Kirk: pros and cons

[Rowdy]

Kirk Cousins: More Cons than Pros

Ok, it’s a lot easier for me to post this stuff since he isn’t a redskin. Still wish he were a redskin though

 

[Stymietee]

Kirk Cousins: More Cons than Pros

Ok, it’s a lot easier for me to post this stuff since he isn’t a redskin. Still wish he were a redskin though

Interesting article, one I'm sure that some will dismiss as either hating or coming from an ill informed writer. Here's my take:

I think that it's a mistake for Kirk to sign with a current contender, the expectations will be great and situations like that for him offers little to no upside. Should he win it all, which BTW; is his must in these places, he'll be seen as the missing piece to a ready made championship squad. After that the expectations only get higher for him and his new team. The danger in a venture like this is, failing to get to, and win, a SB. At that point he'll be seen as an over paid bust that didn't deliver on that heavy investment.

Make no mistake, Cousins was growing as an NFL QB here in Washington, the question about that growth is now how much will he continue to do so between now and opening day 2018. Getting acclimated to his new teammates, terminology, nuisances of the new offense, and mastering the playbook, suggests that there's not going to be a lot of time to work on his game. Win now says we're all championship ready, there will be no acceptance to losing games where the rationale is, our QB is still getting to where he needs to be.

The writer took another look at Kirk the player, which is fair, I'm looking at a longer view that includes the writer's perspective and what surely comes to signing a big time free agent contract.

 

[gkekoa]

Dumbest article ever...

We chose to pay Alex Smith and not KC...they won’t be paid equally this season and that is the comparison. Also, we have chose to,pay the likes of Pryor, the MxBoys, Archuletta, and Haynesworth.

4-19 against teams with winning records. We have not provided a defense or a semblance of a running game either. We are a .500 team and KC leads a top ten offense. One of the dumbest statistics ever because as a .500 team, if we had a better record against good teams, it would mean we have a worse record against bad teams.

In-fighting...have you seen Tom Brady?

Under-performing/disappointing? WtF was he expecting? We had no receivers, no running game, no defense, and like 22 OL combinations.


Yeah...gotta love the bias in those arguments.

 

[Stymietee]

Dumbest article ever...

We chose to pay Alex Smith and not KC...they won’t be paid equally this season and that is the comparison. Also, we have chose to,pay the likes of Pryor, the MxBoys, Archuletta, and Haynesworth.

4-19 against teams with winning records. We have not provided a defense or a semblance of a running game either. We are a .500 team and KC leads a top ten offense. One of the dumbest statistics ever because as a .500 team, if we had a better record against good teams, it would mean we have a worse record against bad teams.

In-fighting...have you seen Tom Brady?

Under-performing/disappointing? WtF was he expecting? We had no receivers, no running game, no defense, and like 22 OL combinations.


Yeah...gotta love the bias in those arguments.

Yeah, I prior to opening and reading the article, my impression was that he wasn't going to dissect the player primarily because there had to be context in how those results came to be. Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a culture that gives QB's too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. The writer appears to be among that group and presented his piece from that perspective. What one gets from this article is that in DC Kirk performed as outlined under the circumstances that were present when he worked here.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Alex is Better ..Mic drop peice mutha fukas. In the words of 2 live crew " fuck Cousins fuck fuck cousins"

 

[Sharkinva]

Interesting article, one I'm sure that some will dismiss as either hating or coming from an ill informed writer. Here's my take:

I think that it's a mistake for Kirk to sign with a current contender, the expectations will be great and situations like that for him offers little to no upside. Should he win it all, which BTW; is his must in these places, he'll be seen as the missing piece to a ready made championship squad. After that the expectations only get higher for him and his new team. The danger in a venture like this is, failing to get to, and win, a SB. At that point he'll be seen as an over paid bust that didn't deliver on that heavy investment.

Make no mistake, Cousins was growing as an NFL QB here in Washington, the question about that growth is now how much will he continue to do so between now and opening day 2018. Getting acclimated to his new teammates, terminology, nuisances of the new offense, and mastering the playbook, suggests that there's not going to be a lot of time to work on his game. Win now says we're all championship ready, there will be no acceptance to losing games where the rationale is, our QB is still getting to where he needs to be.

The writer took another look at Kirk the player, which is fair, I'm looking at a longer view that includes the writer's perspective and what surely comes to signing a big time free agent contract.

