Game Thread: Miami Heat Game Thread for December/January

[Andresrenee]

I have a question for you guys! I am sure that our believe Paolo will get this one right. Who is the only coach in the NBA who could get a line up of Wade, Bosh, Deng Whiteside, and Dragic as well as off the bench players McRoberts, Greene and Winslow and still manage to have their team ranked 27th in offense in the NBA?

Comical. You really can't make this stuff up. To say we are offensively challenged is the biggest understatement of the year!!

 

[Flauge]

The Wade and Bosh criticism after the game was directed at Hassan Whiteside. Especially the free lance comment. The guy is a black hole. If he gets the ball.. he either shoots it or it is a turnover. He has A LOT of turnovers in the paint. Let's not kid ourselves. The free lance comments weren't directed a Dragic. They are calling out Whiteside.

I like Whiteside. He is a walking double double. We need him to develop his entire game. But watch him. Really watch him on offense when he gets the ball. Hassan is averaging .3 assists a game. .3. I understand your center isn't going to rack up assists. But he should be passing the ball enough that it doesn't take 3+ games for him to get 1 assist.

 

[Paolo305613]

I like this part of what you said. I love the way this guy plays and gives effort on a nightly as much as anyone on this board -- But as you said, he needs to develop his entire game - and that is why he is often sat for longer periods than people would want - it is because certain parts of his game that haven't developed are then exposed.

Every night is a chance for him to build on his game - if at some point he shows he may become a liability in some area (FTs late in games) he gets yanked and rightly so. But I have fait that between now and seasons end he will greatly improve in that area.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I like this part of what you said. I love the way this guy plays and gives effort on a nightly as much as anyone on this board -- But as you said, he needs to develop his entire game - and that is why he is often sat for longer periods than people would want - it is because certain parts of his game that haven't developed are then exposed.

Every night is a chance for him to build on his game - if at some point he shows he may become a liability in some area (FTs late in games) he gets yanked and rightly so. But I have fait that between now and seasons end he will greatly improve in that area.

I hope you are right, but I'm really starting to question if he is the right guy for us long term.
I doubt anyone is/was higher on Whiteside then I was all summer, but something about him just doesn't seem right.

There have to be reason(s) he was tossed around like a rag doll before finally looking like a sometimes all-star now.

I guess the next 4-5 months will be what Riley uses to ultimately make his decision on (assuming Whiteside even wants to stay here).

 

[Paolo305613]

I have a question for you guys! I am sure that our believe Paolo will get this one right. Who is the only coach in the NBA who could get a line up of Wade, Bosh, Deng Whiteside, and Dragic as well as off the bench players McRoberts, Greene and Winslow and still manage to have their team ranked 27th in offense in the NBA?

Comical. You really can't make this stuff up. To say we are offensively challenged is the biggest understatement of the year!!

Don't start trying me and getting me started for no reason. I haven't said anything to you. Then everyone gets all up in their butt hurt feelings in here saying that I go on a rant

But to answer your question the reason that mix of players is only ranked 27th in offense is because a lot of those guys have had slow starts in their own right. Dragic has been coming on slow of late, so his lack of contribution has contributed to this low team ranking. Winslow has hit his rookie wall - I know you probably think the guy is a bust at this point because he is struggling for the first time in his career - But, trust me, rookies always hit a bump on the road early on in their career. He will come out of it.

Lets not forget, CB is coming off what was thought to be a potentially life threatening medical situation that kept him out most of the ladder part of the season last year - I said this opening night, the guy looks hungry and rejuvenated. But as someone who has suffered through various medical conditions, I could tell on opening night that all he has gone through has taken its toll on him. He is still trying to put it together.

Dang has been banged up of late - he and CB along with Hassan are the ones who mainly play the hardest for us on a nightly. Give him a few games to get his legs back and he will get it together.

McRob is simply struggling but as we saw a few games ago his biggest issue is thinking too much when he shoots - we saw that when he doesn't think too much he can go on good streaks



Your boy Wade has a lot of uneven games - he scores, which i know you love - but, even though you think thats all there is to basketball - there is actually more - he doesn't do more anymore - he stopped years ago. The guy turns it over too much. Misses clutch FTs - and leads the league and team in complaining and blaming teammates and throwing them under the bus. He is playing frustrated right now which he has never been good at. When he plays even mannered, he does what he is capable of.


So to answer your baseless question - I get it, you like to blame Spo for all the things the go wrong with the Heat - and you probably blame Spo for all the wrong things that go on in the world. I get it. Its the easy way out for you because you would never dare to further analyze the players, the guys on the court - you would never dare to constructively criticize them - especially your boy toy Wade. So, yes, this team is offensively challenged but it is their own doing - and several other factors contribute to it. Even though you think only one guy is to blame

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

The Wade and Bosh criticism after the game was directed at Hassan Whiteside. Especially the free lance comment. The guy is a black hole. If he gets the ball.. he either shoots it or it is a turnover. He has A LOT of turnovers in the paint. Let's not kid ourselves. The free lance comments weren't directed a Dragic. They are calling out Whiteside.

