mets... they want to do everything they can to win.... i really have no issue with the mets here...

i do have an issue with Soto, and the rules...

my problem with soto is simple... he went to a team that still needs other things to be favourite to win their divisision vs the Phillies and braves... currently they are not even the favourite to win that division...

and then there is the dodgers... who are of course favourite to win the NL... that is a lot of competition... sure the mets are in the running, but the mets did not give him the best chance to win a WS...

players that are all about the money are also more likely to play less hard after the contract... really is there any reason for him now to care?? 15 years is the rest of his career...

my other issue is with baseball, not that they allow these type of contracts... my problem is that there is no rule in place to insure these teams from these contracts if they fail... i know that is more about individual teams, but baseball itself should make rules about this.... this insurance is not even for the team, its more to force the player to play... and give them reasons to earn their contract...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

i guess deferred contracts like how ohtani did it helps... and i do hope Soto does this too... but being that i think he only cares about the money, i doubt he will...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

good for the mets... they want to do everything they can to win.... i really have no issue with the mets here...

i do have an issue with Soto, and the rules...

my problem with soto is simple... he went to a team that still needs other things to be favourite to win their divisision vs the Phillies and braves... currently they are not even the favourite to win that division...

and then there is the dodgers... who are of course favourite to win the NL... that is a lot of competition... sure the mets are in the running, but the mets did not give him the best chance to win a WS...

players that are all about the money are also more likely to play less hard after the contract... really is there any reason for him now to care?? 15 years is the rest of his career...

my other issue is with baseball, not that they allow these type of contracts... my problem is that there is no rule in place to insure these teams from these contracts if they fail... i know that is more about individual teams, but baseball itself should make rules about this.... this insurance is not even for the team, its more to force the player to play... and give them reasons to earn their contract...

There should be no more than 6 years max for baseball. Every other sport has maxes, this is fucking stupid. Baseball is the most regionalized sport and all it does is shove out half the league who are rightly unwilling to commit nearly a billion dollars to one player.

 

[navamind]

There should be no more than 6 years max for baseball. Every other sport has maxes, this is fucking stupid. Baseball is the most regionalized sport and all it does is shove out half the league who are rightly unwilling to commit nearly a billion dollars to one player.

It puts a lot of pressure on teams to sign these players before they even hit arbitration, and there is the risk these guys flame out.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

There should be no more than 6 years max for baseball. Every other sport has maxes, this is fucking stupid. Baseball is the most regionalized sport and all it does is shove out half the league who are rightly unwilling to commit nearly a billion dollars to one player.

i dont have a problem with the size or length of the contract... i do have a problem that the player has all the power and control in these negotiations... teams have to bend backwards to players....

even Soto's contract, i think has a 5 year opt out... this will mean that in 4 seasons soto will cry about his contract...


the mets bent the knee... and they really only have 5 years where soto will care... and if he struggles in those 5 years, he wont opt out at all, and just cruise... it really is a no lose scenario for Soto, while the mets have everything to lose, and not much to gain...

thats what i like about deffered contracts, they give the team power back...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

i dont have a problem with the size or length of the contract... i do have a problem that the player has all the power and control in these negotiations... teams have to bend backwards to players....

even Soto's contract, i think has a 5 year opt out... this will mean that in 4 seasons soto will cry about his contract...


the mets bent the knee... and they really only have 5 years where soto will care... and if he struggles in those 5 years, he wont opt out at all, and just cruise... it really is a no lose scenario for Soto, while the mets have everything to lose, and not much to gain...

thats what i like about deffered contracts, they give the team power back...

Deferred contracts just further consolidate power to the top 5 to 7 teams.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Deferred contracts just further consolidate power to the top 5 to 7 teams.

well ohtani's deferred contract is a joke... there should be a rule about that too.... where you can only defer up to a certain percentage of your annual salary...

but i disagree, deferred contracts allow more teams to win because of inflation.... player's salaries are always going to increase... if you pay that salary for a length of time, the salary is going to be felt less per year...

problem is 2 fold, players have to be willing to defer their contract, and smaller market teams need to be willing to make this an option... but yes, if it does become more of a thing, players are just going to get more money because the backend of a deferred contract is significantly more economical for teams...

 

[socaljim242]

good for the mets... they want to do everything they can to win.... i really have no issue with the mets here...

i do have an issue with Soto, and the rules...

my problem with soto is simple... he went to a team that still needs other things to be favourite to win their divisision vs the Phillies and braves... currently they are not even the favourite to win that division...

and then there is the dodgers... who are of course favourite to win the NL... that is a lot of competition... sure the mets are in the running, but the mets did not give him the best chance to win a WS...

players that are all about the money are also more likely to play less hard after the contract... really is there any reason for him now to care?? 15 years is the rest of his career...

my other issue is with baseball, not that they allow these type of contracts... my problem is that there is no rule in place to insure these teams from these contracts if they fail... i know that is more about individual teams, but baseball itself should make rules about this.... this insurance is not even for the team, its more to force the player to play... and give them reasons to earn their contract...

