Kirk Cousins' QB Comparisons

[SoCalWizFan]

Or you could consider that guys like Dalton and Cousins are just good enough to keep the team from making dumb desperate moves to chase after the golden franchise QB long enough to build a complete team. Because lets be real, if Kirk fails the majority of skins fans will be split along two lines at the end of the season. One side will say its a good thing we picked up Voldemorts option and maybe we can finally get a good coach in to work with him. because make no mistake if Kirk fails and we are a 4-12 team again Gruden gets fired.

The other side will be the ones admitting that NONE of the QBs we had this year were worth a crap, but will also go into Snyder mode and scream that we need to do what ever it takes to draft Goff/Cook or some other QB.

I would be very concerned re: your last paragraph if this were a few years ago. However - with SM I just don't see this happening. First of all - I don't believe that he (& even Snyder) will be so quick to pull the trigger on Gruden & even Cousins (assuming that they don't experience a complete disaster like losing just about all of their remaining games to include blowouts & many multi-turnover games).

Beyond that - SM will no doubt be looking at the bigger picture and not just the QB position. He also doesn't have a track record of trying to get the elite high pick out of college to be the next QB. I feel confident he will do the prudent thing in this case. People need to get out of the mindset of viewing this team exactly like they did in the past & assuming that the Redskins moving forward will run the team like some emotional fan. This is a new era.

 

[skinsdad62]

why is getting your team to the playoffs for 3 years in a row (and most likely 4) a bad thing for the bengals or us ?

you cant make a superbowl if you are not there and being a perennial playoff team gives you the shot at a superbowl

if i am a fan i would be thrilled to be in the playoffs for 3-4 years in a row

 

[Sharkinva]

And before Dauton they were not a complete team. Is there really an argument that they've been a pretty complete team the last few years? How'd that work out for them?

Better than chasing after the franchise QB year after year.

 

[Tubbs1518]

The Redskins and the Bengals aren't all that different in terms of teams tbh. The Redskins have a nice duo of running backs and a good offensive line. Bengals have better weapons at WR and TE, but Garcon, Jackson, Crowder and Reed are good weapons. The defenses are pretty close so far, though I give the Bengals a slight edge because they have shown they can be a top tier defense. However, Murphy and Kerrigan are very good with Smith as a good backup. Breeland is a stud.

The difference between Dalton being able to take that Bengals team to the playoffs and Cousins not being able to take the Redskins is the turnovers. While Dalton didn't blow people away, he didn't give games away often either, unless it was a prime time or playoff game of course. Most Bengals fans were ready to give up on Dalton after these 4 years tho because he couldn't get it done in the playoffs. So far this year he seems like a different Dalton so we will see how that goes as the season continues.

Point being, if Cousins can't take this team to a SB, he doesn't need to be your QB. Playoffs are nice, but at some point, that isn't enough. If Dalton turns back to the same old Dalton, I'll have no issue getting rid of him in Cincinnati.

 

[Stymietee]

The Redskins and the Bengals aren't all that different in terms of teams tbh. The Redskins have a nice duo of running backs and a good offensive line. Bengals have better weapons at WR and TE, but Garcon, Jackson, Crowder and Reed are good weapons. The defenses are pretty close so far, though I give the Bengals a slight edge because they have shown they can be a top tier defense. However, Murphy and Kerrigan are very good with Smith as a good backup. Breeland is a stud.

The difference between Dalton being able to take that Bengals team to the playoffs and Cousins not being able to take the Redskins is the turnovers. While Dalton didn't blow people away, he didn't give games away often either, unless it was a prime time or playoff game of course. Most Bengals fans were ready to give up on Dalton after these 4 years tho because he couldn't get it done in the playoffs. So far this year he seems like a different Dalton so we will see how that goes as the season continues.

Point being, if Cousins can't take this team to a SB, he doesn't need to be your QB. Playoffs are nice, but at some point, that isn't enough. If Dalton turns back to the same old Dalton, I'll have no issue getting rid of him in Cincinnati.

Really appreciate your honesty......BTW: I couldn't agree more about the differences in making the playoffs and winning a SB. Right now most here will settle for consistent play, but as you say as a team moves up the food chain the demands grow. Right now, those who choose to compare Daulton and Cousins should heed your insight. Thanks!!!