I like Whiteside. He is a walking double double. We need him to develop his entire game. But watch him. Really watch him on offense when he gets the ball. Hassan is averaging .3 assists a game. .3. I understand your center isn't going to rack up assists. But he should be passing the ball enough that it doesn't take 3+ games for him to get 1 assist.

Wade/Bosh should criticize themselves also.
How many times have we seen Bosh with less then 4 points midway through the 2nd qtr?
How many times have we seen Wade play like bad Wade vs attacking Wade and just settle for shit, low % shots early in the shot clock.

Those 2 need to lead be example by keeping us in games early if the others are struggling vs just be a part of the downfall and then bitch afterwards.

 

[Paolo305613]

I hope you are right, but I'm really starting to question if he is the right guy for us long term.
I doubt anyone is/was higher on Whiteside then I was all summer, but something about him just doesn't seem right.

There have to be reason(s) he was tossed around like a rag doll before finally looking like a sometimes all-star now.

I guess the next 4-5 months will be what Riley uses to ultimately make his decision on (assuming Whiteside even wants to stay here).

While I have said he has greatly improved in this area of his game, last game showed it is still a great work in progress - He still has a lot of work to do in the mental aspect of the game. He was also playing frustrated and undisciplined last game, I think that more than any other factor contributed to his struggles.

We have all seen it. When he plays with his head on right, he is a one-man wrecking crew. This period of frustration will pass and he will go on his rampage of the league soon enough.

I don't see why he wouldn't want to be here. The stupid narrative created in here that he won't want to be here in the future because he doesn't get played at certain times in a game or whatever is stupid. This team, under Riles and Spo has always been about sacrifices and putting yourselves aside for the better of the team - if Hassan can't buy into that, surely he will be gone - Otherwise, no reason for him not to stay.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Don't start trying me and getting me started for no reason. I haven't said anything to you. Then everyone gets all up in their butt hurt feelings in here saying that I go on a rant

But to answer your question the reason that mix of players is only ranked 27th in offense is because a lot of those guys have had slow starts in their own right. Dragic has been coming on slow of late, so his lack of contribution has contributed to this low team ranking. Winslow has hit his rookie wall - I know you probably think the guy is a bust at this point because he is struggling for the first time in his career - But, trust me, rookies always hit a bump on the road early on in their career. He will come out of it.

Lets not forget, CB is coming off what was thought to be a potentially life threatening medical situation that kept him out most of the ladder part of the season last year - I said this opening night, the guy looks hungry and rejuvenated. But as someone who has suffered through various medical conditions, I could tell on opening night that all he has gone through has taken its toll on him. He is still trying to put it together.

Dang has been banged up of late - he and CB along with Hassan are the ones who mainly play the hardest for us on a nightly. Give him a few games to get his legs back and he will get it together.

McRob is simply struggling but as we saw a few games ago his biggest issue is thinking too much when he shoots - we saw that when he doesn't think too much he can go on good streaks



Your boy Wade has a lot of uneven games - he scores, which i know you love - but, even though you think thats all there is to basketball - there is actually more - he doesn't do more anymore - he stopped years ago. The guy turns it over too much. Misses clutch FTs - and leads the league and team in complaining and blaming teammates and throwing them under the bus. He is playing frustrated right now which he has never been good at. When he plays even mannered, he does what he is capable of.


So to answer your baseless question - I get it, you like to blame Spo for all the things the go wrong with the Heat - and you probably blame Spo for all the wrong things that go on in the world. I get it. Its the easy way out for you because you would never dare to further analyze the players, the guys on the court - you would never dare to constructively criticize them - especially your boy toy Wade. So, yes, this team is offensively challenged but it is their own doing - and several other factors contribute to it. Even though you think only one guy is to blame

I agree with a large % of this, but at least some portion has to be put on coaching decisions.
Spo coaches like a programmed robot most of the time.
Sometimes you just need to go with whats working, stick with what has worked, or try something different vs just sticking with the same minute/plan/rotation that we all know is coming and exactly when (unless someone gets in foul trouble).

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

While I have said he has greatly improved in this area of his game, last game showed it is still a great work in progress - He still has a lot of work to do in the mental aspect of the game. He was also playing frustrated and undisciplined last game, I think that more than any other factor contributed to his struggles.

We have all seen it. When he plays with his head on right, he is a one-man wrecking crew. This period of frustration will pass and he will go on his rampage of the league soon enough.

I don't see why he wouldn't want to be here. The stupid narrative created in here that he won't want to be here in the future because he doesn't get played at certain times in a game or whatever is stupid. This team, under Riles and Spo has always been about sacrifices and putting yourselves aside for the better of the team - if Hassan can't buy into that, surely he will be gone - Otherwise, no reason for him not to stay.

Me saying he might not want to be here has nothing to do as far as how he has been used, etc..

