Mangini

[dredinis21]

Being an unsuccessful head coach doesn't mean you're not good at the Xs and Os aspect of the game.

Dick LeBeau was 12-33 as a head coach with the Bengals. But I doubt anyone would question his abilities as a defensive coordinator though.

What he brings to the table is a defensive perspective to the offensive meetings which could bring up some new insights. The more qualified eyes you have looking at film the better imo.

If I'm Harbaugh I'm having Mangini be the opposing teams DC and having him tell the offensive staff how he would attack our offense with the opposing teams defense. If you have a good idea on how a defense is going to attack you than you have a good idea on how to counter it.

I'm not being a smart ass with this comment, but what has Mangini done that makes you believe that he has the defensive chops to be THAT guy. I don't recall a time where anyone touted him as a defensive genius. I remember him being an up and comer on Bellichek's staff but IIRC Bellichek was the suedo-DC on those teams, right?

Don't get me wrong, it can't hurt to have more capable coordinators in the building, but capable is a little ways from defensive mind. Maybe I'm wrong. Probably am as I haven't followed Mangini closely aside from thinking that he was fired and probably wrongfully so from the Jets.

 

[Epic Voidfield]

10 different stories about Mangini being hired as a consultant.

It's like hiring a glorified logistics manager.

 

[MHSL82]

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I'm not being a smart ass with this comment, but what has Mangini done that makes you believe that he has the defensive chops to be THAT guy. I don't recall a time where anyone touted him as a defensive genius. I remember him being an up and comer on Bellichek's staff but IIRC Bellichek was the suedo-DC on those teams, right?

Don't get me wrong, it can't hurt to have more capable coordinators in the building, but capable is a little ways from defensive mind. Maybe I'm wrong. Probably am as I haven't followed Mangini closely aside from thinking that he was fired and probably wrongfully so from the Jets.

Harbaugh, Baalke, and ChrisPozz like the hire; that is good enough for me. It doesn't mean he will be more, but Harbaalke does think long-term and is prepared. ChrisPozz did say he'll wait to see the capacity before really jusginf but he cited it as a good to great hire if someone else handles layer relations.

 

[MHSL82]

Around the NFC West: 49ers' staff unhurt - NFC West Blog

We wondered over the weekend whether Eric Mangini's hiring might threaten any current San Francisco 49ers assistant coaches. We could not have known many of those coaches would actually be threatened within 24 hours -- not by Mangini, but by a falling oak tree at a lawn-bowling club in San Jose, a 12-mile drive from 49ers headquarters.

Holly Rathman, wife of 49ers assistant and former Pro Bowl fullback Tom Rathman, reportedly saw the tree falling and warned others just in time.

"She saved our lives because she saw it before we heard it," Jim Sherman, treasurer of the San Jose Lawn Bowls Club, told San Jose Mercury News reporter Mark Emmons.

Two people unaffiliated with the 49ers were injured when the massive oak fell.

"One half of the tree fell on cars," Emmons wrote. "The other half fell on the bowling green where the party was being attended by 19 members of the Niners coaching staff and their wives."

Head coach Jim Harbaugh was not among those in attendance.

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49ers Blog and Q&A: 49ers to hire Mangini as offensive consultant

 

[BINGO]

It's like hiring a glorified logistics manager.

It's like getting getting a Quality Assurance Specialist from Golman Sachs to work for your not-for-profit agency for free.

 

[CalamityX11]

This is like inviting a dozen kids with no shoes or socks, feet dirty as fuck and no expecting them to ruin your clean white carpet...

Mangini ain't a guy, IMO, that will settle for offering some advice... I think he's going to push for some influence and I don't like it... Roman is doing good and only getting better... no need for the ManFail...

if Roman does get a HC job, I pray ManFail don't get a sniff as a OC....

 

[Badger8843]

You seem to forget JH doesnt mess around or take any shit from NO BODY. So if he gets out of line, Im sure confident he will be dealt with. This was a great hire but the best org in the NFL

 

[Jikkle]

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I'm not being a smart ass with this comment, but what has Mangini done that makes you believe that he has the defensive chops to be THAT guy. I don't recall a time where anyone touted him as a defensive genius. I remember him being an up and comer on Bellichek's staff but IIRC Bellichek was the suedo-DC on those teams, right?

Don't get me wrong, it can't hurt to have more capable coordinators in the building, but capable is a little ways from defensive mind. Maybe I'm wrong. Probably am as I haven't followed Mangini closely aside from thinking that he was fired and probably wrongfully so from the Jets.

He was still part of the coaching staff of when the actually had a good defense.

Also it was the defense Mangini built that Rex Ryan took to those two AFC Championships and heck even the Browns had an okish defense.

I'm not suggesting he's a great head coach or the defensive guru but I do believe he knows does know his stuff when it comes to defense and if his ESPN days are any indication he can effectively break down film.

 

[Bemular]

This is like inviting a dozen kids with no shoes or socks, feet dirty as fuck and no expecting them to ruin your clean white carpet...

Mangini ain't a guy, IMO, that will settle for offering some advice... I think he's going to push for some influence and I don't like it... Roman is doing good and only getting better... no need for the ManFail...

if Roman does get a HC job, I pray ManFail don't get a sniff as a OC....

This is simply insurance and nothing more. Mangini isn't going to be offering any advice to anyone. He will be a OC/DC in training. Next season, especially if we win in Feb, we are going to lose either or both Fangio and Roman. Mangini, with one year of understanding what Harbaugh wants from his OC/DC will be prepared to step into the vacated position.