 

[Tubbs1518]

Really appreciate your honesty......BTW: I couldn't agree more about the differences in making the playoffs and winning a SB. Right now most here will settle for consistent play, but as you say as a team moves up the food chain the demands grow. Right now, those who choose to compare Daulton and Cousins should heed your insight. Thanks!!!

No problem. There's a fine line between when to give up on a guy and giving him enough time to grow. This league is a win now league and if you can't, especially at QB, you rarely get time to grow. It took Dalton 5 years to get to where he is right now. Lots of growing pains with him and lots of fans wanting to give up on him. Now fans are glad they didn't, but they bitched a whole lot along the way. Cousins has shows some good stuff this year and if the coaches think there's a chance he is the guy, then you let him grow and build the team around him. The other big thing for Dalton was continuity. Marvin has been the HC here his entire career and he has only had 2 OCs. Hue has really made a huge difference for him too. The right coaches can really help a QB grow. I don't think Gruden is the answer at HC for you all, he wasn't a great OC and I don't think he was ready to be HC. I'm not sure if Cousins can take that next step with him there.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The Redskins and the Bengals aren't all that different in terms of teams tbh. The Redskins have a nice duo of running backs and a good offensive line. Bengals have better weapons at WR and TE, but Garcon, Jackson, Crowder and Reed are good weapons. The defenses are pretty close so far, though I give the Bengals a slight edge because they have shown they can be a top tier defense. However, Murphy and Kerrigan are very good with Smith as a good backup. Breeland is a stud.

The difference between Dalton being able to take that Bengals team to the playoffs and Cousins not being able to take the Redskins is the turnovers. While Dalton didn't blow people away, he didn't give games away often either, unless it was a prime time or playoff game of course. Most Bengals fans were ready to give up on Dalton after these 4 years tho because he couldn't get it done in the playoffs. So far this year he seems like a different Dalton so we will see how that goes as the season continues.

Point being, if Cousins can't take this team to a SB, he doesn't need to be your QB. Playoffs are nice, but at some point, that isn't enough. If Dalton turns back to the same old Dalton, I'll have no issue getting rid of him in Cincinnati.

So let me ask you this. If thy decide that Daulton just can't get it done when it really matters and go in another direction do you consider that chasing the golden QB or realizing that having a really good QB gives you a much better chance of winning a ring?

Daulton has 1 TD and 6 picks in four playoff losses. I get the frustration, if he stays at that level you have no chance of getting past where you are. But he's still young, like Kirk the book has not been written yet.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I've said many time if Dalton can't get it done get rid of him. The point in the NFL is to win championships and if he can't do that he shouldn't be your QB. I'd rather cut him and suck and take a QB high than lose in the first round of the playoffs over and over and over. I'll take my chances with a new QB than thay.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

That's been my position as well but it's obviously been debated here. There is no question in my mind that you are facing an uphill battle trying to win a ring with an average QB and the stats really do show that. But it has been done and as dad says we can pick and chose our examples, the fact is it's worked both ways.

But looking at a team like Cincy (who by the way is way ahead of Washington regarding the other 52 players IMO) it's pretty clear to me that it's beating the odds to try to win a ring with the Andy Daulton of the past.

 

[Tubbs1518]

That's been my position as well but it's obviously been debated here. There is no question in my mind that you are facing an uphill battle trying to win a ring with an average QB and the stats really do show that. But it has been done and as dad says we can pick and chose our examples, the fact is it's worked both ways.

But looking at a team like Cincy (who by the way is way ahead of Washington regarding the other 52 players IMO) it's pretty clear to me that it's beating the odds to try to win a ring with the Andy Daulton of the past.

