MBBRL Official Thread

[Reverend Jim]

I must have missed that somehow. Santana, Kuroda, Sabathia and Feldman and Holland. I'm sure Santana has at least 10. CC might have more wins that QS though..............and I do agree with Philabuster that aa combo would be cool but whatever...........I would add Lincy and Weaver to the list but Weaver only has 2 wins and 1 QS and Lincys wins probably weren't QS.................thanks Jim.

You didn't miss it, it must not have posted for some reason. Anyway

Santana: 5 wins - 13 QS
Kuroda: 7 wins - 11 QS
Sabathia: 9 wins - 9 QS
Freeman: 7 wins - 10 QS
Holland: 6 wins - 11 QS
Weaver: 2 wins - 5 QS
Lincecum: 4 wins - 6 QS
Holland & Santana hurt the most for you.

Some of the biggest differentials between wins and quality starts are:
Travis Wood: 5 wins - 16 QS (11 of 16 are 2 runs or less)
Matt Harvey: 7 wins - 14 QS (13 of 14 are 2 runs or less)
James Shields: 3 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less, 2 with 3 runs in 8+innings)
Ervin Santana - see above
Chris Sale: 5 wins - 13 QS (10 of 13 2 runs or less)
Hyun-Jin Ryu: 7 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less)
Clayton Kershaw: 7 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less, 2 with 3 runs in 7+innings)
Kris Medlen: 6 wins - 12 QS

Anyone else want to know the difference between wins & QS for your team?

 

[Reverend Jim]

1000 V-Rubles on Kershaw!


That's right, I like to take a risk!

I did that once, he was @SD....ask me how that turned out Good Luck

 

[TKOSpikes]

as I'm only proficient in points styles.

Not sure why points leagues get no love for baseball... it takes a lot of arguing out of the picture on categories, and accounts for anything and everything the league wants... something to think about.

My money league has:

Pitchers
Wins = 9 points
Losses = -3 points
QS = 4 points
Strikeout = 1 point
Earned Run = -1
Complete Game = 2
Shut Out = 2

For an example, Kershaw's CGSO was worth 35.5 points for the week. As opposed to say, a 6 inn, 3 run, 6 K, Win would equal 19 points.

Hitters
Single = 1
Double = 2
Triple = 3
Home Run = 4
Run Scored = 1
RBI = 1
BB/HBP = .5
Strikeout = -1
GDP = -2 (ground into double play)
SB = 1.5
CS = -1

So a solo HR would be 6 points (4 for the HR, 1 for the R, 1 for the RBI)

Again, this solves a lot of arguments about AVG, OBP, etc... takes everything into play and your doubles hitter is worth more than the slappy singles hitter.

I like points leagues.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

You didn't miss it, it must not have posted for some reason. Anyway

Santana: 5 wins - 13 QS
Kuroda: 7 wins - 11 QS
Sabathia: 9 wins - 9 QS
Freeman: 7 wins - 10 QS
Holland: 6 wins - 11 QS
Weaver: 2 wins - 5 QS
Lincecum: 4 wins - 6 QS
Holland & Santana hurt the most for you.

Some of the biggest differentials between wins and quality starts are:
Travis Wood: 5 wins - 16 QS (11 of 16 are 2 runs or less)
Matt Harvey: 7 wins - 14 QS (13 of 14 are 2 runs or less)
James Shields: 3 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less, 2 with 3 runs in 8+innings)
Ervin Santana - see above
Chris Sale: 5 wins - 13 QS (10 of 13 2 runs or less)
Hyun-Jin Ryu: 7 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less)
Clayton Kershaw: 7 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less, 2 with 3 runs in 7+innings)
Kris Medlen: 6 wins - 12 QS

Anyone else want to know the difference between wins & QS for your team?

Thanks again Jim. Looks like maybe I shouldn't be crying so much with only one of the top 8. Oh, there goes Kuroda's W today..............fuuuuuuuuck. My team was trying to make a valiant comeback.....that just went to shit.

 

[Chef99]

I'm rich! I'm rich!

BWHAHAHAH!!!!

Actually, I would rather have lost and gotten an extra RBI from Pence.

