Just Wondering...

[ehb5]

Oh I got that. But to me saving $5M against the cap and basically starting over makes no sense. Reality is, they should have had a QB NOT named Colt McCoy on the roster in the event we got to this point. If we had a young guy learning, the idea of McCoy starting would not worry me as much. I'm not a fan of starting McCoy. But he at least has been here the past few years, and a Bridgewater, Bradford type move just reeks of well at least we didn't cave in to signing Cousins long term.

Oh yea I mean all of this is assuming TB is cheap which I may be totally wrong about. If hes gonna cost us a solid chunk of change just draft somebody. Im not throwing money at unproven QBs (which is ironically what started the belief im a kirk hater lol - see Im consistent!)

I dont mind drafting a guy and rolling with McCoy as long as the FO wont hold it against Gruden if we go 5-11 with McCoy.

Bradford I dont like and would agree it seems very ABC. Bridgewater I still think at a good price represents a chance for something new and good without tearing everything down but again I may be underestimating what he'll cost.

 

[Sharkinva]

Oh yea I mean all of this is assuming TB is cheap which I may be totally wrong about. If hes gonna cost us a solid chunk of change just draft somebody. Im not throwing money at unproven QBs (which is ironically what started the belief im a kirk hater lol - see Im consistent!)

I dont mind drafting a guy and rolling with McCoy as long as the FO wont hold it against Gruden if we go 5-11 with McCoy.

Bradford I dont like and would agree it seems very ABC. Bridgewater I still think at a good price represents a chance for something new and good without tearing everything down but again I may be underestimating what he'll cost.

Oswiler got 17 with much less of a resume than Bridgewater has,

Jimmy G is going to get right around $25 a year.

Bridgewater is going to come right in the same ballpark, maybe a smidge of a smidge lower.

As for 5-11... we were 8-8 with e Mediocre Cousins. 5-11 with McCoy who many have said is just as good as Cousins, or a rookie who is supposed to be an upgrade simply wont cut it. If We go 5-11 Grudens ass is grass and Bruce will be the John Deere.

 

[ehb5]

Oswiler got 17 with much less of a resume than Bridgewater has,

Jimmy G is going to get right around $25 a year.

Bridgewater is going to come right in the same ballpark, maybe a smidge of a smidge lower.

As for 5-11... we were 8-8 with e Mediocre Cousins. 5-11 with McCoy who many have said is just as good as Cousins, or a rookie who is supposed to be an upgrade simply wont cut it. If We go 5-11 Grudens ass is grass and Bruce will be the John Deere.

True but he doesnt fit the ideal picture of what an nfl qb should be like those guys do and hes coming off a severe injury which hasnt let him play in 2 years.

Also because Im lazy and dont wanna look it up...what his contract deal anyways? Wasnt there a chance he would hit FA? Has that been worked out yet?

I agree he probably will get fired but Id deal with that later. It is dumb though. Any new QB should give Gruden some leeway.

 

[Sharkinva]

True but he doesnt fit the ideal picture of what an nfl qb should be like those guys do and hes coming off a severe injury which hasnt let him play in 2 years.

Also because Im lazy and dont wanna look it up...what his contract deal anyways? Wasnt there a chance he would hit FA? Has that been worked out yet?

I agree he probably will get fired but Id deal with that later. It is dumb though. Any new QB should give Gruden some leeway.

The only reason Bridgewater never saw the field is because Kennum was doing the damn thing (well until yesterday in any case).

Had the Vikings been say, 2-6 at the mid way with a broke dick Bradford, and Kennum struggling... Teddy to the rescue.

As for Grudens job security... on any NORMAL franchise he would have this year and next year with or without Cousins unless we went 0-16.

If this team doesn't at least have a GOOD shot at a wild card this year..... Jay will be in Oakland with Jon for 2019.

 

[gkekoa]

Again.. do I think there is an upgrade in this draft?? MAybe.

Do I have faith we will get that guy?? Not really.

Cousins is not exciting enough.

A Brady or Wilson would require a level of faith from our front office as well as skill in evaluating talent.

At the end of the day, I don't trust Bruce and Dan when it comes to picking a QB. Because I think what they will prioritize is likely the exact opposite of what we need.

Came up with a point...oh I do like Wilson...but here is Seattle’s D (total/scoring) since he came into the league.

2012- 4 and 1...11/5
2013- 1 and 1...13/3
2014- 1 and 1...12/4
2015- 2 and 1...10/6
2016- 5 and 3...10/5/1
2017- 11 and 13...9/7

Now just imagine if KC had those defenses. Wait, it was Russell Wilson that won all those games, and KC that lost all our games.

 

[Stymietee]

Man - this franchise needs to do something to help restore faith from their fanbase. They keep going in the current direction & they won't need a very large stadium at their next location.

 

[kbso83432]

The only reason Bridgewater never saw the field is because Kennum was doing the damn thing (well until yesterday in any case).

Had the Vikings been say, 2-6 at the mid way with a broke dick Bradford, and Kennum struggling... Teddy to the rescue.

As for Grudens job security... on any NORMAL franchise he would have this year and next year with or without Cousins unless we went 0-16.

If this team doesn't at least have a GOOD shot at a wild card this year..... Jay will be in Oakland with Jon for 2019.