Thats the main reason I'm glad the Dodgers didn't get Soto. He's all about the money and I don't trust him to be all about the team. As a Dodgers fan we've seen Mookie play where ever they wanted him to play , we've seen Freddie play almost every game and we've seen Muncie and Kike and now Edmond play where ever was needed and bat anywhere in the lineup and no complaints. I feel like Soto is all about Soto and I have yet to hear that he's a great leader in the clubhouse. I don't hear he's a bad teammate either so there's that. He's the baseball version of Carmello Anthony.

 

[socaljim242]

well ohtani's deferred contract is a joke... there should be a rule about that too.... where you can only defer up to a certain percentage of your annual salary...

but i disagree, deferred contracts allow more teams to win because of inflation.... player's salaries are always going to increase... if you pay that salary for a length of time, the salary is going to be felt less per year...

problem is 2 fold, players have to be willing to defer their contract, and smaller market teams need to be willing to make this an option... but yes, if it does become more of a thing, players are just going to get more money because the backend of a deferred contract is significantly more economical for teams...

You touched on the answer. First, a player has to be OK with it, and second, there's nothing stopping a team from doing it. It's something a player who really wants to be on that particular team would do, and he wants to help make it easier to get other good players to go there.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Thats the main reason I'm glad the Dodgers didn't get Soto. He's all about the money and I don't trust him to be all about the team. As a Dodgers fan we've seen Mookie play where ever they wanted him to play , we've seen Freddie play almost every game and we've seen Muncie and Kike and now Edmond play where ever was needed and bat anywhere in the lineup and no complaints. I feel like Soto is all about Soto and I have yet to hear that he's a great leader in the clubhouse. I don't hear he's a bad teammate either so there's that. He's the baseball version of Carmello Anthony.

i really did not think i would feel so sour on him so fast... yankee fan, wanted him to go to the yankees... upset he didnt... but to me this is like how Lebron went to the Heat, how he made it all about him and not the team, and made everyone else feel screwed over...

of course it is not like Lebron, i am just saying that to me it feels similar...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

You touched on the answer. First, a player has to be OK with it, and second, there's nothing stopping a team from doing it. It's something a player who really wants to be on that particular team would do, and he wants to help make it easier to get other good players to go there.

yea, and only a certain type of player could really do it... the ones that get advertisement...

but again, the way ohtani is doing it is a joke, he doesnt need any of the money, he will still be the highest paid baseball player annually because of advertisements...

but teams should give all players the option to cut their salary in half and be paid the leftovers at a different rate in time....

 

[socaljim242]

yea, and only a certain type of player could really do it... the ones that get advertisement...

but again, the way ohtani is doing it is a joke, he doesnt need any of the money, he will still be the highest paid baseball player annually because of advertisements...

but teams should give all players the option to cut their salary in half and be paid the leftovers at a different rate in time....

A week ago the headlines were " The Dodgers are the new evil empire , buying all the players". The Mets just payed the most ever for a player. Ohtani is a unicorn. You can't go by his contract. Snell differed some of his contract because he really wanted to be a Dodger and he wants the team to get or keep good players. It's not the Dodgers fault if they are playing by the rules.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

A week ago the headlines were " The Dodgers are the new evil empire , buying all the players". The Mets just payed the most ever for a player. Ohtani is a unicorn. You can't go by his contract. Snell differed some of his contract because he really wanted to be a Dodger and he wants the team to get or keep good players. It's not the Dodgers fault if they are playing by the rules.

no what i mean is how he is deferring basically his entire contract... there should be a minimum of a contract to pay a player per year...

I love the idea of deferring... but we have to be reasonable...

 

[calsnowskier]

Snell differed some of his contract because he really wanted to be a Dodger

 

[dtgold88]

The length of the deals is fucking stupid.

Still young but over-under of 5.5 years before regretting the deal. Which way would you go?

Edit - saw he can opt out after 5 which means if he lives up to the deal he will demand more to stay and if he doesn't he will just be overpaid for a decade.

Cannot stand our owners but no issue with not getting involved in megadeals like this one.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Still young but over-under of 5.5 years before regretting the deal. Which way would you go?

Edit - saw he can opt out after 5 which means if he lives up to the deal he will demand more to stay and if he doesn't he will just be overpaid for a decade.

Cannot stand our owners but no issue with not getting involved in megadeals like this one.

Baseball is its own worst enemy

No one needs cliche bs, just make it competitive

 

[dtgold88]

Baseball is its own worst enemy

No one needs cliche bs, just make it competitive

Yep......and I don't even mind my team wont touch what NY, LA, etc. spend but can we have a floor and if not can my team at least spend league average in a contending window? If not, why own a team.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yep......and I don't even mind my team wont touch what NY, LA, etc. spend but can we have a floor and if not can my team at least spend league average in a contending window? If not, why own a team.

A floor for sure