Kap vs Smith Talks: No more

[purguy12]

This should put an end to it. Great win by the 49ers and Kap. We are going back to our old offense and I love it. Run it with Gore and Hyde and then play action with kap. Love it. We have one of the best RB combos in the league.

3-2 with 4 pro bowlers out. I will take it

 

[purguy12]

oh yeah and our best CB out.

 

[Number7]

This "story" won't really come up anymore since we won't play the Chiefs for another 4 years. Not to mention the Chiefs won't beat out both the Broncos AND the Chargers so no one will care. This was a big story because we played them, so it should be over now. Smith is a good QB, I like him a lot, but that last drive just highlights his weaknesses - without the threat of a run game he buckles. When he HAS to throw it's going to be tough sledding for them. When he has the lead he is the most annoying QB to have to deal with since those 5-9 yard passes are tough to defend, but once they get behind with not much to go, it's hard to win.

That is where Kap differs. He's probably not as accurate and not as good of a pocket passer but those 3rd down runs to pick up firsts are hard to qualify. It makes him an above average QB when his other numbers say otherwise.

 

[cmc_rebar]

1 td is all he could get...that has me worried...

 

[Robotech]

This "story" won't really come up anymore since we won't play the Chiefs for another 4 years. Not to mention the Chiefs won't beat out both the Broncos AND the Chargers so no one will care. This was a big story because we played them, so it should be over now. Smith is a good QB, I like him a lot, but that last drive just highlights his weaknesses - without the threat of a run game he buckles. When he HAS to throw it's going to be tough sledding for them. When he has the lead he is the most annoying QB to have to deal with since those 5-9 yard passes are tough to defend, but once they get behind with not much to go, it's hard to win.

That is where Kap differs. He's probably not as accurate and not as good of a pocket passer but those 3rd down runs to pick up firsts are hard to qualify. It makes him an above average QB when his other numbers say otherwise.

Kaep's other numbers really aren't that bad. Since he became the starting QB, Kaep is probably somewhere in the top 10 in passer rating.

 

[purguy12]

This "story" won't really come up anymore since we won't play the Chiefs for another 4 years. Not to mention the Chiefs won't beat out both the Broncos AND the Chargers so no one will care. This was a big story because we played them, so it should be over now. Smith is a good QB, I like him a lot, but that last drive just highlights his weaknesses - without the threat of a run game he buckles. When he HAS to throw it's going to be tough sledding for them. When he has the lead he is the most annoying QB to have to deal with since those 5-9 yard passes are tough to defend, but once they get behind with not much to go, it's hard to win.

That is where Kap differs. He's probably not as accurate and not as good of a pocket passer but those 3rd down runs to pick up firsts are hard to qualify. It makes him an above average QB when his other numbers say otherwise.

I agree 100%. Im a big Smith fan and hope he wins at KC but this game showed why they went with Kap. That last drive by smith was a joke. Kap has the it factor. Is Kap perfect no but he knows how to win and with him u are never out of the game.

 

[purguy12]

1 td is all he could get...that has me worried...

We scored almost on every drive. I think we punt the ball 2 times or something like that. Points is all I ask for and Kap did that.

 

[69er]

We scored almost on every drive. I think we punt the ball 2 times or something like that. Points is all I ask for and Kap did that.

Fake punts, generous ball spotting, 12 men on the field helped our drive. He was almost intercepted 3 times today and his accuracy is once again killing drives. That's not to say its all his fault but seriously, the only difference between him and Alex in '11 is that Kap gives up more turnovers

 

[optimist4720]

Actually, Kap's stats and Alex's numbers are almost exactly the same in every category....Kap is better at 3rd down conversion ratio which was horrid under Alex..year in and year out. We waited 7 years to get good numbers out of Alex and he was still marginal in many categories. Kap at least can throw the ball down field and streatch a defense...but needs more Arc on the ball throwing long. Todays long throws were much better in this regard as the point at which the ball came down was ~5-10 yards further than he normally throws to. Well done on long throws today

 

[Kinzu]

Can we combine 1st half Smith with 2nd half Kaep? Perfect QB right there

 

[purguy12]

Fake punts, generous ball spotting, 12 men on the field helped our drive. He was almost intercepted 3 times today and his accuracy is once again killing drives. That's not to say its all his fault but seriously, the only difference between him and Alex in '11 is that Kap gives up more turnovers

Boooooo Hater alet. The guy showed why he is better the Smith today. Just stop it man u look bad.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I always supported Smith when he was the 49er QB. Think he is a great guy. Yesterday was vintage Alex. Mostly checkdowns and throws underneath little beyond 10 yards. I think Kap is still the better option despite his flaws.

