Kaepernick looking for $18 million per year

[Caynine29]

No offense man, but that's typical homer talk. We as fans like to act like we know what the star player is thinking behind the scenes. In reality, we have no idea. Every year, after a team wins the SB all the fans start talking about keeping the team together and "hometown discounts" and how a certain player is not money driven. I remember all of Baltimore talking about it with Joe Flaco. If RW has another solid year, he will be asking for 20mil+. It's the NFL and they ALL play for the money.

^^^This^^^

Seriously. I had some guy tell me that Golden Tate was a "true Seahawk", becuase he was willing to take less money in order to stay on the team. Hilarious. Ask Golden Tate if he'd take league minimum if the Raiders were offering him #1 money. He'd be out the door faster than you can say "12th Man".

I like Russell Wilson... a lot. I think he's a phenomenal person and a damn good QB. But, if anybody thinks he's going to halve (exaggeration) his salary just to stay in Seattle, they're in for a rude awakening. The 'Hawks will lock this guy up long before he hits the free agent market. They'd be foolish not to. But, just because the team just won the Super Bowl, doesn't mean they're immune from salary cap woes. That's the beauty of the NFL. Hell... Sidney Rice and Red Bryant were just handed their walking papers last week.

If they've got a smart front office in Seattle (and there's no indication they aren't) they'll make things work. With the right moves, they could turn this team into a dynasty. But, 3 years with a bunch of guys on rookie contracts doesn't make them geniuses. And it certainly doesn't make any of the players any "different", either.

 

[MHSL82]

I wish the new way to show your worth was guaranteed only. That way the total could stay the same, but you can say I got 60 when he got 55. But now, they want the total and the guaranteed to go up (as all of us would).

 

[anotheridiot]

So lets get this straight, 3 out of last 4 super bowl champs are underpaid quarterbacks.

Wilson, Flacco and Rodgers before his extension.

You would think more teams would be looking for underpaid quarterbacks. Whats the use of overpaid quarterbacks when they cant win the superbowl?

 

[cdumler7]

Russ is gonna want to get paid obviously but he is a high character guy and he knows if he takes the bank it will hurt the team overall in the long run… The guy LOVES competing and wouldn't want to be a negative down the road for the team… It's gonna be interesting how it play's out… Russ knows the endorsement dollars are a big key also… I have no doubt he's gonna get a huge contract BUT I can see him not going crazy with it and coming to a reasonable figure…

Well if he really wants the endorsement deals then Seattle might not be the place for him. He can do pretty decent in that area but Dallas, New York, Miami, Chicago, and others would get him a lot more face time than he has right now. Plus most of those places would actually pay him top dollar to go to their team.

Now my question to you then is what kind of contract could he take that isn't considered an insult for the quality of player that he is but still provide the team enough room to surround him with talent? I keep seeing the number $15 million a year thrown around by some Seahawk fans and to me that is just crazy talk. The very lowest that I could see is maybe $18 million a year but that is me being nice. I think if he hit the open market right now he could easily fetch $22-25 million a year with how much the Cap is going up. So even taking $18 million a year when he could be getting that much is like telling a guy to miss out in the next 5 years on $20-35 million. You have to remember Wilson is very business smart in he knows how to market himself and has some big time dreams for his future beyond just football.

So again what is a "Reasonable figure" in your head?

 

[cowboycolors]

A solid response and I knew I was open for debate when I wrote that sentence. IMO, just because a manager on a losing team thought Revis was worth $16Million, doesn't mean that is now the market.
Regarding Romo, look at your cap situation and if you are happy with Tony's expense against the cap, then that is what is important. I see a team that will be $15M over the cap who's QB will have a cap hit of a little over $21M. You can't cut him though because $41M will be dead money.
My opinion is that he just isn't worth that kind of $.

oh I understand the cap hit. I wanted Romo to not get extended and play out the year giving the Cowboys options. And to be honest Tony needed a fresh start somewhere else not because I don't like him but because he deserves it. Wont happen now

Jerry and the cap are what can I say AWFUL

The contract is at the supply and demand of NFL QB's its just 1 that Jerry should have not given out.

The Colts did the right deal with Manning and the Cowboys should have followed suit but had nobody to Replace Romo so ........

Typical Jerry Jones

 

[WizardHawk]

Especially if his desire to be an owner (even a partial one) is something he's actually going for.

