MadBum Extension

[sfsportsfan]

No links atm, but Shulman is saying 5 years with options for 2018-19

 

[SFGRTB]

Now all the beat writers are saying it.

 

[sfsportsfan]

Giants Extend Madison Bumgarner: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

 

[SFGRTB]

This is a great move, even without the terms being released yet.

Now we have at least Cain and Bum locked up through 2018 (if options are picked up). A lots of weight has been lifted off our shoulders now.

Bum's deal covers at least all 3 of his arbitration years and 1 FA year, with 2 options added on which would cover his next 2 FA years.

 

[Stokes1931]

Love it!

 

[MarcoPolo]

This means that the Giants don't have to buckle under to Timmy's agent's demands for a new contract, which likely means that Timmy won't be back after 2013.

 

[msgkings322]

This means that the Giants don't have to buckle under to Timmy's agent's demands for a new contract, which likely means that Timmy won't be back after 2013.

First part of sentence seems right, the second part seems overdone IMO. I don't think it means it's LIKELY he's gone in 2013. It might increase the odds some, but I still think there's a 50/50 or better chance he re-signs here.

And as many of us have mentioned, Timmy may not be the guy you want pitching for you in his 30s.

 

[the_broom]

First part of sentence seems right, the second part seems overdone IMO. I don't think it means it's LIKELY he's gone in 2013. It might increase the odds some, but I still think there's a 50/50 or better chance he re-signs here.

And as many of us have mentioned, Timmy may not be the guy you want pitching for you in his 30s.

Tim is a freak...in so many ways. It's hard to tell how his career will progress, it seems so far that so much of it depends on how hard he is willing to work to keep his flexibility and motion together. When he slacks...bad things happen as it did for that time in 2010. I don't think that signing MadBum means Timmy won't be back, but I do think that it is a sign that Giants management realizes that they won't be able to throw down for a 5-7 year deal if that is what it takes to keep him.

 

[CameronFrye]

It's odd that this is the largest deal ever given to a player with less than two years of ML experience, yet somehow I still view this as a win for the Giants.

Bravo to the front office for their work over the past few weeks.

 

[the_broom]

It's odd that this is the largest deal ever given to a player with less than two years of ML experience, yet somehow I still view this as a win for the Giants.

Bravo to the front office for their work over the past few weeks.

Big rep for this one!

 

[MarcoPolo]

... but I do think that it is a sign that Giants management realizes that they won't be able to throw down for a 5-7 year deal if that is what it takes to keep {Timmy}.

Exactly this. {Edit: whoops. I think I misread the above. I read it as "Giants management realizes that they don't have to throw down for a 5-7 year deal", which is what I think. They now have the freedom to sign Timmy without him (or his agent) bending them over a barrel - they can just walk away if they can't come to a deal.}

And I think that Timmy is going to want the biggest and longest deal that he can get, and will follow it wherever it takes him. I don't imagine him quibbling over a million a year if the contract length is the same, but if somebody offers him a 7 year contract, and the Giants won't go past 5 with a team option, Timmy is GONE. And I think that there is a team that will offer Timmy 6 or 7 years (unless of course he gets injured or just keeps declining every year).

Personally, I also think that if just about any team offers him $25M/yr for 5 years and the Giants won't budge past $22M per year, then he is gone. Others don't think Timmy will go for the money, I do.

And finally, if the Giants can't come to an agreement with Timmy on a new contract before the start of next season, I believe that they should try and trade him for a boatload of quality prospects. With 2 of their best 3 pitchers signed for the next 6+ years, they not only can but should take a one year hit if it nets them several promising, young hitters with years of team control.

 

[msgkings322]

Exactly this. {Edit: whoops. I think I misread the above. I read it as "Giants management realizes that they don't have to throw down for a 5-7 year deal", which is what I think. They now have the freedom to sign Timmy without him (or his agent) bending them over a barrel - they can just walk away if they can't come to a deal.}

And I think that Timmy is going to want the biggest and longest deal that he can get, and will follow it wherever it takes him. I don't imagine him quibbling over a million a year if the contract length is the same, but if somebody offers him a 7 year contract, and the Giants won't go past 5 with a team option, Timmy is GONE. And I think that there is a team that will offer Timmy 6 or 7 years (unless of course he gets injured or just keeps declining every year).

Personally, I also think that if just about any team offers him $25M/yr for 5 years and the Giants won't budge past $22M per year, then he is gone. Others don't think Timmy will go for the money, I do.

And finally, if the Giants can't come to an agreement with Timmy on a new contract before the start of next season, I believe that they should try and trade him for a boatload of quality prospects. With 2 of their best 3 pitchers signed for the next 6+ years, they not only can but should take a one year hit if it nets them several promising, young hitters with years of team control.

How about waiting for midseason 2013 to see if he's pitching great and the team is contending? The haul back might be less, but that seems like the classier way to handle it, and the better way to prevent a fan riot.

 

[mistgl]

It's odd that this is the largest deal ever given to a player with less than two years of ML experience, yet somehow I still view this as a win for the Giants.

Bravo to the front office for their work over the past few weeks.

Bum seems like a LH version of Cain, and he got expensive in his Arb years. The real Bargain in this is the added FA year and the team options. We save some $$$$ and guarantee the top of our rotation stays strong if/when Tim leaves.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Comcast is announcing that it's a "five-year, $35 million extension" with no breakdown of the year-by-year costs.

 

[MarcoPolo]

A significant portion of the "post Zito" money has now been spent. I'd *guess* that MadBum doesn't earn more than $1M this year (he was due a little over 500K) unless it's bonus money. And that next year (Zito's last) probably isn't much more than $1M (unless the "oops, I'm a super-2" $5M bonus kicks in). I'd assume that the big bucks in the guaranteed portion of that $35M are the final 3 years, after Zito is gone. Add in Cain's "extra" $5M/yr (what he's earning over the $15M of this year's salary) and that probably accounts for almost all of Zito's annual salary.

 

[gp956]

This means that the Giants don't have to buckle under to Timmy's agent's demands for a new contract, which likely means that Timmy won't be back after 2013.

Don't no where this has anything to do with timmy. Madbum was under team control until 2017.

 

[tzill]

Don't no where this has anything to do with timmy. Madbum was under team control until 2017.

Nor do I. It seems excessively pants shitty to me.

:arg:

 

[mistgl]

A significant portion of the "post Zito" money has now been spent. I'd *guess* that MadBum doesn't earn more than $1M this year (he was due a little over 500K) unless it's bonus money. And that next year (Zito's last) probably isn't much more than $1M (unless the "oops, I'm a super-2" $5M bonus kicks in). I'd assume that the big bucks in the guaranteed portion of that $35M are the final 3 years, after Zito is gone. Add in Cain's "extra" $5M/yr (what he's earning over the $15M of this year's salary) and that probably accounts for almost all of Zito's annual salary.

Bum would have to seriously shit the bed for him not to earn Super 2 status - It's practically a forgone conclusion.

 

[SFGRTB]

From Baggs:

Just talked to Bumgarner. He's thrilled. They started talking over the winter, then team had to focus on Cain.

 

[SFGRTB]

Next on extension list:

Melky?

More than one Giants pitcher has suggested to me they'd be happy if Melky were next on extension list. He's made that strong an impression.

(Baggs)