 

[Genus49]

Fake punts, generous ball spotting, 12 men on the field helped our drive. He was almost intercepted 3 times today and his accuracy is once again killing drives. That's not to say its all his fault but seriously, the only difference between him and Alex in '11 is that Kap gives up more turnovers

That's ridiculous. Alex Smith is a limited QB. That doesn't mean he's bad but it means the defense knows what they don't have to worry about with him.

When your defense knows they don't have to worry about the opposing QB going over the top that makes their life that much easier. How many times did we see Alex struggle when the defense and/or running game had bad games?

What happened in the Giants game in the NFCCG? Everyone wants to blame Kyle Williams but how many chances did Alex and the offense have the way the defense played in that 2nd half? How many 3 and outs did we have because Alex was too afraid to pull the trigger. Playing not to lose only takes you so far. If the rest of the team isn't clicking on all cylinders or you don't win the turnover battle(which happened pretty much every game in 2011) then you have to step up.

Thinking Alex offered the same amount to this team as Colin is nuts. Alex was heading into his 6th year as a pro. Colin is just in his 4th season and 2nd season going into the season as a starter.

The numbers in their 16 start seasons under Harbaugh are very similar.

Alex: 61.3% 3144 17 5 52 179 2
Colin: 58.4% 3197 21 8 92 524 4

Alex had the better accuracy%, 3 less picks. Colin had 4 more TDs and obviously more dangerous on the ground. All that while facing much tougher schedule/defenses and playing most of the year with only two legit passing targets.

The way people like to talk it's like Alex threw for 40 TDs with 5 picks while Colin threw for 20+ picks.

For someone who takes a lot more shots down the field and is willing to throw into coverage way more than Alex ever did his turnover numbers are very small.

Anyone still thinking going to Colin was a mistake has some terrible judgment.

 

[purguy12]

That's ridiculous. Alex Smith is a limited QB. That doesn't mean he's bad but it means the defense knows what they don't have to worry about with him.

When your defense knows they don't have to worry about the opposing QB going over the top that makes their life that much easier. How many times did we see Alex struggle when the defense and/or running game had bad games?

What happened in the Giants game in the NFCCG? Everyone wants to blame Kyle Williams but how many chances did Alex and the offense have the way the defense played in that 2nd half? How many 3 and outs did we have because Alex was too afraid to pull the trigger. Playing not to lose only takes you so far. If the rest of the team isn't clicking on all cylinders or you don't win the turnover battle(which happened pretty much every game in 2011) then you have to step up.

Thinking Alex offered the same amount to this team as Colin is nuts. Alex was heading into his 6th year as a pro. Colin is just in his 4th season and 2nd season going into the season as a starter.

The numbers in their 16 start seasons under Harbaugh are very similar.

Alex: 61.3% 3144 17 5 52 179 2
Colin: 58.4% 3197 21 8 92 524 4

Alex had the better accuracy%, 3 less picks. Colin had 4 more TDs and obviously more dangerous on the ground. All that while facing much tougher schedule/defenses and playing most of the year with only two legit passing targets.

The way people like to talk it's like Alex threw for 40 TDs with 5 picks while Colin threw for 20+ picks.

For someone who takes a lot more shots down the field and is willing to throw into coverage way more than Alex ever did his turnover numbers are very small.

Anyone still thinking going to Colin was a mistake has some terrible judgment.

I agree 100% Well said.

 

[MHSL82]

I'm the biggest Alex Smith supporter here, but I agree the right choice was made.

Kaepernick is younger, stronger, faster, less hesitant to use his strong arm, was HarBaalke's guy, and will only get better with developing. Plus, we turned that into give draft picks and was cheaper. Smith wouldn't have signed a pay as you go contract either. I have NEVER argued that Smith was better or the choice was wrong.

Having said that, if you are trying to put much stock on this game, I don't think you can, honestly. Both QBs win often, both have similar stats when they were here, and both have had game winning drives (something that is being suggested as a knock on Smith by focusing on this game), both have lost games at the end either by INTs or not scoring, etc.

