Lakers were embarrassing.

[wlk3]

Hoorse eat a dick

 

[thehoorse]

Hoorse eat a dick

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Also, welcome to my ignore list.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Source?



I disagree. Vehemently. 3 trip-dubs in last 7 games. Good luck replacing that. Besides, Gasol's $19M expiring contract is attractive to the Lakers just as much as any other team looking at 2014-15. Sure they saw that coming.



Agree there.

It was reported before Dantoni was hired by several media outlets that Phil wanted a part of the team & Lakers ownership wouldn't give it to him. Can't blame them their. I wouldn't give him a percentage of the team either.

Gasol is the only trade chip the Lakers have. There isn't anyone else on the team worth much in a deal.

 

[starbigd]

It was reported before Dantoni was hired by several media outlets that Phil wanted a part of the team & Lakers ownership wouldn't give it to him. Can't blame them their. I wouldn't give him a percentage of the team either.

Gasol is the only trade chip the Lakers have. There isn't anyone else on the team worth much in a deal.

^THIS.

I'm curious. WHY is Howard a MUST sign? If it's one thing that guy just proved, it's that he's a MUST walk......hell cut him if you must. He has no heart, no offensive moves, can't hit FTs, and pretty much QUIT yesterday. He wanted to get tossed. He gave no effort, and pretty did the same for most of the season. I do not understand this thought process that you MUST have a guy like Howard to win, when all the best teams in the league don't have real centers. Howard doesn't fit the Lakers style of play, he isn't mature enough to handle being the guy in LA, and you won't be able to put any pieces around him for about 2 years. What's the point?

 

[RobToxin]

One thing and we were talking about no one pulling a Bynum and then Howard goes and makes an ass of himself. That boy seriously needs to grow up.

Otherwise, the rest of the Lakers were just overmatched considering it was practically bench warmers vs starters. Not to mention the mismatch at head coach.

 

[Big Red Slugs]

It was reported before Dantoni was hired by several media outlets that Phil wanted a part of the team & Lakers ownership wouldn't give it to him. Can't blame them their. I wouldn't give him a percentage of the team either.

It was also denied directly by Jackson and the Lakers. Would you rather deal in media rumors or what the relevant parties actually said?

This is what a citation looks like:

Lakers handling of Phil Jackson, coaching search a jumbled mess | ProBasketballTalk

The next day both sides — Jackson’s and the Lakers — denied this was the case. Both said there had not been much real negotiation. Maybe yes, maybe no. Certainly Jackson has long wanted the control of the team and has said in the past he wanted to lessen his travel (he was weary of the grind of being an NBA coach).

This much we know — Jackson’s agent was set to sit down with the Lakers Monday and negotiate and if a deal could be struck Jackson was expected to accept.

If you are the Lakers, why go through all the first dancing with Jackson, telling him he can have the job then saying before the real negotiating session he was asking for too much?

Gasol is the only trade chip the Lakers have. There isn't anyone else on the team worth much in a deal.

I bet Toronto still wants Steve Nash and could still be persuaded to let Kyle Lowry go. Hmm, that might actually make some sense. Certainly better sense than trading away a $19M expiring contract for less talented, multi-year deal players when you've been planning for 2014 all along.

 

[Big Red Slugs]

^THIS.

I'm curious. WHY is Howard a MUST sign? If it's one thing that guy just proved, it's that he's a MUST walk......hell cut him if you must. He has no heart, no offensive moves, can't hit FTs, and pretty much QUIT yesterday. He wanted to get tossed. He gave no effort, and pretty did the same for most of the season. I do not understand this thought process that you MUST have a guy like Howard to win, when all the best teams in the league don't have real centers. Howard doesn't fit the Lakers style of play, he isn't mature enough to handle being the guy in LA, and you won't be able to put any pieces around him for about 2 years. What's the point?

AGAIN, from page 15 of the Lakers v. Spurs Thread:

Not sure why you think Howard means ANYTHING to your roster. Every game you lose, he gets the blame, yet you still want to keep him? For what purpose?

Because he's proven to be the best center in the game today.

Howard's impact on the defensive end alone makes him a top-5 player in my book, even hobbled. I'll remind you, as I've been saying all season, even before it became popular to say during broadcast: This season Howard was 1st in rebounding, 2nd on FG%, and 5th in blocked shots.