Top flight athletes make far more money than their team contracts. He is already becoming a hot commodity and his stock is only rising. He will make a fortune off of advertising and it will far surpass his salary with the team. His financial goals are not a factor here. He wants to win above all else and is driven to do anything to get there. That desire to win at all costs will likely have him telling his agent to fuck off when he demands he goes for top dollar. How much will he be willing to accept below his actual value? That will be a subject of debate for more the next full year won't it.

 

[JDM]

Top flight athletes make far more money than their team contracts. He is already becoming a hot commodity and his stock is only rising. He will make a fortune off of advertising and it will far surpass his salary with the team. His financial goals are not a factor here. He wants to win above all else and is driven to do anything to get there. That desire to win at all costs will likely have him telling his agent to fuck off when he demands he goes for top dollar. How much will he be willing to accept below his actual value? That will be a subject of debate for more the next full year won't it.

Not really. Peyton makes more in endorsements than salary. I don't think another NFL player comes that close. The high end after peyton is maybe $15 mil, probably a little less.

 

[Wolvie]

Market value isn't completely determined in monetary figures. You might be able to successfully low-ball other bidders if they want to play for your coach, or be on a winning team, or if they like the region. Certain states also don't have state income taxes either which is a huge boost for some teams.

But as far as Kaep goes, he doesn't strike me as a very complex individual. The fact that he has a room full of shoes speaks volumes as to the importance he places in tangible wealth. Russell Wilson on the other hand seems much more level-headed. He is a devout christian and ofter goes to the Children's hospital to try to cheer kids up. Sure we don't know what these guys are actually thinking but we come to reasonable conclusions simply based on their actions

 

[Pattersonca65]

Wow, talk about having a slanted persective. Even though Russell Wilson plays on a rival team, he seems like a really great person. Your characterization of Kaepernick is alliltte off base.

Y! SPORTS

 

[Tacoma_canuck]

As usual we get into the comparing two different QB's on rival teams with a bunch of useless B.S. Honestly, Kaepernick is still very young and learning but that 18 mil per figure is not really too far off base, imo. In this day and age of completely over-valuing the QB position as a whole and paying out ridiculous contracts to guys who have done virtually nothing of note in their careers after Thanksgiving Day ( ahem, cough, Romo/Cutler) giving this kid top dollar doesn't look so bad as long as the contract isn't for too many years. I don't know if he will lead San Fran to the promised land but he has already shown he can give them a chance. He has taken them most of the way 2 straight years and don't give me the "oh, but he has a great team around him and does nothing" crap. He has stepped up in the play-offs a lot more than some of the "veteran" QB's out there.

As for Russell Wilson, start a different thread. Let's not be a bunch of "Breaker" type people.

 

[Wolvie]

Wow, talk about having a slanted persective. Even though Russell Wilson plays on a rival team, he seems like a really great person. Your characterization of Kaepernick is alliltte off base.

Y! SPORTS

Interesting about how there aren't any pictures of Kaep's time with those kids. Its not as if the dude is camera-shy. He posed nude for a photo shoot and has posted plenty of pics with his swag or hanging out with his crew while wearing other NFL team's apparel.

If that article that you posted is in fact a 100% true snap-shot of Kaep, then he isn't self-centered. Just stupid. Stupid because he could easily change people's perceptions about him and show how he is a man of the people and not some self-centered brat. Whichever conclusion you come to, I would imagine that both are types of people who bottom-line top-dollar contract guys. Show him the money or he will find someone else who will. Nothing wrong with that. And quite frankly, the niners would be better off without him

 

[cdumler7]

Those talking about endorsement deals and how those will make up the difference and that is where the big bucks are for athletes might want to do a little research. Peyton is the top earner for the NFL in that category and he makes $13-15 million a year. So the big bucks for these top athletes comes from salary in the NFL not endorsements. You can't count on Wilson just thinking if I take a lower salary in the NFL I will make up for it in endorsements. You have to think Wilson will be lucky to get what Drew Brees gets in endorsements and that won't even happen for a few years but that is around $8 million a year. Heck right now Wilson makes under $3 million a year in endorsements so again you can't count on that side of it to help Wilson want to take less in his overall salary.


Everybody hopes that their player will take less than market value. The truth is it rarely rarely happens. There have been some very nice guys in the NFL who cared a great deal about winning like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees yet they are still two of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean those are two of the nicest guys in the NFL that most everybody loves unless you hate that they win so much. They give of their time and money to many charities across the country. Yet when it comes to contract time they still expect to be paid within market value.


To those who want to point towards Tom Brady and what he did you have to remember 1) Almost the whole deal was guaranteed which is the number if athletes really took the time to look that mattered in a contract. 2) His wife made $45 million last year so Tom taking a few million off from his is not going to bankrupt him and his family.

