Mississippi State Football is a joke

[ericd7633]

I don't think Tennessee has been a better program for the entire last 6 years, but they're undoubtedly a better program right now. They're one very good example of a team that is passing Miss St. by even though they've been behind them record-wise for most of the last 6 years.

The burden of proof isn't on me. You're the one that came out and said 1 ranked win was wrong, so the burden of proof is on you. That's how it works, very simple stuff here. How do you not know that?

Well, that's kind of been my point the whole time with the 6 years thing.

And yes it is, you're wrong just won't admit it.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Mullen is still the 5th most winningest in school history, and the 5 above him are all from the early 1900's and as late as the 1940's. I have said many times I think he is overrated but it's still great what he has done at Miss St. They were awful before him and for a long time and he made them competitive. Dak had a lot to do with it but now we will see what he will do without him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

No they don't. If they were #2 when they faced them but then fell apart and ended the season unranked, Miss St. would not get credit for beating a ranked team. The only thing that matters is what they're ranked at the end of the year.

True, that's the year they lost to Bama like 55-44, no defense all offense lol.

 

[Across The Field]

Well, that's kind of been my point the whole time with the 6 years thing.

And yes it is, you're wrong just won't admit it.

You know the easiest way to show someone they're wrong?

Spoiler

Prove it.

 

[Across The Field]

True, that's the year they lost to Bama like 55-44, no defense all offense lol.

Haha yeah that was ridiculous, was surprised to see that outcome. Auburn also had a hell of a bowl game with Wisconsin, I remember watching that in eager anticipation of the OSU/Alabama game. That was a great day for B1G football in general.

 

[Across The Field]

Mullen is still the 5th most winningest in school history, and the 5 above him are all from the early 1900's and as late as the 1940's. I have said many times I think he is overrated but it's still great what he has done at Miss St. They were awful before him and for a long time and he made them competitive. Dak had a lot to do with it but now we will see what he will do without him.

Very well put.

 

[ericd7633]

You know the easiest way to show someone they're wrong?

Spoiler

Prove it.

Fine just so you'll shut the fuck up about it.

2009 Ole Miss
2014 Auburn.

You're wrong, like I've been saying. Congrats on looking like a fool this whole time.

 

[Across The Field]

Fine just so you'll shut the fuck up about it.

2009 Ole Miss
2014 Auburn.

You're wrong, like I've been saying. Congrats on looking like a fool this whole time.

LOL, holy shit so it's a whopping TWO RANKED WINS! Wow, I feel like such a fool!

Top 30 programs have more than TWO ranked wins in a 7 year window. It's also bullshit that for the sake of your argument you're only including 6 years, however to get to that magical 2nd ranked win, you go back 7 (even though Mullens shouldn't be responsible for that year in your eyes when it fits your argument).

What a dumb argument. Miss St. isn't a top 30 program, and they have a long ways to go before they'd be considered one. Being ranked in top 30 a few times over a 6 year period isn't enough to completely cement your program. As I've said time and time again, when they actually start beating teams worth a damn, then they can be considered top 30. Not until then.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

In the words of the late Denny Green because "you play to win the game"

That was Herman Edwards.

 

[4down20]

Because anyone can do what Miss St has done. Mullen has improved them, but they're not a top 30 program just because he consistently beats Kentucky and barely faces Florida/Georgia, hardly ever beats any good teams in the SECW, and has been gifted with one of the most pathetic OOC slates any P5 team has played in his tenure as a head coach.

So they should move to the Big10 west, beat everyone and go to BCS bowls instead?

 

[Across The Field]

So they should move to the Big10 west, beat everyone and go to BCS bowls instead?

They wouldn't even need to leave the SEC, just put them in the East.

 

[DHoey]

They wouldn't even need to leave the SEC, just put them in the East.

Awburn has proven that

 

[TexasExes98]

You haven't at all. It's been several posts now, so just post the actual number. Pretty simple and it'll keep you from looking like such a dumbass already. You can't call someone out for being a dumbass and then refuse to prove them wrong. All that does, as I mentioned, is make you look like a dumbass.

The B1G had literally the most ranked teams last year, yet you called them the 4th best conference. Can't have it both ways. Either rankings mean a lot or they don't.

I can make this simpler for you to understand. Miss St. plays in the SEC, which automatically gives them the benefit of the doubt among the pollsters. They don't have to beat anyone good (which, they don't), they just have to beat the 7-9 shit teams on their schedule every year and occasionally beat a decent team, and they'll get ranked. This has been their formula under Mullens. You put Northwestern in their position, and you'd be singing Northwestern's praises. They've accomplished nothing at all except for beating shitty teams. That doesn't make you a top 30 program, that makes you the beneficiary of a complete bullshit schedule and the position of sacrificial lamb to some of the top programs in the country. That's Miss St. You're being fooled into thinking they're some great team, when everyone else in this thread sees them for what they are - a paper tiger. If you can't understand that, that's on you. As I said, when they actually beat some good, ranked teams, you let me know.