And I didn't realize Howard got blamed for every loss. I agree he's been undervalued by a lot of Lakers fans this season, but I don't recall the blame being placed squarely on his shoulders for anything more than maybe 2 or 3 games where he missed a bunch of free throws in a tight game. Trust that I was quick to dispel those concerns.

I've been banging on one specific drum about the Lakers for 5 years now.....and thats that the main issue is age on the perimeter, and not being able to guard shooters and PGs.

The Lakers have won 2 championships in the past 5 years.

I think you're magnifying, without actually mentioning, the drop-off in Kobe's ability to sustain hawkish perimeter defense. That is an issue, and there's a reason his contract is up after next season, and the Lakers will retool with yet another elite perimeter player in his spot to pair with Howard.

But you do have a point that the Lakers have been fairly weak at slowing the quicker PGs throughout our championships in the past 15 years and that the West is getting particularly quicker at that position, but the point you're missing is that we've been winning championships nonetheless.

I think a lot of it goes back to the fact that Phil likes bigger, typically slower PGs, so that's what we've ended up with for the most part in the past.

I've been 100% right and very FEW Lakers fans seem to grasp it. The Lakers can't guard GUARDS.

You've been 50% right at best. See above.

And plenty of Lakers fans grasp it. It's no secret that the Lakers have been slow on the perimeter for years, even amongst Lakers fans.

They've had two 7 ft all stars in the frontcourt for YEARS and it's gotten them nothing. WHY? Because damn near EVERY team in the West has an all star caliber PG and SGs that can light you up from outside. The Lakers have YET to join the rest of the conference in this......they don't defend dribble penetration, and they don't get out on shooters.

NEWS FLASH: The Lakers have dominated the NBA because we've always been able to acquire and retain the best big man in the game at the time.

And we almost always seem to pair that dominate big with an elite perimeter player or two as well. I have complete confidence in Mitch and the Lakers scouts' ability to get the job done again, as well as confidence that Howard won't allow Jim Buss to destroy the Lakers with ineptitude, because Howard will hold him over the barrel this summer to do the right thing.

The best way to address this would have been to trade Howard when you had the chance. Honestly, Pau, Howard, World Peace, Nash, Jamison should NOT be on this roster next year. But I somehow doubt the fans or the GM will get this either.

I bet you'd be the first one screaming, "The Mavs are BACK, bitches!" if Cuban were able to pull off a deal for Howard this summer. You and Cuban both would be more than happy to jettison Dirk and anyone else on your sorry roster for the chance.

Pau Gasol has put together 3 triple doubles in the past 6 games. I'll repeat, 3 trip-dubs in 6 games. I'd say he knows how to play the game better than most and certainly has something left in the tank. I'd personally hate to see the Lakers let him go. To me, Howard and Pau is what makes us unique. We just need a better coach.

Metta will probably be gone this summer, because next season is his option and he's been saying for a while that he'd like to finish his career in New York. His career is officially winding down now.

As for Nash, we need to let Toronto take him already for Kyle Lowry. Personally, I still hate Steve Nash and I've never trusted his intentions in putting on a Lakers jersey. He must go, so we agree there.

And Jamison is a FA now. Did you get that?

Lets just say we disagree then. Your last title was in was in 2010, and much of this same roster was here......they've gotten older, slower, and MUCH of the West has changed, which is my point. That style of play will no longer cut it.

I have NEVER wanted Howard, and adding him does nothing for the Mavs. Why?

Because Dallas, like the Lakers, does NOT play inside out basketball!!!

Howard statistically gives you the SAME production you got with Bynum. It was at best, a lateral move. It does not/will not pay you any dividends.

As it stands right now, if you keep Howard......you HAVE to jettison Kobe, Pau, Metta, Nash. It's not even in question. Kobe's 80 mill along with a max deal for Howard eliminates ANY FAs, period. So you can't improve the roster.

So, somebody has to go, which is why trading was the smarter choice. Understand - without dumping salary, there will be NO courting Brandon Jennings. There will BE no new players. And despite what many a homer think, the Buss family is not paying 100 million in luxury tax for a 7 seed team. Hell they aren't paying that even for a title team, because it comes directly out of their pockets.

