Kyle Shanahan

[Krusheasy]

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[gkekoa]

Run the F'n play and keep your mouth shut.

 

[skinsdad62]

Run the F'n play and keep your mouth shut.

i see Rg3's point

he isnt explosive with that brace , he is the threat he was last season as the following numbers indicate

2012
120 carries 815 yds 6.8 avg 7tds 9 fumbles 2 for loss

2013
86 carries , 489 yds 5.7 avg 0 tds 5 fumbles 1 for loss

so what if Rg3 is saying i am not comfortable running that play yet with this brace and i feel like i am exposing myself to unneeded hits and the value of the play isnt what it needs to be because i cant explode to the endzone with the brace on?

so he is a jerk for saying that ? he is a jerk for allegedly communicating it to the owner when his OC and HC are saying screw you and your input? and screw your health ? just run the F' N play we call ?

 

[gkekoa]

I thought the coaches were supposed to play to win? If he's not comfortable running those plays, KC is a better QB. If he's not comfortable running those plays because he's still injured, then he should have been on the PUP or the IR.


You make it sound like 5.7 YPC is poor. This average is only .1 behind Andre Ellington for the league lead and this is without the 90 yarder of last season. As a matter of fact, his long for the season is only 26 but I don't think that has much to do with explosion...it has to do with the defenses. They are spying him and maintaining discipline this season. He's not making them pay though with his passes.


Yes he is a jerk for running to the owner. If he's not healthy, then don't play. He's not a pocket passer...he makes his team better by making the LBs respect the run and open up the hole between the LBs and S. The owner doesn't know football and really...neither does RG3. RG3 is learning the game and Dan Snyder was the fat kid who wished he could play sports growing up.

 

[Krusheasy]

i see Rg3's point

he isnt explosive with that brace , he is the threat he was last season as the following numbers indicate

2012
120 carries 815 yds 6.8 avg 7tds 9 fumbles 2 for loss

2013
86 carries , 489 yds 5.7 avg 0 tds 5 fumbles 1 for loss

so what if Rg3 is saying i am not comfortable running that play yet with this brace and i feel like i am exposing myself to unneeded hits and the value of the play isnt what it needs to be because i cant explode to the endzone with the brace on?

so he is a jerk for saying that ? he is a jerk for allegedly communicating it to the owner when his OC and HC are saying screw you and your input? and screw your health ? just run the F' N play we call ?

I think Bovey did a good job last year illustrating the fact Griffin was actually safer running the RO last year ... so I wont expand on that. The RO has hardly been an option this year given Griffin physical limitations.

However, if Griffin, or his family, has an issue with Kyle playcalling take it up with the coach. Run an audible. DO ANYTHING. But do not get DAN SNYDER involved.


Without going into the chain of command thing again, I can not stress how strongly i feel about this enough...
The owner should be in NO WAY involved with football operations !!!!

 

[j_y19]

i see Rg3's point

he isnt explosive with that brace , he is the threat he was last season as the following numbers indicate

2012
120 carries 815 yds 6.8 avg 7tds 9 fumbles 2 for loss

2013
86 carries , 489 yds 5.7 avg 0 tds 5 fumbles 1 for loss

so what if Rg3 is saying i am not comfortable running that play yet with this brace and i feel like i am exposing myself to unneeded hits and the value of the play isnt what it needs to be because i cant explode to the endzone with the brace on?

so he is a jerk for saying that ? he is a jerk for allegedly communicating it to the owner when his OC and HC are saying screw you and your input? and screw your health ? just run the F' N play we call ?

If this were true (and I'm not convinced it is), RG3 is way out of bounds. What's next, a WR saying they don't want to run patterns over the middle? Guards saying they don't want to pass block because that's when most knee injuries to linemen occur? Kick returner saying they will only fair catch punts?

If RG3 didn't feel healthy enough to run the offense, then take yourself out. But you don't question the play calling and you definitely don't complain to he owner.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

Usually I like Sally Jenkins, but this seems like a heaping pile of bullshit to me.

Even if RG3 ran to Danny b/c he didn't like Kylie's play calling, why the fuck would Mike block that? Wouldn't a man secure of himself, and without a massive ego say something akin to "sure, owner dans dyer. Go talk to Kyle about it, but know this, Danny Snyder: by appeasing RG3 and talking to Kyle about what he doesn't like, you are undermining my authority."

Furthermore, who is to spay that RG2 isn't the one who is upset with Kyle shanahan's play calling, and urging his son to do something about it? After all, RG2 does have a penchant for letting his feelings be known about protecting his kid.