I say he sounds about like a Skins fan circa 2015. You know, one of those guys who kinda felt they shouldnt be moving on from the chosen one.

 

[skinsdad62]

Interesting article, one I'm sure that some will dismiss as either hating or coming from an ill informed writer. Here's my take:

I think that it's a mistake for Kirk to sign with a current contender, the expectations will be great and situations like that for him offers little to no upside. Should he win it all, which BTW; is his must in these places, he'll be seen as the missing piece to a ready made championship squad. After that the expectations only get higher for him and his new team. The danger in a venture like this is, failing to get to, and win, a SB. At that point he'll be seen as an over paid bust that didn't deliver on that heavy investment.

Make no mistake, Cousins was growing as an NFL QB here in Washington, the question about that growth is now how much will he continue to do so between now and opening day 2018. Getting acclimated to his new teammates, terminology, nuisances of the new offense, and mastering the playbook, suggests that there's not going to be a lot of time to work on his game. Win now says we're all championship ready, there will be no acceptance to losing games where the rationale is, our QB is still getting to where he needs to be.

The writer took another look at Kirk the player, which is fair, I'm looking at a longer view that includes the writer's perspective and what surely comes to signing a big time free agent contract.

i am going to disagree with you here sty , if its me i am going to reach for greatness and believe in me and that is what KC should do . professionals dont run away from a challenge the run to it . if foles can do it so can KC

 

[Stymietee]

i am going to disagree with you here sty , if its me i am going to reach for greatness and believe in me and that is what KC should do . professionals dont run away from a challenge the run to it . if foles can do it so can KC

The challenge is with a team that's not expected to do much, a team without Kirk such as the Vikings are already expected to push for a championship as they just did. Jordan took the Bulls, Montana took the 49'ers, Cousins should reach for greatness because he believes in himself, where a true challenge exists.

 

[Sharkinva]

The challenge is with a team that's not expected to do much, a team without Kirk such as the Vikings are already expected to push for a championship as they just did. Jordan took the Bulls, Montana took the 49'ers, Cousins should reach for greatness because he believes in himself, where a true challenge exists.

Well shit with that line of Logic, Peyton Manning should have been ALL over the chance to come to Washington back in 2012 dontcha think??

 

[Stymietee]

Well shit with that line of Logic, Peyton Manning should have been ALL over the chance to come to Washington back in 2012 dontcha think??

Really?? Peyton was 35 at the time and looking less for "challenges to greatness" than in maintaining the same. BTW; what he had/ has Kirk hasn't sniffed yet. The greatest and more sustaining challenge for Kirk is not with a ready made team, but one on which he leaves his own mark.

SN: I believe that Cleveland will be going with A.J. ( there's at least one report on it)

 

[Breed]

I think that it's a mistake for Kirk to sign with a current contender, the expectations will be great and situations like that for him offers little to no upside.

If KC n his agent manage to wrangle 30 mill or so per. The expectations to win a title will be there regardless where he signs. He'll likely get more time to do so in Cleveland than in Denver, but the expectations no matter the location will all lead to the same place eventually.

If he goes to a team that has a significant difference in offensive philosophy than Jay Gruden. One thing that will be interesting will be if his new HC or OC shows some flexibility and incorporates some of Gruden's offense into his own.

 

[Breed]

Alex is Better ..Mic drop peice mutha fukas. In the words of 2 live crew " fuck Cousins fuck fuck cousins"

You can't drop a mic for another man. That's not how a mic drop works.

TLC has a song advocating for peeps to fuck their cousins?

 

[Stymietee]

If KC n his agent manage to wrangle 30 mill or so per. The expectations to win a title will be there regardless where he signs. He'll likely get more time to do so in Cleveland than in Denver, but the expectations no matter the location will all lead to the same place eventually.

If he goes to a team that has a significant difference in offensive philosophy than Jay Gruden. One thing that will be interesting will be if his new HC or OC shows some flexibility and incorporates some of Gruden's offense into his own.

Well, since you bought up Cleveland let's put our focus there for the sake of this particular conversation. In that city, in this time, if Kirk Cousins can as you say, wrangle 30 million or so per, he cannot lose the PR war if he fails.

Let's start with the negatives most of which comes down to the team remaining as putrid as they are with him in tow. Yes, it would not be a good thing from a winning perspective, but it's doubtful that anyone blame the player over the team for maintaining its reputation of QB destroyer. Right now, the description of the Browns goes something like, " the place where careers come to die."