Maybe he just would rather play in somewhere else for whatever his personal reasons are...who knows?
Maybe he loves it here? Who knows?

It probably will come down to whoever offers the most $$, and if it does and Riley tries to get him to accept less, then who could blame him for leaving?

 

[Paolo305613]

Those 2 need to lead be example by keeping us in games early if the others are struggling vs just be a part of the downfall and then bitch afterwards.

Is it the end of times as we know it? We agree again. Something isn't right. I don't like this. Okay just kidding... maybe.

Thats what I was saying to myself when I heard about these guys going off on the rest of the team - Whatever SHIT they said to the team, because it was nothing but shit at that point - probably will fall on deaf ears - what makes true leaders is how they lead by example - you know what they are capable of doing - but leading by example is the biggest thing. These two weren't leading by example in the best way possible last game.

I hate that they both struggled last game. They will probably be fighting each other again to try to get going and that could hurt our chances even further. Wade especially, he needs to be more willing to differ when things aren't going well for him and just see what happens

 

[Paolo305613]

I agree with a large % of this, but at least some portion has to be put on coaching decisions.
Spo coaches like a programmed robot most of the time.

I think a lot of coaches are the same, in all sports - in fact, some of the best seem to be this way - if their ways have gotten them as far as they've gotten them, I am sure a high unwillingness to change lives within them. And while we are no longer in the big 3 championship era, as I did say many times then, the Heat got away with a lot in those times, as players and as coaches - so some stubbornness remains even though we don't have Queen James anymore to mask those issues.

 

[Paolo305613]

It probably will come down to whoever offers the most $$, and if it does and Riley tries to get him to accept less, then who could blame him for leaving?

I personally have faith that riles will convince him to take less and stay.

In Riles I still trust!

 

[Paolo305613]

ASK IRA: Where does guilt rest with Heat 'freelance'?

 

[Paolo305613]

 

[Paolo305613]

This game is also on ESPN tonight , so my heart felt sympathy to those of you who will have no other choice but to watch the game through those clowns

 

[Paolo305613]

 

[Paolo305613]

ASK IRA: Where does guilt rest with Heat 'freelance'?

 

[Heatles84]

"stupid, idiot" - i think we have all called each other in here some name or another in such occasions - Pretty sure no ill will was intended - at least not on my behalf. We all have one thing in common, we all express ourselves rather aggressively when our team is stinking it up like last night.

Don't be so sensitive.

Go Heat!

Pretty sure we agree on that

No, I've never felt the need to insult bk, Andre, Turnup, or other Heat posters on this forum. Just you. I'm not being sensitive, I'm just tired of your shit. You're a keyboard warrior. Period.

 

[Heatles84]

Don't start trying me and getting me started for no reason. I haven't said anything to you. Then everyone gets all up in their butt hurt feelings in here saying that I go on a rant

But to answer your question the reason that mix of players is only ranked 27th in offense is because a lot of those guys have had slow starts in their own right. Dragic has been coming on slow of late, so his lack of contribution has contributed to this low team ranking. Winslow has hit his rookie wall - I know you probably think the guy is a bust at this point because he is struggling for the first time in his career - But, trust me, rookies always hit a bump on the road early on in their career. He will come out of it.

Lets not forget, CB is coming off what was thought to be a potentially life threatening medical situation that kept him out most of the ladder part of the season last year - I said this opening night, the guy looks hungry and rejuvenated. But as someone who has suffered through various medical conditions, I could tell on opening night that all he has gone through has taken its toll on him. He is still trying to put it together.

Dang has been banged up of late - he and CB along with Hassan are the ones who mainly play the hardest for us on a nightly. Give him a few games to get his legs back and he will get it together.

McRob is simply struggling but as we saw a few games ago his biggest issue is thinking too much when he shoots - we saw that when he doesn't think too much he can go on good streaks



Your boy Wade has a lot of uneven games - he scores, which i know you love - but, even though you think thats all there is to basketball - there is actually more - he doesn't do more anymore - he stopped years ago. The guy turns it over too much. Misses clutch FTs - and leads the league and team in complaining and blaming teammates and throwing them under the bus. He is playing frustrated right now which he has never been good at. When he plays even mannered, he does what he is capable of.


So to answer your baseless question - I get it, you like to blame Spo for all the things the go wrong with the Heat - and you probably blame Spo for all the wrong things that go on in the world. I get it. Its the easy way out for you because you would never dare to further analyze the players, the guys on the court - you would never dare to constructively criticize them - especially your boy toy Wade. So, yes, this team is offensively challenged but it is their own doing - and several other factors contribute to it. Even though you think only one guy is to blame

Don't get sensitive, pumpkin.

 

[Paolo305613]

No, I've never felt the need to insult bk, Andre, Turnup, or other Heat posters on this forum. Just you. I'm not being sensitive, I'm just tired of your shit. You're a keyboard warrior. Period.

Simmer down. Its been a pretty decent day in here thus far.