Kyle Williams needs to start not Ginn

[iHATEdodgers]

I don't see it. Not that Williams doesn't have the talent, it just that Alex Smith isn't Tom Brady and our system doesn't tailor to slot receivers like New England's.

That's true... I wonder though if Harbaugh might use the slot package more to make more use of Williams. Williams really makes the most of his time on the field, either way I think we'll see more of Williams the rest of the way.

The 2 TE package has worked well, but anybody notice how Davis has reemerged over the past few weeks and with that Delanie's production has become non-existent. Not really sure what to make of that, but if they are only going to utilize one of them (in the passing game) at a time maybe it's time to get away from that package a little more. Might be an opening to use more of Williams there.

 

[MW49ers5]

Jones over Nelson?

No, go ahead and reverse that.

 

[CalamityX11]

No, go ahead and reverse that.

LOL

 

[MW49ers5]

LOL

Yeah, I think it may have been that way last year, or perhaps it is just one of those things that I will forever remember incorrectly. Either way, Cheers Brother!

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

I wouldnt mind KW getting a start. That dude catches everything.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

No, go ahead and reverse that.

I was about to respond to your little rant on the other page, but it looks like you've already conceded that you were wrong about Nelson vs. Jones. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[threelittleturds]

Nelson is clearly the Packers' second receiver, behind only Greg Jennings. He benefits from Driver on the other side, but he's having a great season in his own right (and is killing my fantasy team lately by taking balls away from Jennings....). Driver benefited yesterday from being the Packers' third receiver and fourth receiving option. And then James Jones is the fourth receiver who will put together the occasional big game, but otherwise is almost an afterthought.

I know he is their 2nd best WR statistically, but what I meant by 3rd or 4th was his position on the depth chart. With a quick glance at NFL.com's depth chart for the Packers. He is listed as Donald Driver's backup, and I honestly don't know if Jones plays more than Nelson as Jenning's backup.

Also, with their system, the 3rd and 4th WRs are practically starting anyways since they play so often. I just can't honestly say Nelson is consistently going up against one of the opponents best two CBs, can you? I really have no idea if defensive coordinators are playing the Packers WRs, I was just going with an assumption that starting WRs drew starting CBs.

Anyway, back to Williams, I was just trying to use Nelson's success as a non-starter for an example to keep Williams where he is. Ginn draws faster DBs and even safeties, so the mismatch created by Williams against a team's nickelback is working really well for Kyle and the offense the last few games.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I know he is their 2nd best WR statistically, but what I meant by 3rd or 4th was his position on the depth chart. With a quick glance at NFL.com's depth chart for the Packers. He is listed as Donald Driver's backup, and I honestly don't know if Jones plays more than Nelson as Jenning's backup.

Also, with their system, the 3rd and 4th WRs are practically starting anyways since they play so often. I just can't honestly say Nelson is consistently going up against one of the opponents best two CBs, can you? I really have no idea if defensive coordinators are playing the Packers WRs, I was just going with an assumption that starting WRs drew starting CBs.

Anyway, back to Williams, I was just trying to use Nelson's success as a non-starter for an example to keep Williams where he is. Ginn draws faster DBs and even safeties, so the mismatch created by Williams against a team's nickelback is working really well for Kyle and the offense the last few games.

Yeah, I noticed a few weeks back that Driver is listed as one of their starters. And he may be, but there's no doubt in my mind that Nelson is their second guy. Even if he was drawing less attention earlier in the year, he had nearly 300 yards and three TDs after the first four games. Everyone has known who he is from that point on. There's little doubt that Jennings still draws the most attention from opposing Ds, but any DC who is prioritizing Driver or Jones over Nelson needs his head examined.

 

[threelittleturds]

Yeah, I noticed a few weeks back that Driver is listed as one of their starters. And he may be, but there's no doubt in my mind that Nelson is their second guy. Even if he was drawing less attention earlier in the year, he had nearly 300 yards and three TDs after the first four games. Everyone has known who he is from that point on. There's little doubt that Jennings still draws the most attention from opposing Ds, but any DC who is prioritizing Driver or Jones over Nelson needs his head examined.

Yeah, I'd hope so too. Driver is only a threat if you leave him wide open. I'd expect that DC's shift the coverage over to Nelson when he enters the game, but I don't know for sure. So, maybe that was a bad example because I can't watch their games, I can't stomach the one-sided officiating in their games.