I'm sure many will disagree with me here......and that's fine, thats what these boards are for. But I stand by my statement.....I've been 100% CORRECT.

Statistics don't show a critical difference between Howard and Bynum, one that coincidentally addresses your concern about perimeter defense: Bynum was a major liability in screen-roll defense, whereas Howard is much more athletic, agile, and quick to show in those situations. Howard was a major upgrade at our most critical weakness on the perimeter, because teams used to screen-roll us to death like no other when Bynum was in there.

I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS LENGTHY CONVERSATION ALL OVER AGAIN, AND I HONESTLY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY YOU'RE SO OBSESSED WITH THE LAKERS?

 

[SportsChic]

Lakers big dreams with the signing of Howard and Nash resulted in a sweep in the 1st round. IMO this team never had any chemistry building in the beginning of the season with even Jamison complaining on playing time. Then injuries in the middle to Gasol and Bryant at the end which was the worst time for the Lakers.

Don't know how/what the Lakers will be like in the fall. Thinking a C might be order in the draft with letting Howard go. Because when Howard Dad spoke out to the media and not him this time shows that for all of his talents, he is almost like a bad influence. Let him go. Was a good pick-up as Bynum just collected a check from the Sixers, but his best days where in Orlando.

 

[SportsChic]

One thing and we were talking about no one pulling a Bynum and then Howard goes and makes an ass of himself. That boy seriously needs to grow up.

Otherwise, the rest of the Lakers were just overmatched considering it was practically bench warmers vs starters. Not to mention the mismatch at head coach.

Same thoughts on Howard. Almost but I didn't call him a cry baby like leBum James, DWhine Wade, or Crissy Bosh Spice.

 

[Big Red Slugs]

Lakers big dreams with the signing of Howard and Nash resulted in a sweep in the 1st round. IMO this team never had any chemistry building in the beginning of the season with even Jamison complaining on playing time. Then injuries in the middle to Gasol and Bryant at the end which was the worst time for the Lakers.

Don't know how/what the Lakers will be like in the fall. Thinking a C might be order in the draft with letting Howard go. Because when Howard Dad spoke out to the media and not him this time shows that for all of his talents, he is almost like a bad influence. Let him go. Was a good pick-up as Bynum just collected a check from the Sixers, but his best days where in Orlando.

. . . I heard the Bulls are in talks with Howard's agent now.

*SC runs to ESPN, disappointed*

 

[starbigd]

AGAIN, from page 15 of the Lakers v. Spurs Thread:

























I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS LENGTHY CONVERSATION ALL OVER AGAIN, AND I HONESTLY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY YOU'RE SO OBSESSED WITH THE LAKERS?

All I'm seeking is a logical, sound reason of WHY you want a guy that's not really giving you anything.

I can't understand the logic of ANY team wanting to give that guy a max deal - he's PROVEN he's not worth it.

Every team that's in contention is winning with guards and a forward.....virtually NOBODY plays inside out basketball anymore, including the Lakers.

All I read here is fluff and delusional, muddled thinking. So I keep pressing the issue hoping I can penetrate this group think that seems to have you all enthralled with a player that's proven to ultimately be worth nothing to your team when you needed him most.

 

[Big Red Slugs]

All I'm seeking is a logical, sound reason of WHY you want a guy that's not really giving you anything.

I can't understand the logic of ANY team wanting to give that guy a max deal - he's PROVEN he's not worth it.

Apparently you're seeking confirmation of your own views. As I just pointed out, I've gone through this entire rigamarole rather plainly with you already.

But I'll repeat, slowly: Dwight Howard is the best center in league. Bigs are a major commodity in basketball. There's no other feasible equal talent available.

Every team that's in contention is winning with guards and a forward.....virtually NOBODY plays inside out basketball anymore, including the Lakers.

If you look at the history of the league beyond the past three seasons, there tends to be periods of dearth in talented bigs. This results in heightened guard and forward play, but it always comes back to the dominant players closest to the basket for the great majority of championships.

Don't get so caught up in the current hype. You might look silly if you stick around long enough.

All I read here is fluff and delusional, muddled thinking. So I keep pressing the issue hoping I can penetrate this group think that seems to have you all enthralled with a player that's proven to ultimately be worth nothing to your team when you needed him most.