I'm not a fan of taking one game, even head to head, to settle things. Smith on the Niners would have beat Smith on the Chiefs. Smith in the Niners may actually beat Kaepernick on the Chiefs. Add in that the Chiefs were on the road and that handicaps it a bit - as we could have lost at Arrowhead. I know Kaepernick has a great road record in the playoffs, but you can't just copy and paste that. It's one game, one throw and is be defending Kaepernick if that Lloyd pass were intercepted. It's more than one game that makes Kaepernick > Smith and this game did nothing to that, even if the Chiefs pulled it off.

Kaepernick has won more playoff games, but that's a team thing. We would have a different gameplan with Smith against Atlanta and Green Bay and Seattle. I trust our coaching staff not only with the decision but to give us a chance to win those games with Smith.

 

[willtalk]

Why do people compare the 49er team in 2011 with the Niner teams that followed. They were not the same. the 2011 team rode a perfect wave to the play offs. Everything fell into place. The only injury they suffered was the one that took out Ginn and we all know what a major impact even that single one had on the playoff outcome. Many players had career years, Rodgers, Aikers and we all know how badly they played the next two years. The team as a whole set an NFL record fro turn over margin in 2011. The next year the differential dropped by 19. That is huge. To assume that Alex would have had the same success with the team after the injuries started happening during the later part of the 2012 season is taking a lot for granted. Not only were many players getting older but the injuries to the receivers and Hunter impacted the effectiveness of Gore towards the end of the season. He was worn out and it was fortunate that they had a throw away game and a bye week to rest him up for the playoffs.

The Alex led team relied on Aikers to score field goals and the special teams and defense to create good field position. Special teams declined drastically. Especially Aikers who went from a career year to his to horrible. After the Smith Br. became injured was giving up 29 pts per game on average. So much for ball control. Every season creates a different scenario. Remember the Giants who won the Super bowl didn't even make it back to the playoffs the next year. Teams change year to year. Players leave via free agency and others age. It also requires a degree of luck. You need to get some calls and the right match ups in the play offs. Oh the Niner's in 2011 also played a weak schedule.

Any one who compares the the team that Alex had and the success Alex had with them to the team after the injuries starting with the middle of the 2012 season is not considering the different variables that those teams faced. But that is exactly what most of you do. Tell me I am wrong about the differences that I pointed out between the 2011 and 2012 and you could also add the 2013/14 seasons in as well. Just stop with the delusion that Alex would have taken the team to and won the Superbowl based on the results of the 2011 season.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Why do people compare the 49er team in 2011 with the Niner teams that followed. They were not the same. the 2011 team rode a perfect wave to the play offs. Everything fell into place. The only injury they suffered was the one that took out Ginn and we all know what a major impact even that single one had on the playoff outcome. Many players had career years, Rodgers, Aikers and we all know how badly they played the next two years. The team as a whole set an NFL record fro turn over margin in 2011. The next year the differential dropped by 19. That is huge. To assume that Alex would have had the same success with the team after the injuries started happening during the later part of the 2012 season is taking a lot for granted. Not only were many players getting older but the injuries to the receivers and Hunter impacted the effectiveness of Gore towards the end of the season. He was worn out and it was fortunate that they had a throw away game and a bye week to rest him up for the playoffs.

The Alex led team relied on Aikers to score field goals and the special teams and defense to create good field position. Special teams declined drastically. Especially Aikers who went from a career year to his to horrible. After the Smith Br. became injured was giving up 29 pts per game on average. So much for ball control. Every season creates a different scenario. Remember the Giants who won the Super bowl didn't even make it back to the playoffs the next year. Teams change year to year. Players leave via free agency and others age. It also requires a degree of luck. You need to get some calls and the right match ups in the play offs. Oh the Niner's in 2011 also played a weak schedule.

Any one who compares the the team that Alex had and the success Alex had with them to the team after the injuries starting with the middle of the 2012 season is not considering the different variables that those teams faced. But that is exactly what most of you do. Tell me I am wrong about the differences that I pointed out between the 2011 and 2012 and you could also add the 2013/14 seasons in as well. Just stop with the delusion that Alex would have taken the team to and won the Superbowl based on the results of the 2011 season.

Very well stated. I agree

 

[Pattersonca65]

Laurinaitis: Kaepernick no longer a one-read quarterback | CSN Bay Area

Interesting perspective from a Rams defender.

 

[HubertJubberman]

Still wont get a you Super Bowl

 

[Pattersonca65]

Still wont get a you Super Bowl

No player by himself is going to win a super bowl. It is a team game