 

[Reverend Jim]

Not sure why points leagues get no love for baseball... it takes a lot of arguing out of the picture on categories, and accounts for anything and everything the league wants... something to think about.
Pitchers
Wins = 9 points
Losses = -3 points
QS = 4 points
I like points leagues.

Now lets say Kershaw pitches 8 innings and only gives up 1 run, but his teams sucks and can't score. On the other side of the field, Cliff Lee goes 7 strong innings but is replaced in the 8th for a RP and the Phillies score that lone run. Now Lee pitched great but the schlub who came in for him in the 8th gets his win.

So before K's and all that are added in, Kershaw has 1 point(+4QS, -3Loss), Lee has 4 points(QS), and Joe Blow the RP gets the win (+9).
I like the point system you laid out on a whole, but scoring for wins & losses is out of whack IMO. At most, I don't see wins being more than 6 and losses -2 (kind of like football with TD & Int)

 

[Chef99]

You didn't miss it, it must not have posted for some reason. Anyway

Santana: 5 wins - 13 QS
Kuroda: 7 wins - 11 QS
Sabathia: 9 wins - 9 QS
Freeman: 7 wins - 10 QS
Holland: 6 wins - 11 QS
Weaver: 2 wins - 5 QS
Lincecum: 4 wins - 6 QS
Holland & Santana hurt the most for you.

Some of the biggest differentials between wins and quality starts are:
Travis Wood: 5 wins - 16 QS (11 of 16 are 2 runs or less)
Matt Harvey: 7 wins - 14 QS (13 of 14 are 2 runs or less)
James Shields: 3 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less, 2 with 3 runs in 8+innings)
Ervin Santana - see above
Chris Sale: 5 wins - 13 QS (10 of 13 2 runs or less)
Hyun-Jin Ryu: 7 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less)
Clayton Kershaw: 7 wins - 14 QS (11 of 14 2 runs or less, 2 with 3 runs in 7+innings)
Kris Medlen: 6 wins - 12 QS

Anyone else want to know the difference between wins & QS for your team?

Rev, if you get the chance, i'd like to know...this is interesting.

 

[Philabuster5]

With the points league example, Kershaw and Lee would have scored plenty for IP, K, etc...
Usually works out. Some extreme examples, of course, but over the course of the season usually rewards performance.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Now lets say Kershaw pitches 8 innings and only gives up 1 run, but his teams sucks and can't score. On the other side of the field, Cliff Lee goes 7 strong innings but is replaced in the 8th for a RP and the Phillies score that lone run. Now Lee pitched great but the schlub who came in for him in the 8th gets his win.

So before K's and all that are added in, Kershaw has 1 point(+4QS, -3Loss), Lee has 4 points(QS), and Joe Blow the RP gets the win (+9).
I like the point system you laid out on a whole, but scoring for wins & losses is out of whack IMO. At most, I don't see wins being more than 6 and losses -2 (kind of like football with TD & Int)

sure, point totals can be agreed upon, they are not set in stone, just my league...

and that example happens, but so does shit... hey, shit happens! seriously though, games like that come and go, but at least when it happens in the points league, you're getting what you can.. in a cat league, it depends on the league being W or QS to make it terrible/great... baseball's a funny game, and points make it easier than cats, IMO.

 

[Reverend Jim]

With the points league example, Kershaw and Lee would have scored plenty for IP, K, etc...
Usually works out. Some extreme examples, of course, but over the course of the season usually rewards performance.

His league does not give points for innings pitched, but yes he would have gotten points for the other scoring categories.

sure, point totals can be agreed upon, they are not set in stone, just my league...

and that example happens, but so does shit... hey, shit happens! seriously though, games like that come and go, but at least when it happens in the points league, you're getting what you can.. in a cat league, it depends on the league being W or QS to make it terrible/great... baseball's a funny game, and points make it easier than cats, IMO.

Yea you're right, shit happens and this was an extreme example. If I were you though, I would bring up lowering the points for wins and losses. Ervin Santana has 5 wins but 13 quality starts. Considering how deep your rosters are, I'm sure there are a good number of middle relief pitchers rostered.
8 relief pitchers in KC got 9 points for an innings (or less ) of work. Now I'm not saying relief pitchers shouldn't get points for that win, but getting 9 is a little much.