Knowing this, I'm with you, I'm still not at all on board with the call.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Eric Branch:

Former #Patriots LB Willie McGinest has some advice for #49ers Eric Mangini, his former defensive coordinator ...

Mangini was New England's secondary coach (2000-04) and defensive coordinator (2005) during McGinest's career. Here's what McGinest said today on the NFL Network:

“With Eric, when he was a defensive back coach and he was a defensive coordinator, he was one way. I had a candid conversation with Eric at the Hall of Fame and I said, ‘Eric, the thing that made you special and made us gravitate to you was the way you are.’ When he became a head coach in New York and a head coach in Cleveland, he changed a little bit.

“He felt he had to change as a head coach, but he didn’t (have to). He has the skills, he has the tutelage, he’s been under some great minds. He’s a very, very intelligent guy when it comes to schemes and game plans, and putting together players to fit those schemes and game plans. This time around he understands, like anybody who makes mistakes, what he didn’t do well the first time. The second time around that he can do a lot better.”

I listened to a little bit of the Mangini stuff on the radio today and read a ton on the internet and there have been some all-time dumb, ignorant, and not factual things said on Mangini. Just flat out stupid, emotional, reactionary things. Worse than what I'm used to seeing when a hire is made. I still love how fans judge coaches, though.

 

[geneh_33]

Didn't Mangini take Kansas to their only BCS bowl game? They went 12-1 that year, I think.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Didn't Mangini take Kansas to their only BCS bowl game? They went 12-1 that year, I think.

No, he never coached Kansas. You're thinking of Mark Mangino, who coached Kansas to a 12-1 record in 2007.

 

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Advantage 49ers? Mangini and NFC West - NFC West Blog - ESPN

Breakdown of NFCW offensive coaches...

 

[geneh_33]

No, he never coached Kansas. You're thinking of Mark Mangino, who coached Kansas to a 12-1 record in 2007.

Okay, you're right, thanks for answering my question.

Without blasting me for my ignorance.

 

[dredinis21]

He was still part of the coaching staff of when the actually had a good defense.

Also it was the defense Mangini built that Rex Ryan took to those two AFC Championships and heck even the Browns had an okish defense.

I'm not suggesting he's a great head coach or the defensive guru but I do believe he knows does know his stuff when it comes to defense and if his ESPN days are any indication he can effectively break down film.

Fair enough. Like I said, having capable defensive coordinators is nice to have. Welcome aboard, Mangini...

 

[dredinis21]

Okay, you're right, thanks for answering my question.

Without blasting me for my ignorance.

Chris is the nicest, most knowledgable poster that SportsHoopla has. He won't toot his own horn but Pozz is one of the straws that stirs this message board.

 

[Jikkle]

Everyone keeps bringing up Fangio and Roman but the spot he's most likely to take is Donatell's.

Donatell's the closet out of the staff from leaving and I would be surprised if he's not a DC somewhere next season especially if we field another strong defense.

Mangini was the secondary coach for the Patriots for several years so it's only natural for him to take over that spot if Donatell is gone.

If Roman gets an HC gig I think Geep Chryst will be the front runner to take the spot and not Mangini. Typically QB coaches are the ones that get promoted if a team replaces an OC in house.

Fangio is unlikely to get an HC gig if this past offseason is any indication. Teams are looking QB friendly offensive minded coaches more than defensive minded ones. But if he does get an HC job I can see Donatell getting the promotion to DC and Mangini taking over as secondary coach in that scenario.

Mangini obviously isn't stupid because he picked the right team to start to get back into coaching. Winning teams bring the most attention to their respective coaching staffs so he knows a job will open on this team soon or other teams are more likely to look his way.

He also likely aspires to be a HC again so working as an offensive consultant with a staff leading the way in offensive innovation will give him a broader and more complete knowledge of offense which makes him a more well rounded coach.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Mangini's mind for defense turns offensive | CSN Bay Area

Mangini, 42, signed a two-year contract, and Harbaugh said it's possible Mangini's role will eventually become an on-field coaching job. Harbaugh said he did not know what role Mangini would serve on game days. And even Mangini is unable to give specifics about his job description.

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The 49ers will be able to deny Mangini an opportunity to get a promotion next year if another team wants him to serve in a coordinator position -- offensive or defensive. The 49ers have denied Donatell advancement possibilities with Tampa Bay and New Orleans the past two offseasons.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Mangini's mind for defense turns offensive | CSN Bay Area

Mangini, 42, signed a two-year contract, and Harbaugh said it's possible Mangini's role will eventually become an on-field coaching job. Harbaugh said he did not know what role Mangini would serve on game days. And even Mangini is unable to give specifics about his job description.

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The 49ers will be able to deny Mangini an opportunity to get a promotion next year if another team wants him to serve in a coordinator position -- offensive or defensive. The 49ers have denied Donatell advancement possibilities with Tampa Bay and New Orleans the past two offseasons.

Eric Mangini hired as San Francisco 49ers offensive consultant - ESPN

Mangini never had met Harbaugh until last September when the 49ers -- in the midst of back-to-back games near the East Coast -- stayed in Youngstown, Ohio, to practice rather than flying back to California. Mangini attended one of the workouts and struck up a friendship with Harbaugh. The two men stayed in contact until meeting together two weeks ago, and shortly thereafter Harbaugh reached out with a job offer.

Just a refresher on some of how it started.

 

[Jikkle]

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