The positives beyond not having to worry about being blamed for failures are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc, etc, etc, which means beginning with victory #1, something that the Browns haven't seen in two years now, his legend grows. The higher the win total the greater his legend is cemented into Cleveland lore. I stopped at 8 above because I believe that's what Kirk gives you on his own or with little help, 7 -10 wins, with really good to exceptional talent around him he could figuratively be the next Nick Foles, and win it all. Falling short of that they still erect statues in his honor just for bring them out of the slime pit that they currently find themselves. BTW; I think the browns go A.J. over Kirk and draft a rookie with that #4 pick.

Some people here want to scoff at how much HC's can and do influence the success of their QB's. I'm sure that coaches "borrow" from one another all of the time so incorporating some aspect of the Gruden scheme will be there, I sincerely doubt that there will be enough of it to yield the same results that he got here. For Kirk the results could be better and could be worse. Right now, who knows?

 

[skinsdad62]

The challenge is with a team that's not expected to do much, a team without Kirk such as the Vikings are already expected to push for a championship as they just did. Jordan took the Bulls, Montana took the 49'ers, Cousins should reach for greatness because he believes in himself, where a true challenge exists.

i disagree again

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I think the browns in the past 3 years just want to win on draft day if they care about winning they would not keep lol worst coach ever hue Jackson

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

If Kirk goes to the vikes any thing less then a Superbowl is a bust season but I can say if redskins don't make it to a Superbowl it's a bust season so from a PR stand point Kirk is doomed in minny he is better off going to a Denver or the cards

 

[Breed]

Well, since you bought up Cleveland let's put our focus there for the sake of this particular conversation. In that city, in this time, if Kirk Cousins can as you say, wrangle 30 million or so per, he cannot lose the PR war if he fails.

Let's start with the negatives most of which comes down to the team remaining as putrid as they are with him in tow. Yes, it would not be a good thing from a winning perspective, but it's doubtful that anyone blame the player over the team for maintaining its reputation of QB destroyer. Right now, the description of the Browns goes something like, " the place where careers come to die."

The positives beyond not having to worry about being blamed for failures are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc, etc, etc, which means beginning with victory #1, something that the Browns haven't seen in two years now, his legend grows. The higher the win total the greater his legend is cemented into Cleveland lore. I stopped at 8 above because I believe that's what Kirk gives you on his own or with little help, 7 -10 wins, with really good to exceptional talent around him he could figuratively be the next Nick Foles, and win it all. Falling short of that they still erect statues in his honor just for bring them out of the slime pit that they currently find themselves. BTW; I think the browns go A.J. over Kirk and draft a rookie with that #4 pick.

Some people here want to scoff at how much HC's can and do influence the success of their QB's. I'm sure that coaches "borrow" from one another all of the time so incorporating some aspect of the Gruden scheme will be there, I sincerely doubt that there will be enough of it to yield the same results that he got here. For Kirk the results could be better and could be worse. Right now, who knows?

Didn't Cleveland's Jackson work with Gruden at Cincy? That would be a bonus for both KC and Cleveland I would imagine. While I agree with your take. With all the early round picks they've managed to accumulate. Whatever mojo that has a LAPD choke-hold on their ass has to start loosening up....right? And if Kirk could lead them to 7 wins with little to no help, and he gets some help to bump that up 1-3 games and I mean mostly solid wins, not like the lady luck rode with the team all year Raiders of 2016 or 2012 Redskins. Maybe even going .500 against their division rivals. I'd opine expectations would be sky high come 2019.

 

[BottleWalk]

If Kirk goes to the vikes any thing less then a Superbowl is a bust season but I can say if redskins don't make it to a Superbowl it's a bust season so from a PR stand point Kirk is doomed in minny he is better off going to a Denver or the cards

I think the vikings know, just as well as Kirk and everyone else with common sense does, that the vikings, with or without Kirk, would regress hard this season from last season. They wouldn't be able to be 13-3 again even if they signed Drew Brees and there are many reasons for that. That team was not as good as their record and they should be happy to make the playoffs next season given that they are not the favorites in their own division and the rest of the conference is extremely strong.

In the long term the vikings and broncos would be trying to win a SB if they signed Kirk but neither would do it in 2018 and that would not be a failure.

Now even if you gave him the perfect circumstances I'm not sure Kirk would have the nerves to make throws like the throws that Foles made in the SB, but then again worse qbs than him have done great things when they've been given the pieces.