Look, they're all guilty of something. It seems to me that the Danny shouldn't get chummy with star players, RG3 should grow up, Mike Shanahan should not be such a massive egomaniacal douchebag, and his son should answer the owner's questions whenever he goddamned asks for them.

IMHO...

 

[gkekoa]

There were no physical limitations on RG3 this season in terms of roll outs.


He stated he wanted to be a pocket passer.


He's not one and will never be great at that.

 

[j_y19]

Usually I like Sally Jenkins, but this seems like a heaping pile of bullshit to me.

Even if RG3 ran to Danny b/c he didn't like Kylie's play calling, why the fuck would Mike block that? Wouldn't a man secure of himself, and without a massive ego say something akin to "sure, owner dans dyer. Go talk to Kyle about it, but know this, Danny Snyder: by appeasing RG3 and talking to Kyle about what he doesn't like, you are undermining my authority."

Furthermore, who is to spay that RG2 isn't the one who is upset with Kyle shanahan's play calling, and urging his son to do something about it? After all, RG2 does have a penchant for letting his feelings be known about protecting his kid.

Look, they're all guilty of something. It seems to me that the Danny shouldn't get chummy with star players, RG3 should grow up, Mike Shanahan should not be such a massive egomaniacal douchebag, and his son should answer the owner's questions whenever he goddamned asks for them.

IMHO...

About sums up my feelings exactly, if the story were true.

 

[skinsdad62]

I thought the coaches were supposed to play to win? If he's not comfortable running those plays, KC is a better QB. If he's not comfortable running those plays because he's still injured, then he should have been on the PUP or the IR.


You make it sound like 5.7 YPC is poor. This average is only .1 behind Andre Ellington for the league lead and this is without the 90 yarder of last season. As a matter of fact, his long for the season is only 26 but I don't think that has much to do with explosion...it has to do with the defenses. They are spying him and maintaining discipline this season. He's not making them pay though with his passes.


Yes he is a jerk for running to the owner. If he's not healthy, then don't play. He's not a pocket passer...he makes his team better by making the LBs respect the run and open up the hole between the LBs and S. The owner doesn't know football and really...neither does RG3. RG3 is learning the game and Dan Snyder was the fat kid who wished he could play sports growing up.

he has dropped in yds , avg per carry by over a full yd per carry and he hasnt rushed for a td all year

what changed ? injury , knee brace , lost explosion , what good is it to run the RO get 5 yds as you run to the sideline . if i am a defense i would stop morris and let Rg3 run out of bounds all day and kill himself on our track

 

[j_y19]

he has dropped in yds , avg per carry by over a full yd per carry and he hasnt rushed for a td all year

what changed ? injury , knee brace , lost explosion , what good is it to run the RO get 5 yds as you run to the sideline . if i am a defense i would stop morris and let Rg3 run out of bounds all day and kill himself on our track

Dad, you're missing the point. If the defenses stop the play (5+ yds/play is not stopping it BTW), then you stop calling it or you fire the play caller. But it is not the place for any player to question the play calling to the owner. I don't care what the circumstances are. BTW, sometimes plays are called to set up other plays in the offense. I'll say it again. If he doesn't feel healthy enough to run the offense, take yourself out.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

Dad, you're missing the point. If the defenses stop the play (5+ yds/play is not stopping it BTW), then you stop calling it or you fire the play caller. But it is not the place for any player to question the play calling to the owner. I don't care what the circumstances are. BTW, sometimes plays are called to set up other plays in the offense. I'll say it again. If he doesn't feel healthy enough to run the offense, take yourself out.

Additionally, it seems to me tha Kyle didn't waver from his standard Rolodex of plays, at all, this season, ever.

I thought he was going to " spend the offseason thinking about all the counter moves that could be made, and developing plays to exploit those counter moves." Or some shit like that. Isn't that what he said last season?

If they're spying on rg3, then how about a fake bootleg throw to the now vacated spot in the middle of the fucking field?

How about fakes off of option looks that aren't play-action?

Jesus Foooking Christ! I've played eight years of football and 20+ years of madden football and even an idiot like me knows how to exploit defenses that spy on qb's.

Kyle, like his father, didn't WANT to deviate from his plan, because his ego "winning" is more important than actually winning football games.

They all need to go.