Same thing with losses. A relief pitcher comes in and gives up 2 runs (a common occurrence). He should lose points for a loss but -3 is a notch to high (at least in my opinion)

Elite starting pitching seems more valuable in your league and I think lowering the win/loss totals would even the playing field between hitters and pitchers.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Actually, having those elite pitchers being gold is what evens it out. Believe me, we've been down many paths. Having elite pitchers (about 450-550 points a year) worth that much makes them equal to the hitters in value for trading and such. If we lowered the pitchers point totals, there would be no reason to go after any arms early in a draft, and the lower tier of starters would be nearly useless. And trading for hitters would be (was) much harder.

During the week, a really good hitting week will be in the 20's-30's in points (40+ would be considered crazy good).

In a 2-start pitcher week, he can unload 50+ (I believe Johan Santana had 71 last year), but normal 1-start pitchers you're hoping for 20ish...but they can also get you squat. The squats come more than not, so rewarding for wins makes up the difference.

 

[TKOSpikes]

and my bad... my league gets .5 for every inning pitched. (.17 1 out, up to .33 for 2 outs and the third out makes it .5)

 

[TKOSpikes]

and the relief win is only 6 points... also, our RP situation is no starters allowed, and only allowed carrying two (usually closers) -- Rosenthal is the only non-closer starting right now), so they would also take a hit if they blew the save to get the win. (BS = -3 .. oh yeah, and saves are 6.)

 

[Reverend Jim]

Welcome to the weekly Re-Crap for week 14. Each week I will recap the week’s matchups and update the currentstandings for the masses.

Not much more to say so let’s get to it.

Sarnia Tigers 8 – WHIP outyour FIP 2 (predicted score: SarniaTigers 5 – WHIP out your FIP 4)

Series Score: Sarnia Tigers12 – WHIP out your FIP 7

Gallardo, Stults,Darvish & Correia phoned in their results and took the week off. I don’t think it would have mattered much asSarnia dominated the pitching categories and won a record 9 games thisweek. FIP did have one saving grace inthis one as they took the saves category with ease. As for hitting, FIP came out strong takingbatting average by over 40 points. Onthe negative side, every ball Sarnia hit did damage allowing the tigers to takethe remaining 4 hitting categories and deliver a crushing defeat.

Soggy Bottom Boyz 6 – The GrandSalami 4 (predicted Score: The Grand Salami 6 – Soggy Bottom Boyz 4)

Series Score: Soggy BottomBoyz 13 – The Grand Salami 7

Right scores, wrongteams. Harvey & Leake proved to behuman this week, and Cain was more like sub-human. The Boyz pitching staff was on a roll andtook 4 of the 5 pitching categories. While the Salami’s starters were less than impressive, their bullpen wasstrong as they put up saves that could have beat most teams combined. The Salami’s did well hitting this week. They hit for a good average and stole a lotof bases, hence they scored a lot of runs. While the Boyz batting average was below the Mendoza line, they madeever hit count. As a result, The BottomBoyz took home runs and a close rbi race.

The Soggy Bottom Boyzhave now swept the first and second place team and look like a force to be reckonedwith.

WolfPack 5 – DUB 5 (predicted Score: WolfPack 6 – DUB 4)

Series Score: DUB 12 –WolfPack 7

The Pack came outswinging this week, and for the first time in a while hit for a respectablebatting average. The Pack took 4 of 5 inhitting, but a good stolen base week by Ellsbury prevented the sweep as DUBtook steals. Pitching wise the pack hadsome extra starts and was able to secure the win column. Unfortunately for the Pack, that’s all theycould take. DUB took era, whip &saves with ease. Strikeouts were closebut in the end, DUB took them to and ended the Packs chance for a victory.

TKOut 5 – D Dude’s Dodgers 5 (predicted score: TKOut 7 – D Dude’s Dodgers2)

Series Score: D Dude’sDodgers 12 – TKOut 8

It was the best oftimes, it was the worst of times. Thismatchup was definitely a tale of two cities. TKO knocked around triple D and secured a sweep of the hittingcategories. Unfortunately for TKO,Triple D’s big guns were throwing heat and his arms were able to secure a sweepof the pitching categories. Strikeoutswere the closest category, but otherwise each point was taken decisively.