Forget my poor choice for an example then, I'll just stick with my thought that Kyle Williams offers more to the offense as the 3rd WR who presents matchup difficulties for 3rd CBs.

 

[MW49ers5]

Yeah, I'd hope so too. Driver is only a threat if you leave him wide open. I'd expect that DC's shift the coverage over to Nelson when he enters the game, but I don't know for sure. So, maybe that was a bad example because I can't watch their games, I can't stomach the one-sided officiating in their games.

Forget my poor choice for an example then, I'll just stick with my thought that Kyle Williams offers more to the offense as the 3rd WR who presents matchup difficulties for 3rd CBs.

I wouldn't abandon your thinking at all, Three. I think both you and Crimson are right, here. I think Nelson has emerged as their #2, (even though Driver is still listed as their second starter @ WR on game-day) and I think DC's would naturally be more concerned about Nelson over Jones.

However, the talent differential between Nelson & Jones is nominal, they can both make all the catches and run all the routes. Thus if defenses adjust to much to one side, Rodgers will make them pay by just shifting to the other side.

So, to reiterate, I agree Nelson is Rodgers #2 target, however I don't think Aaron will lose a blink of sleep if he had to make Jones his #2 target because defenses were pinching too much on Nelson. Thus, I think you are both correct in your opinions, if that makes any sense.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I wouldn't abandon your thinking at all, Three. I think both you and Crimson are right, here. I think Nelson has emerged as their #2, (even though Driver is still listed as their second starter @ WR on game-day) and I think DC's would naturally be more concerned about Nelson over Jones.

However, the talent differential between Nelson & Jones is nominal, they can both make all the catches and run all the routes. Thus if defenses adjust to much to one side, Rodgers will make them pay by just shifting to the other side.

So, to reiterate, I agree Nelson is Rodgers #2 target, however I don't think Aaron will lose a blink of sleep if he had to make Jones his #2 target because defenses were pinching too much on Nelson. Thus, I think you are both correct in your opinions, if that makes any sense.

From what I have seen this season, Nelson is much more reliable than Jones. Jones has a lot of physical talent, maybe more than Nelson, but he just doesn't catch the ball with the consistency you'd like to see in a number two guy. Nelson struggled with drops last year, but it seems like he's really cleaned it up this year.

I agree that Jones is still a pretty darn good option when the D takes away Nelson, and he can be particularly effective at stretching the field. But Nelson has really taken a step over last year's postseason and this year that Jones just hasn't made yet.

 

[CalamityX11]

BTW, many of us should already know KW was capable of playing huge for us since the preseason...

But seeing that breakaway speed was like WHOA... don't see that very often from our players lol....

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

BTW, many of us should already know KW was capable of playing huge for us since the preseason...

But seeing that breakaway speed was like WHOA... don't see that very often from our players lol....

Exactly one thing we have been missing is the home run plays! Figured Ginn could do it. But looks like KW might be that guy.

 

[iHATEdodgers]

BTW, many of us should already know KW was capable of playing huge for us since the preseason...

But seeing that breakaway speed was like WHOA... don't see that very often from our players lol....

I believe I exclaimed "Ho-LY SHIT" when he busted that one, that was awesome. He needs to see more time on the field.

 

[Arete Tzu]

I was looking for video of William's stiff arm, and was distracted by half naked ass in the related videos.

The smile on his face is great. It's like a young man around a woman for the first time.

 

[49ermann]

I believe I exclaimed "Ho-LY SHIT" when he busted that one, that was awesome. He needs to see more time on the field.

Haha I said the same thing.

But many of us forget that Kyle Williams was drafted as a return specialist first and a wr prospect second. We might not have to sign Ginn if he can do that plus become a #2. But I really hope he gets more playing time. He has that one cut and gone ability that this offense is missing.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Williams and Hunter add some big-play threat to this offense, and it's been far too long without that. I'd like to see us get both of them more involved as the playoffs approach.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Still waiting for the Kendall hunter screens...

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Figured I'd throw this in this thread. Article on Crabtree's recent improvement and markedly better rapport with Smith.

San Francisco 49ers – Niner Insider Blog – SFGate.com Crabtree’s season offers hope for banged-up Edwards

Now if only we can get Davis back to catching balls and build some rapport with Edwards, we might have something going....

 

[xJuicex]

San Francisco 49ers: Wide receiver Kyle Williams (173) has 1.93 Yards Per Route Run, which is significantly higher than Braylon Edwards and Ted Ginn. However, both Edwards and Ginn remain ahead of Williams on the depth chart.