Kyle Cook Out for the Season?

[Servo]

I think our backup centers are so damn bad that grabbing Faine is indeed an upgrade if Cook is out a prolonged period of time.

I mean how bad could his injury be if he finished the whole damn game on it and the coaches were unaware of the injury until afterward?

Broken bone maybe 4 to 6 weeks? High ankle sprain another 4 to 6 weeks? Turf toe 4 to 6 weeks?

Besides tearing the achillies, which he would have never finished the game on, a foot injury is about 4 to 6 weeks at the worst case scenerio.

Apparently Kirpatrick could not practice yesterday either. the knee is still bothering him. Hopefully, we get some good news this week on both Cook and Kirkpatrick.

 

[jwil007]

Im glad he is available HE CAN NOT be any worse than Cook...I call that EVEN. LOL People act like this guy is gonna come in and play worse than Ghiciuc.. I would take Faine over a backup center cut from any other team in the league....

 

[jwil007]

Cook is done and Kirtpatrick will need surgery....both are done...We move on....

 

[Servo]

Just bc the guy couldnt practice doesnt mean he's done...and yes, Faine could be as bad as Ghiaciuk. Nobody thought he'd be as bad as was until he actually had to play. I'm sure when Braham went down there was probably 'we got Ghiaciuk...we've been grooming him for years...we'll be fine' chatter. And as shitty as Ghiaciuk was he still had an NFL roster spot for a couple of years. Teams actually called him, tried him out and signed him. He wasnt sitting on his couch at this point in the preseason. Maybe I'm the crazy one, but projecting a guy who is currently on his lazy boy to anchor your O-line one week before the start of the season sounds pretty friggin dire to me. That is not a good plan.

 

[flamingrey]

I think our backup centers are so damn bad that grabbing Faine is indeed an upgrade if Cook is out a prolonged period of time.

I mean how bad could his injury be if he finished the whole damn game on it and the coaches were unaware of the injury until afterward?

Broken bone maybe 4 to 6 weeks? High ankle sprain another 4 to 6 weeks? Turf toe 4 to 6 weeks?

Besides tearing the achillies, which he would have never finished the game on, a foot injury is about 4 to 6 weeks at the worst case scenerio.

Foot sprains can take a very long time to heal, especially if it's a lis franc sprain. McFadden didn't have exactly that, but close to it and it caused him to miss over 2 months and he still wasn't ready to come back.

 

[flamingrey]

Cook is done and Kirtpatrick will need surgery....both are done...We move on....

Where did you hear this?

 

[jwil007]

Kirtpatrick will be hurt all season...IR the dude and let him get the surgery and come back next year...He wasnt doin shit this year anyway.... Cook will be IR'ed...

Again people IF Faine signs then after a couple of games I think he will get it done until Cook returns..I wouldnt be surprised if he had a great year...But hey thats just me...Like I said Faine on the couch at home is EVEN to Cook ALL FREEKIN DAY LONG! Now Cook is a pro bowler??? LOL And Faine has played AFC North 3-4 front before....How many calls does he need to learn??? LOL He needs to learn our offense and honestly that wont be hard to do...block left block right block straight watch the stunt...Come on dude....He is a vet he has seen it all.... I know some of the teams he has played on KICKED OUR ASS! Browns, Bucs are a few....

 

[Tubbs1518]

Kirkpatrick will play and be fine. I'm about as unconcerned with Cooks injury as I am Bernard Scott's......

 

[cincygrad]

Nobody said Cook was a pro-bowler..... But he was a guy that has been in the offense, has remained durable, and played a position without a viable back-up. As mentioned before, if Wharton doesn't get hurt, you're looking at Boiling at center. He has a lot of potential as an interior lineman, so that might not be all bad.

Faine? There has to be a good reason why 31 other teams didn't want an all-pro as their starting center. It's not like the league has too many good centers already. Even if he is good, he's not durable. The guy has played 16 games in a season only once.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Same reasons why it took Tom Brady till the 6th round to be drafted? Or 32 teams passed on Wes Welker? Or countless other players? Cause teams always know what they are talking about.

 

[cincygrad]

Same reasons why it took Tom Brady till the 6th round to be drafted? Or 32 teams passed on Wes Welker? Or countless other players? Cause teams always know what they are talking about.

It's always easy to find exceptions to the rule, but look at the facts -- Scouts get it right much more often than they get it wrong. Look at the pro-bowl rosters. When were most of those guys drafted?

 

[cincygrad]

Same reasons why it took Tom Brady till the 6th round to be drafted? Or 32 teams passed on Wes Welker? Or countless other players? Cause teams always know what they are talking about.

