Justin Jefferson Signs 4/140 Contract with Vikings. 35M AAV.

[VikingFan2k2]

Hope this doesn't mean cap hell for the Vikes.

No more Kirk trying to shake us down for every last red cent.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

No more Kirk trying to shake us down for every last red cent.

You guys really need to hope McCarthy develops quickly and is, at the very least, good. As good as all the weapons are, watching Sam Darnold miss them and throw the ball to the other team will be frustrating as hell. The over/under on McCarthy starting around 5.5?

 

[VikingFan2k2]

You guys really need to hope McCarthy develops quickly and is, at the very least, good. As good as all the weapons are, watching Sam Darnold miss them and throw the ball to the other team will be frustrating as hell. The over/under on McCarthy starting around 5.5?

I don't think this year is going to be a winning one for the Vikings, the division is very tough and while we have made improvements, it is next year where the dead money from Kirk and Hunter comes off the cap and real splashes can be made in free agency.

Throw Darnold out there with the best weapons that he's had in his career and hope he can swim. If he can't, You're probably going to see JJ in week 6 or 7.

 

[DJ]

Ja'Marr Chase and CeeDee Lamb Extension Talks next year.....

Lamb isn't getting as much as JJ.

Chase will probably get JJ type money.

 

[DJ]

I don't think this year is going to be a winning one for the Vikings, the division is very tough and while we have made improvements, it is next year where the dead money from Kirk and Hunter comes off the cap and real splashes can be made in free agency.

Throw Darnold out there with the best weapons that he's had in his career and hope he can swim. If he can't, You're probably going to see JJ in week 6 or 7.

Not a bad idea to get a top 5-8 pick next year and go FA shopping to fill in the holes they need to.

 

[DJ]

You guys really need to hope McCarthy develops quickly and is, at the very least, good. As good as all the weapons are, watching Sam Darnold miss them and throw the ball to the other team will be frustrating as hell. The over/under on McCarthy starting around 5.5?

Yep.

He could be another Christian Ponder type.

Going to be interesting to see how McCarthy plays when he gets on the field. Ideally, he would not play at all but will most likely be starting by week 8-10.

Unless Darnold plays well enough for him to sit and learn.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Is that a bad thing? How many of the Pat's Lombardis were because, "thank god we had (_______) at WR" or without him we lose and he is a true #1 WR.

This is a bit off base. If you have the greatest QB of all time sure you can get by without a legit #1. But that's not going to happen again in NE and in today's game you absolutely do need a true #1 WR.

As a Washington fan this signing makes me happy as Lamb is up next and the price just got higher. After they pay Dak and CeeDee along with Parsons they are looking at a pretty thin roster for the other 50 players.

 

[ducky]

Not a bad idea to get a top 5-8 pick next year and go FA shopping to fill in the holes they need to.

Unless of course if you like being an NFL GM and coach. Vikes pick in the 5-8 spot this year and the chances of both the GM and coach having their jobs at this time next year are slim and none.

 

[DJ]

Unless of course if you like being an NFL GM and coach. Vikes pick in the 5-8 spot this year and the chances of both the GM and coach having their jobs at this time next year are slim and none.

How is O'Connell already on the hot seat?

He went 20-14 in his first 2 seasons and after letting KC go the FO has to know they rebuilding after signing Darnold and drafting McCarthy.

 

[ducky]

How is O'Connell already on the hot seat?

He went 20-14 in his first 2 seasons and after letting KC go the FO has to know they rebuilding after signing Darnold and drafting McCarthy.

They went 7-10 last year. Now people are projecting another 5-7 win season (that is what it would take to get into the top 10 like you are saying).

How many coaches dont get fired after 2 back to back 3 games under 500 seasons? Very, very, very, very few is the answer.

Its why teams dont do complete strip downs in the NFL very often. Its all about "competitive rebuilds". You lose 2 season in a row in the NFL and its not often you have a job anymore. Nature of the beast.

And remember....they made the decision to let go of Cousins. If they have a losing season because of it, it isnt a excuse....it was their choice and a choice that will look poor if they have a bad season.

If Cousins plays like he has played his whole career in ATL while JJ and Darnold are so bad that they cant win this roster, it is a huge black eye for definitely the GM but also the coach. One might survive it.....but both wont. It just matters which guy is better at throwing the other under the bus for the reason the team failed again this season (if that is what happens).