 

[Mondio]

I think the difference between Kaepernick and Wilson is about 20 years of maturity difference. One is about 15-17 in that dept and the other has the maturity of a 40 year old that paid attention in life and learned from all his experiences. Kaep is still young and could get there, Wilson will only get better, because he's shown he can learn from every experience. It's why he is where he is already.

 

[cdumler7]

I think the difference between Kaepernick and Wilson is about 20 years of maturity difference. One is about 15-17 in that dept and the other has the maturity of a 40 year old that paid attention in life and learned from all his experiences. Kaep is still young and could get there, Wilson will only get better, because he's shown he can learn from every experience. It's why he is where he is already.

I definitely agree with this which is why Wilson will get more than Kaep when contract talks come up. He has the better resume of the two already plus that Super Bowl ring usually means at least a few million extra in the contract. So if Kaep is getting say $18 million a year Wilson should be getting somewhere in the $22 million a year area.

 

[Pattersonca65]

"Interesting about how there aren't any pictures of Kaep's time with those kids. Its not as if the dude is camera-shy. He posed nude for a photo shoot and has posted plenty of pics with his swag or hanging out with his crew while wearing other NFL team's apparel."

This is incorrect. There are photos of him at Camp Taylor with the kids. I live in the area and the local papers reported that he was coming and he didn't want to make a media spectacle out of it.

If that article that you posted is in fact a 100% true snap-shot of Kaep, then he isn't self-centered. Just stupid. Stupid because he could easily change people's perceptions about him and show how he is a man of the people and not some self-centered brat.

Why waste time trying to change the pecerption of his detractors. They will find reasons to dislike him regardless. Saying he is all about money because of the pictures of his shoes is quite ridiculous. Is Russell Wilson all about the money because he took a photo in front of a his brand new $100,000 automobile? Of course not.

 

[cdumler7]

"Interesting about how there aren't any pictures of Kaep's time with those kids. Its not as if the dude is camera-shy. He posed nude for a photo shoot and has posted plenty of pics with his swag or hanging out with his crew while wearing other NFL team's apparel."

This is incorrect. There are photos of him at Camp Taylor with the kids. I live in the area and the local papers reported that he was coming and he didn't want to make a media spectacle out of it.

If that article that you posted is in fact a 100% true snap-shot of Kaep, then he isn't self-centered. Just stupid. Stupid because he could easily change people's perceptions about him and show how he is a man of the people and not some self-centered brat.

Why waste time trying to change the pecerption of his detractors. They will find reasons to dislike him regardless. Saying he is all about money because of the pictures of his shoes is quite ridiculous. Is Russell Wilson all about the money because he took a photo in front of a his brand new $100,000 automobile? Of course not.

I actually respect athletes more when they don't have the cameras around for every good thing they do. To me that is just a player trying to paint themselves in a better picture than they actually are. Guys who just go do great things with no expectation of good publicity show they actually care about what they are doing and would do it regardless of whether they were famous or not.

Him taking pictures of his shoes is not that big of a deal to me. We all have things that we like. Heck when I got my new Xbox One first thing I did was take a picture of it and send it to some friends.

 

[gvsulaker82]

18 per would be way too much.

 

[NCChiFan]

Oh... I know, they should franchise tag him as a RB since he runs a lot.

 

[gohusk]

I doubt anybody in the 49ers organization wants to bank their career on this guy yet. They should let the contract play out, franchise him, and then if he's shown he can develop into a guy who can get through his progression sign him for the money he's asking for. Everyone talks about how young he is but he's going to be 27. This is the point where he should be putting everything together and he hasn't.

 

[MHSL82]

In this day and age of completely over-valuing the QB position as a whole and paying out ridiculous contracts to guys who have done virtually nothing of note in their careers after Thanksgiving Day ( ahem, cough, Romo/Cutler) giving this kid top dollar doesn't look so bad as long as the contract isn't for too many years.

Not saying you, but why do people seem to cite these things as illogical? These guys (Cutler, Romo, et al) making this much makes perfect sense. Let me explain. It makes sense that teams with GMs who can't build successful football teams will panic and overpay for QBs who can't overcome their bad management skills. Those GMs that can build successful football teams know what they need to pay and how little they can spend, knowing that they can go get another. Then, when you get the Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees you pay a lot. Contracts aren't based upon the worth of the QB, it's based on the skills of the GM. Even with the elite, the GM selected them and it paid off. Well worth the money.