And besides.... The two guys you mentioned were at least drafted or invited to camp. 32 teams have the ability to drag 80 guys to camp. That's a lot of football players.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Eh like I said I am quite quite unconcerned about losing Cook.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I also think it's different when looking at draft prospects and such. They play such a range of competition, it can be hard to truly evlauate some guy who went to Morgan State who played in the MCWWECE league for women of the abused.

The book is out on Faine, and has been. So, I can see the difference between a guy who is at home and that kid who went undrafted but exploded onto the scene.

However, I will also stay that for many veterans who don't have a job, how it usually goes is: A guy will sit at home and wait for an injury rather than go into camp and compete. They'd rather roll the dice that someone will need to pay them to come in and start, rather than go through training camp for an 11th season, only to get cut before the start of the season, beacuse the team doesn't want to gaurantee their salary for the entire year as a potentail back-up.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Just bc the guy couldnt practice doesnt mean he's done...and yes, Faine could be as bad as Ghiaciuk. Nobody thought he'd be as bad as was until he actually had to play. I'm sure when Braham went down there was probably 'we got Ghiaciuk...we've been grooming him for years...we'll be fine' chatter. And as shitty as Ghiaciuk was he still had an NFL roster spot for a couple of years. Teams actually called him, tried him out and signed him. He wasnt sitting on his couch at this point in the preseason. Maybe I'm the crazy one, but projecting a guy who is currently on his lazy boy to anchor your O-line one week before the start of the season sounds pretty friggin dire to me. That is not a good plan.

In all fairness, Oakland may have given us two first round picks for a QB sitting in his lazy boy 6 weeks into a regular season. Benson was in his lazy boy after the Bears got rid of him, and got a call from the Bengals many weeks into the season.

I don't think a lazy boy is an issue if the player has talent. However, at this point in his career, it canbe argued, how much is left in his tank. Which is the real question, not the lazy boy in question.

 

[Cincyfan78]

In all fairness, Oakland may have given us two first round picks for a QB sitting in his lazy boy 6 weeks into a regular season. Benson was in his lazy boy after the Bears got rid of him, and got a call from the Bengals many weeks into the season.

I don't think a lazy boy is an issue if the player has talent. However, at this point in his career, it canbe argued, how much is left in his tank. Which is the real question, not the lazy boy in question.

Very valid points.

Also, the end did not go well for Benson. He always had the talent, but the cutting gave him a desire to finally fill some of that talent.

I don't think people don't think Faine was good, but the question is...can he come in and start right away and how well can he hold up. He has a history of injuries, and questioning if he can still do it is legit.

 

[jwil007]

I also think it's different when looking at draft prospects and such. They play such a range of competition, it can be hard to truly evlauate some guy who went to Morgan State who played in the MCWWECE league for women of the abused.

The book is out on Faine, and has been. So, I can see the difference between a guy who is at home and that kid who went undrafted but exploded onto the scene.

However, I will also stay that for many veterans who don't have a job, how it usually goes is: A guy will sit at home and wait for an injury rather than go into camp and compete. They'd rather roll the dice that someone will need to pay them to come in and start, rather than go through training camp for an 11th season, only to get cut before the start of the season, beacuse the team doesn't want to gaurantee their salary for the entire year as a potentail back-up.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BKBroiler9000]

I'm really confused by the Kyle Cook situation. The guys gets hurt, doesn't even come out of the game, then we find out on Tuesday (the game was last Thursday) that he may not play again this year. What gives? In regards to Cook as a player, he's a middle of the road center, but nowhere near as shitty as Gut Check. I don't see a major upgrade signing Jeff Faine. Either way the interior line is quickly becoming worse than last year. Andy better be ready to run. Maybe we can ask teams to count 5 Mississippi before abliterating our QB

 

[BKBroiler9000]

BTW so glad we have an UDFA backup who has never played center in his life. Thank god for our coaches! Masters of planning ahead

 

[flamingrey]

I also think it's different when looking at draft prospects and such. They play such a range of competition, it can be hard to truly evlauate some guy who went to Morgan State who played in the MCWWECE league for women of the abused.

The book is out on Faine, and has been. So, I can see the difference between a guy who is at home and that kid who went undrafted but exploded onto the scene.

However, I will also stay that for many veterans who don't have a job, how it usually goes is: A guy will sit at home and wait for an injury rather than go into camp and compete. They'd rather roll the dice that someone will need to pay them to come in and start, rather than go through training camp for an 11th season, only to get cut before the start of the season, beacuse the team doesn't want to gaurantee their salary for the entire year as a potentail back-up.

This is true, it happens. But this is more often the case for skill positions. I can't remember the last time I've seen a starting caliber lineman on either side of the ball sitting at home waiting for a call. It just doesn't happen, especially not on offense where you don't sub players in and out like you do at other positions, even on the defensive line. It is such a refined position and the most important position group where all 5 guys absolutely have to be on the same page.