Best explanation so far regarding MSU. Put MSU in another conference, and they aren't overrated and overranked.

 

[TexasExes98]

So they should move to the Big10 west, beat everyone and go to BCS bowls instead?

Like somebody mentioned before, no need to haul MSU all the way to the B1G West when they could move to the 2nd shittiest division in all of CFB (SEC East).

 

[theboardref]

You know it is the offseason when a thread like this turns into a 5 pager.

 

[ericd7633]

LOL, holy shit so it's a whopping TWO RANKED WINS! Wow, I feel like such a fool!

Top 30 programs have more than TWO ranked wins in a 7 year window. It's also bullshit that for the sake of your argument you're only including 6 years, however to get to that magical 2nd ranked win, you go back 7 (even though Mullens shouldn't be responsible for that year in your eyes when it fits your argument).

What a dumb argument. Miss St. isn't a top 30 program, and they have a long ways to go before they'd be considered one. Being ranked in top 30 a few times over a 6 year period isn't enough to completely cement your program. As I've said time and time again, when they actually start beating teams worth a damn, then they can be considered top 30. Not until then.

Last 6 years:

Massey Composite Average Ranking - 26.16
Sagarin Average Rank - 24.3
Anderson & Hester Average Rank - 28.6
Colley Matrix Average Rank - 29.3

Also in those 6 years 25 of Mississippi State's losses have been to teams that have finished in the top 20. So they are losing to good teams, they just happen to play them all the time. Also, I'm sure you have no problem calling Wisconsin a top 25 program the last 6 years(and for the record neither would I), but they only have 4 wins over ranked teams, and only 1 win over a top 20 team.

 

[Across The Field]

Last 6 years:

Massey Composite Average Ranking - 26.16
Sagarin Average Rank - 24.3
Anderson & Hester Average Rank - 28.6
Colley Matrix Average Rank - 29.3

Also in those 6 years 25 of Mississippi State's losses have been to teams that have finished in the top 20. So they are losing to good teams, they just happen to play them all the time. Also, I'm sure you have no problem calling Wisconsin a top 25 program the last 6 years(and for the record neither would I), but they only have 4 wins over ranked teams, and only 1 win over a top 20 team.

So they're losing to an average of 4.25 ranked teams a year over 6 years and beating an average of .16 ranked teams a season over the last 6 years. Again, how does this make them a top 30 team? I see Wisconsin beating 4 times the amount of ranked teams in that time frame as Miss St. They have a terrible record against teams over .500. The rankings you keep repeatedly giving, I have already explained. They're also irrelevant since you decide they don't count for B1G teams.

Thank you for, yet again, proving how this is not a top 30 program.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You know it is the offseason when a shitty thread like this turns into a 5 pager.

fify lol

 

[ericd7633]

So they're losing to an average of 4.25 ranked teams a year over 6 years and beating an average of .16 ranked teams a season over the last 6 years. Again, how does this make them a top 30 team? I see Wisconsin beating 4 times the amount of ranked teams in that time frame as Miss St. They have a terrible record against teams over .500. The rankings you keep repeatedly giving, I have already explained. They're also irrelevant since you decide they don't count for B1G teams.

Thank you for, yet again, proving how this is not a top 30 program.

My point is you consider Wisconsin a no doubt top 25 program the last 6 years when they only have 3 more wins against top 25 teams and one more win against a top 20 team. My point is beating top 20 teams for even a top 30 program, like Mississippi State has been the past 6 years still isn't easy, because they aren't as good as those teams. And out of those 25 games, 76% of those games are against top 15 teams. They just haven't had much opportunity to beat teams ranked 21-30. They've only lost 3 games to teams that have finished outside the top 20 the last 6 years. That's actually pretty incredible considering they are only a top 30 program.

But, it's pretty clear we won't agree, even though the numbers are on my side, so that's fine.

 

[Across The Field]

My point is you consider Wisconsin a no doubt top 25 program the last 6 years when they only have 3 more wins against top 25 teams and one more win against a top 20 team. My point is beating top 20 teams for even a top 30 program, like Mississippi State has been the past 6 years still isn't easy, because they aren't as good as those teams. And out of those 25 games, 76% of those games are against top 15 teams. They just haven't had much opportunity to beat teams ranked 21-30. They've only lost 3 games to teams that have finished outside the top 20 the last 6 years. That's actually pretty incredible considering they are only a top 30 program.

But, it's pretty clear we won't agree, even though the numbers are on my side, so that's fine.

LOL the numbers aren't on your side. You still have no rebuttal for the fact that they haven't beaten anyone of merit other than #22 Auburn in the last 6 years. That's shitty. But hey, all praise to the amazing job Mullen's doing of beating creampuffs and one top 25 team in the last 6 years while claiming that awesome bowl win over....hmm...