This years Andy Dalton isn't an average QB so far tho. He is playing like a top 5 QB. That should give you all hope that a QB can evolve and grow into a great QB, even if he isn't one right away. QB's take 3-5 years to really finish developing, but most QBs never get that long unless they get immediate success. The problem with depending on an average QB to get you a Super Bowl, is that the game has changed since average QBs were winning SBs. Flacco is the main guy recently I can think of, but he hit a ridiculous hot streak that post season. That is pretty much your only chance with an average QB. IMO if you don't have the QB to get you that SB, you keep trying till you get it. Those big time players you have will only stay in Washington and in their prime for so long, you can't just flounder in mediocrity for too long.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This years Andy Dalton isn't an average QB so far tho. He is playing like a top 5 QB. That should give you all hope that a QB can evolve and grow into a great QB, even if he isn't one right away. QB's take 3-5 years to really finish developing, but most QBs never get that long unless they get immediate success. The problem with depending on an average QB to get you a Super Bowl, is that the game has changed since average QBs were winning SBs. Flacco is the main guy recently I can think of, but he hit a ridiculous hot streak that post season. That is pretty much your only chance with an average QB. IMO if you don't have the QB to get you that SB, you keep trying till you get it. Those big time players you have will only stay in Washington and in their prime for so long, you can't just flounder in mediocrity for too long.

No question Andy Daulton is not average so far this year. But let's not get carried away on October 16th, he still needs to prove it in January. And the next January and the next.

As I've said a dozen times Flacco and before that Eli, are just hard QBs to figure out. They are the poster children for the "you don't need a top QB" crowd. But like you said they played like a top QB when it mattered and they won big. They revert to form and their team is dismissed.

Me? I'll take my chances on a top QB and worry about the rest of the roster later. We saw in 2012 (and in 1991 for that matter) just how good QB play can elevate a team and what happens when that QB stops playing over his head.

 

[Sportster 72]

Redskins have had two top of the draft QBs over the last 20 years. You have been way better off with Andy Daulton.

 

[Stymietee]

Redskins have had two top of the draft QBs over the last 20 years. You have been way better off with Andy Daulton.

Meh........Same results here even if they had Peyton in his prime!!

 

[BeaReylo]

I see Capt Kirk as a, slightly, more dangerous Matt Schaub. I get that comparison more because I see Jay in the same vein as Kubiac in Hous. Great Xs and Os guy; can be solid to good in the season but coming up short in the post season.

 

[ehb5]

I see Capt Kirk as a, slightly, more dangerous Matt Schaub. I get that comparison more because I see Jay in the same vein as Kubiac in Hous. Great Xs and Os guy; can be solid to good in the season but coming up short in the post season.

You see him getting there? Or you see him as that now? Cuz that seems crazy to me

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Meh........Same results here even if they had Peyton in his prime!!

Not a chance. The biggest problem this team has had over the last 20 years is poor QB play. We saw what Peyton could do with a pretty average team around him. We saw what a guy like Derick Anderson can do. He played at Pro Bowl level one magical year in '07 and the Browns made the playoffs. He reverted to form the following year and not coincidentally so did the Browns.

 

[ehb5]

Not a chance. The biggest problem this team has had over the last 20 years is poor QB play. We saw what Peyton could do with a pretty average team around him. We saw what a guy like Derick Anderson can do. He played at Pro Bowl level one magical year in '07 and the Browns made the playoffs. He reverted to form the following year and not coincidentally so did the Browns.

Even look here in DC. The one year we got great QB play from RG3 we won 10 games with a very thin roster.

 

[Stymietee]

Not a chance. The biggest problem this team has had over the last 20 years is poor QB play. We saw what Peyton could do with a pretty average team around him. We saw what a guy like Derick Anderson can do. He played at Pro Bowl level one magical year in '07 and the Browns made the playoffs. He reverted to form the following year and not coincidentally so did the Browns.

Problem is, during that time the teams here would have needed significant upgrades to even get to pretty average.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Even look here in DC. The one year we got great QB play from RG3 we won 10 games with a very thin roster.

I honestly don't know what more to say to posters who can't see how QB play can change a team. The evidence is so clear to see. We had virtually the same roster in '12 and '13 and went from 10 wins to 3.

 

[ehb5]

I honestly don't know what more to say to posters who can't see how QB play can change a team. The evidence is so clear to see. We had virtually the same roster in '12 and '13 and went from 10 wins to 3.

Yup. This roster isn't bad with a legit qb we're a playoff contender.