We both know that's not true.

 

[starbigd]

Apparently you're seeking confirmation of your own views. As I just pointed out, I've gone through this entire rigamarole rather plainly with you already.

But I'll repeat, slowly: Dwight Howard is the best center in league. Bigs are a major commodity in basketball. There's no other feasible equal talent available.



If you look at the history of the league beyond the past three seasons, there tends to be periods of dearth in talented bigs. This results in heightened guard and forward play, but it always comes back to the dominant players closest to the basket for the great majority of championships.

Don't get so caught up in the current hype. You might look silly if you stick around long enough.



We both know that's not true.

Ahhhh.....and there's the rub. TALENTED bigs. I contend that bigs are NOT as great a commodity as you imagine.

Dwight Howard is not one of them. He's been the "best center in the league" for years now......that in and of itself is NOT a reason to sign him.

Where has that gotten ANY team he's played for so far?

He simply isn't the RIGHT man for the job.

 

[Big Red Slugs]

Ahhhh.....and there's the rub. TALENTED bigs. I contend that bigs are NOT as great a commodity as you imagine.

Dwight Howard is not one of them. He's been the "best center in the league" for years now......that in and of itself is NOT a reason to sign him.

Where has that gotten ANY team he's played for so far?

He simply isn't the RIGHT man for the job.

I'm open to the idea that Dwight Howard isn't an offensively dominant big, but he impacts the game more than any other current player on the defensive end and that's enough for me right now to want him on my team, even with a max deal.

I imagine we'll agree the Lakers need some other form of star power to supplement Howard's offensive deficiencies. I submit a physically-humbled Kobe Bryant sharing the rock and a healthy Pau Gasol for the 2013-14 season, two proven champions. That's likely the last big ride for them, and then the Lakers have set it up brilliantly so that they have the financial flexibility to go after the big name FAs in 2014. I like that plan.

 

[SportsChic]

. . . I heard the Bulls are in talks with Howard's agent now.

*SC runs to ESPN, disappointed*[/QU
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Crack me up.

Paxson might after letting Omer Asik go whos rebonds and blocks would been a big help then Mohammend.

 

[starbigd]

I'm open to the idea that Dwight Howard isn't an offensively dominant big, but he impacts the game more than any other current player on the defensive end and that's enough for me right now to want him on my team, even with a max deal.

I imagine we'll agree the Lakers need some other form of star power to supplement Howard's offensive deficiencies. I submit a physically-humbled Kobe Bryant sharing the rock and a healthy Pau Gasol for the 2013-14 season, two proven champions. That's likely the last big ride for them, and then the Lakers have set it up brilliantly so that they have the financial flexibility to go after the big name FAs in 2014. I like that plan.

Not sure how "brilliant" it is. I remember when AI was arguably the best player in the league......wasn't worth signing.

I think you can get what Dwight brings on D for a much cheaper price......no player has disappointed me more than Howard. For all his talent, he was all but useless when the team needed him the most. It's just hard to watch him play, and sad to see Laker fans WILLINGLY sign up for more mediocrity from that bum.

Sad state of affairs indeed. I remember when Lakers fans demanded excellence. Now you're settling.

We'll see what Kupchak can work out. Right now, I dont see how this ends well for the Lakers or Howard.

 

[Black Adam]

Lakers were atrocious in the playoffs. A fitting end to a miserable season. Good riddance.

be back soon...whether YOU like it or not...








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[Shanemansj13]

I just don't like teams that try and buy ships. For ex: NYY

 

[Big Red Slugs]

I just don't like teams that try and buy ships. For ex: NYY

At first I thought, "Shane should stick to NCAA," then I remembered how much big money in college programs seems to dominate there.

Then I thought, "Shane should stick to high school sports," then I remembered how much boosters and even AAU or sometimes agents influence the game on that level as well.

I don't even know if the kids' YMCA league is safe for your mindset. Perhaps you should settle on the idea that if your team ain't doing everything legal it can to win, especially when it comes to spending, then maybe you just like supporting losers.

 

[Black Adam]

I just don't like teams that try and buy ships. For ex: NYY

then why so much LeClown and Heat love would be MY question. let's face it, if that isn't evidence of totally selling out for titles what else can you reasonably call it...?








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