YellowFuzzy 6 – The Sportsboys3 (predicted score: YellowFuzzy 6 – TheSportsboys 3)

Series Score: The Sportsboys11 – YellowFuzzy 8

Predicted Score…nailed it. Therewere a number of sweeps this week in hitting or pitching, this matchup was nodifferent. Fuzzy swept the hittingcategories, but they didn’t do it without a fight. They won runs by 4, home runs & RBI’swere separated by 1 and batting average by .06. The only clear category winner was stolen bases. The Sportsboys had a good week on the mound,taking era, whip and a close race in strikeouts. Wins ended in a tie and Fuzzy took the savescategory uncontested.

FudPuckers 5 – Big LeagueChew 4 (predicted Score: FudPuckers 5 –Big League Chew 4)

Series Score: FudPuckers 12 – Big League Chew 4

Predicted Score…nailed it….again. I was almost able to just copy and paste the recap from Dude’s/TKOgame. Fud came into the matchup with theedge in 3 hitting categories, but his hitters weren’t happy to settle forthat. Fud swept the hitting categories,but Big league gave them a run for their money with stolen bases. Pitching was closer. Corbin gave it his best effort to win K’s forFUD, but Big League just edged them. BigLeague also took era, whip & saves giving them 4 wins in pitching. Unfortunately Corbin & Kershaw werenearly perfect on Sunday so the wins column remained tie giving the edge to thePuckers.

So after 14 weeks, thestandings are:

1 Sarnia Tigers 81-52-7

2 The Grand Salami 76-57-7

3 Soggy Bottom Boys 71-56-13

4 WHIP out your FIP 73-59-8

5 Fudpuckers 68-66-6

6 TKOut 68-69-1

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7 YellowFuzzy 64-67-9

8 D Dude’s Dodgers 63-69-8

9 DUB 64-72-4

10 BigLeague Chew 60-73-7

11 TheSportsboys 56-76-8

12 WolfPack 51-79-10

The movers and the shakers:

TheSoggy Bottom Boyz & WHIP out your FIP flip flop between 3rd& 4th.

YellowFuzzy& D Dude’s Dodgers flip flop between 7th & 8th.

 

[Reverend Jim]

and my bad... my league gets .5 for every inning pitched. (.17 1 out, up to .33 for 2 outs and the third out makes it .5)

and the relief win is only 6 points... also, our RP situation is no starters allowed, and only allowed carrying two (usually closers) -- Rosenthal is the only non-closer starting right now), so they would also take a hit if they blew the save to get the win. (BS = -3 .. oh yeah, and saves are 6.)

well that extra scoring changes things a little. I still think it's a bit much, but I'm not in your league with all this staring me in the face so I'll take you word for it that it all works out.

And when I made the comment about knowing your league earlier, I was thinking of Philabuster as he's always talking about his team and league. Got a little mixed up there.

 

[Reverend Jim]

Note on the recap. I had spaces between all the words but for some reason when I pasted it, it combined some things. Guess I should have double checked it after I posted. Happy reading.

 

[Chef99]

Note on the recap. I had spaces between all the words but for some reason when I pasted it, it combined some things. Guess I should have double checked it after I posted. Happy reading.

Good stuff as always Rev, but I don't know about "force to be reckoned with". I'm just happy to be where I am right now.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Nice work Jim. I was hoping to wake up to me catching the strikeouts but Oswalt took care of that early, by leaving in the 2nd.

 

[Chef99]

Not sure why points leagues get no love for baseball... it takes a lot of arguing out of the picture on categories, and accounts for anything and everything the league wants... something to think about.

I like points leagues.

I'm in a points league for the first time this year, and i'm enjoying it, even though I haven't taken the time to really figure everything out.

I do know that Kyle Seager got me 36.5 points last week. I have decided that I like Kyle Seager.

 

[Philabuster5]

Keith Law, yesterday, said Corey Seager (Kyle's little brother) could end up even better than him.
Interesting.
I enjoy following siblings/kids of former players. Of course remembering Prince as a kid on the field with his dad at Old Tigers Stadium is probably my favourite.

Gabriel Guerrero another neat one to follow now. (nephew)
I got the softball genes unfortunately lol