 

[DJ]

They went 7-10 last year. Now people are projecting another 5-7 win season (that is what it would take to get into the top 10 like you are saying).

How many coaches dont get fired after 2 back to back 3 games under 500 seasons? Very, very, very, very few is the answer.

Its why teams dont do complete strip downs in the NFL very often. Its all about "competitive rebuilds". You lose 2 season in a row in the NFL and its not often you have a job anymore. Nature of the beast.

And remember....they made the decision to let go of Cousins. If they have a losing season because of it, it isnt a excuse....it was their choice and a choice that will look poor if they have a bad season.

If Cousins plays like he has played his whole career in ATL while JJ and Darnold are so bad that they cant win this roster, it is a huge black eye for definitely the GM but also the coach. One might survive it.....but both wont. It just matters which guy is better at throwing the other under the bus for the reason the team failed again this season (if that is what happens).

I would be surprised if he gets fired.

Now, if they struggle in McCarthy's 2nd season? Yes.

 

[DJ]

Zimmer lasted 8 seasons and only had like 3 really good seasons.

 

[ducky]

I would be surprised if he gets fired.

Now, if they struggle in McCarthy's 2nd season? Yes.

Having a rookie QB doesnt buy you extra time in the NFL. That is a myth.

Dont get me wrong. It makes perfect sense. But coaches and GM's dont get that luxury. Go look up a list of of 1st round QB's. Quite a few of those coaches over the years havent survived the decision.

Zimmer lasted 8 seasons and only had like 3 really good seasons.

Zimmer was fired the very 1st time that he missed the playoffs 2 years in a row.

And maybe O'Connell can survive two years in a row as he has certainly shown promise (I think he is going to be a great coach). But it will mean the GM doesnt survive. An NFL team cant fail 2 years in a row without at least one head rolling.

 

[fastforward]

...After they pay Dak and CeeDee along with Parsons they are looking at a pretty thin roster for the other 50 players.

Good. A key objective of the NFL's salary cap is to prevent teams dominating for long periods of time through stockpiling talent.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Good. A key objective of the NFL's salary cap is to prevent teams dominating for long periods of time through stockpiling talent.

I’d argue it’s actually the opposite. It wants to make it hard for all but team with the top QB’s, the most efficient of all contracts almost definitionally. Which decade of the salary cap era had no dynasties?

 

[fastforward]

...And remember....they made the decision to let go of Cousins. If they have a losing season because of it, it isnt a excuse....it was their choice and a choice that will look poor if they have a bad season...

It wasn't their choice. It was Cousins' choice to sign for the Falcons.

 

[fastforward]

I’d argue it’s actually the opposite. It wants to make it hard for all but team with the top QB’s, the most efficient of all contracts almost definitionally. Which decade of the salary cap era had no dynasties?

The salary cap isn't there to stop teams from being good or becoming dynasties. Superior coaching, tactical decision making, and scouting can overcome financial constraints. That's the point. The salary cap is there to prevent teams from maintaining a 'Dream Team' level of veteran superstars.

 

[Dude]

The salary cap isn't there to stop teams from being good or becoming dynasties. Superior coaching, tactical decision making, and scouting can overcome financial constraints. That's the point. The salary cap is there to prevent teams from maintaining a 'Dream Team' level of veteran superstars.

Most of it is good negotiating along the way. The business model is there for all to see.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Unless of course if you like being an NFL GM and coach. Vikes pick in the 5-8 spot this year and the chances of both the GM and coach having their jobs at this time next year are slim and none.

I disagree. The Wilfs are extremely loyal to their staff. Spielman got way too long of a rope given that he could never find a QB and they had to throw money (A lot of money) at the problem.

If they are on board with JJ and his development, they will give KAM/KOC through 2025, even if we are picking on the top 10. I think the only thing that gets them fired is if JJ gets in and he looks like Ryan Leaf.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

It wasn't their choice. It was Cousins' choice to sign for the Falcons.

The Vikings were transparent that they were probably going to draft Kirk's replacement. He did not "like that".

And if they wanted to keep him, they could have offered him what Atlanta did. But they didn't want to pay out the nose for a guy who has gotten them to the playoffs twice in 6 years. And it's coming off an Achilles injury.

Atlanta made him an offer he couldn't refuse, after they tampered with him before they were supposed to. And they still blindsided him by hedging their bet and drafting Penix.