 

[Krusheasy]

what good is it to run the RO get 5 yds as you run to the sideline . if i am a defense i would stop morris and let Rg3 run out of bounds all day and kill himself on our track

sums up our offense this season.

I hesitate to blame anyone for it. It's not Kyle fault because the only way he would know what he's working with is if he threw Griffin out there and see how it played out, &, its not Griffin fault he's lost the explosion he had before the injury.

When your offense, and the OL in particular, was built around the expectation of running the RO ... it's not so easy to just throw it out the window and instantly become a pocket passer ... especially when you're starting a QB who still learning to read pro defenses & requires significant time in the pocket to get through his progressions.

 

[gkekoa]

Additionally, it seems to me tha Kyle didn't waver from his standard Rolodex of plays, at all, this season, ever.

I thought he was going to " spend the offseason thinking about all the counter moves that could be made, and developing plays to exploit those counter moves." Or some shit like that. Isn't that what he said last season?

If they're spying on rg3, then how about a fake bootleg throw to the now vacated spot in the middle of the fucking field?

How about fakes off of option looks that aren't play-action?

Jesus Foooking Christ! I've played eight years of football and 20+ years of madden football and even an idiot like me knows how to exploit defenses that spy on qb's.

Kyle, like his father, didn't WANT to deviate from his plan, because his ego "winning" is more important than actually winning football games.

They all need to go.

How can he install wrinkles when RG3 still hasn't got the original playbook and RG3 was unable to be on the practice field?

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, you're missing the point. If the defenses stop the play (5+ yds/play is not stopping it BTW), then you stop calling it or you fire the play caller. But it is not the place for any player to question the play calling to the owner. I don't care what the circumstances are. BTW, sometimes plays are called to set up other plays in the offense. I'll say it again. If he doesn't feel healthy enough to run the offense, take yourself out.

if Rg3 brought this concern to his staff and the staff didnt address it , and assuming Rg3 even went to the owner with this then he was within his rights as long as he gave the shanahans time to address it

 

[j_y19]

Well, the reports are that he went directly to Dan without talking to Kyle or Mike. He asked dan to intervene. Dan went to Mike and asked mike to set up a meeting with Kyle. Apparently Kyle blew up and refused to talk to Dan about it, pissing Dan off. This is what precipitated Mike's actions. He realized he couldn't stay as Kyle was going to get axed so the speculation is he leaked the rumor so that Dan would get rid of all of them.

If this is true, then you OK with RG3's actions? We may never know, but clearly there is a rift between Kyle and RG3.

 

[gkekoa]

I love playing the blame game. Here's my blame:


60% Dan Snyder. He made the deal with Shanahan to stay the hell out of the way. He's the one that betrayed that trust. He's the one that undermined the team.


25% RG3. He's a player and people will give young guys breaks. I do give him some break; however, I'm not as nice as many...I believe in personal responsibility.


15% Mike. He's a my way or the highway kind of coach and I like that. It can't be surprising that a guy like Lavaar, who was a MEMEMEMEMEME type player, would blame the coach exclusively. RG3 is overestimating his ability by thinking he shouldn't run the R/O. He has to understand what sets him apart is his legs.

 

[skinsdad62]

Well, the reports are that he went directly to Dan without talking to Kyle or Mike. He asked dan to intervene. Dan went to Mike and asked mike to set up a meeting with Kyle. Apparently Kyle blew up and refused to talk to Dan about it, pissing Dan off. This is what precipitated Mike's actions. He realized he couldn't stay as Kyle was going to get axed so the speculation is he leaked the rumor so that Dan would get rid of all of them.

If this is true, then you OK with RG3's actions? We may never know, but clearly there is a rift between Kyle and RG3.

i bet Rg3 said something to kyle before and kyle said get "f'd . and if he did then that in of in itself was talking to them 1st if Rg3 said that he didnt want to run those plays because the brace was inhibiting him to the explosive potential he feels needed to make the play work at top level then i would say he has a valid point

this isnt the military and contrary to popular belief junior officers and soldiers question leaders a lot . now in the end you can be compelled to execute a lawful order (lawful being legal ) but to simply say that you cant question or give input to an order is false and foolish . in fact most battle orders are simply taking an objective . how you get there is on you

now to say you cant go above your direct supervisor and make your case to the next guy in the chain of command is false . you certainly can . now the general may say shut up and execute or he may say no lets do it your way and i will inform your superior

now if he asked snyder to intervene then i say he was within his rights

now if you ask me if that story is true , i would say on the surface it seems to CSI' ish , but more credible information could come forward