Jay's got to have one of the hottest seats in the league right now, and if he convinces Bruce and Dan to let him trott out Colt on week 1 he will have THE hottest seat.

 

[Stymietee]

I think a good portion of the fan base right now only really knows the Dan Snyder brand of Redskins football. Think about that for a moment.... Most of us here who can remember when the Redskins were sustainably good, have raised kids some of whom are now grown, who were not even alive the last time you were able to simply accept the Redskins would either make the playoffs or just miss them.

Todays average Redskins fan expects 6-10 and hopes for 10-6 and a wild card. I realize ticket prices have gone up, but think back to RFK, or the first few years of FedEx, the idea of covering seats to lower stadium capacity was unheard of.

The new breed of Redskins fan was raised on winning free agency, and hoping I worked during the season.

This is an excellent point...

Ironically, Cousins has been the QB of a team that's seen both the high and nearly low ends of those "6-10 and hope for a 10-6 wild card berth" campaigns. So based on this perspective, is it reasonable to see a good portion of that same fan base seeing Kirk Cousins in that light? (a 6-10 to 10 -6 type of QB because of the machinations of the front office)

Might it be a mistake to call it Kirk hating when in fact the expectation with or without him is no more than that?

We who were around to see the glory of the George Allen and/or Gibbs 1 eras have seen what sustained championship level football looks like and perhaps want to hold on to every glimmer of hope that puts on our colors. That said, Is it possible that we old hats are out of touch with what's possible in the Dan Snyder era of football ownership?

Looking back at the "winning off the field" mantra, isn't it possible to see the direction that Bruce Allen, the son of the HC who routinely mortgaged drafts because he too had a similar mantra "The future is now" is determined to take this team and reinforces the legacy of his daddy, keep his boss, a self confessed fan, happy and assures that those NFL dollars continue to pad his bottom line?

 

[ehb5]

The only reason Bridgewater never saw the field is because Kennum was doing the damn thing (well until yesterday in any case).

Had the Vikings been say, 2-6 at the mid way with a broke dick Bradford, and Kennum struggling... Teddy to the rescue.

As for Grudens job security... on any NORMAL franchise he would have this year and next year with or without Cousins unless we went 0-16.

If this team doesn't at least have a GOOD shot at a wild card this year..... Jay will be in Oakland with Jon for 2019.

Oh for sure, but that isn't something you can blame teddy for.

I'm with ya. I like gruden but he's likely gotta have this team looking good next year.

 

[ehb5]

Came up with a point...oh I do like Wilson...but here is Seattle’s D (total/scoring) since he came into the league.

2012- 4 and 1...11/5
2013- 1 and 1...13/3
2014- 1 and 1...12/4
2015- 2 and 1...10/6
2016- 5 and 3...10/5/1
2017- 11 and 13...9/7

Now just imagine if KC had those defenses. Wait, it was Russell Wilson that won all those games, and KC that lost all our games.

Well that's why QB W-L is dumb.

 

[kbso83432]

Forget about the Gibbs I era - that is ancient history. Think about the Snyder era. Just about every other NFC team other than the Skins have either been to a SB or had major success during that time. The best that the Redskins could do is the every 3 to 4 year one & done playoff appearance followed by basement dwelling.

Combine this with the fact that a fair amt of younger folks no longer care about the NFL or root for teams based on success and not their geographic location. I think all of this "winning off the field" nonsense is played out & don't think for a minute that Snyder is not aware of this. They really need to do something to kick start this organization. This idea of getting sexy picks (that don't result in wins) is nonsense and an outdated concept. Let's hope that they get this thing back on track.

The Eagles went to a Super Bowl, got bad and are now in the Super Bowl again. Numerous teams have been good, gotten bad and been really good again in the timespan that Snyder has owned this team.

We are a joke.

 

[Stymietee]

Cheaper is relative though. Will he cost $34M against the cap?? Nope. But then again Cousins shouldn't either if he is on a long term deal. Neither should he cost $30M even if the funny numbers say he makes an average of $30M a year.

Bridgewater is going to cost $22-24M to sign long term. And that's simply because of the way the QB Market is shaping up. So yea, in the end he will cost $3-5M less against the cap than what I would expect Cousins to cost. And yes he is younger. IM just not sold its worth rebuilding to save $3-5M and be able to say... we didn't sign Cousins so we win.

How are you able to use the word "Should" after posting an excellent observational piece as you did in post #32?

What this organization "should" do and their provable track record on what they've actually done are worlds apart. I do understand hope, but exchanging such hope for ten cents cons someone out of ten cents.

 

[Stymietee]

Forget about the Gibbs I era - that is ancient history. Think about the Snyder era. Just about every other NFC team other than the Skins have either been to a SB or had major success during that time. The best that the Redskins could do is the every 3 to 4 year one & done playoff appearance followed by basement dwelling.

Combine this with the fact that a fair amt of younger folks no longer care about the NFL or root for teams based on success and not their geographic location. I think all of this "winning off the field" nonsense is played out & don't think for a minute that Snyder is not aware of this. They really need to do something to kick start this organization. This idea of getting sexy picks (that don't result in wins) is nonsense and an outdated concept. Let's hope that they get this thing back on track.

There's ONLY one way to forget the Gibbs era or the Allen era that preceded it and that's if Bruce Allen goes away. Look at what he's done and is currently doing and you'll find that most of it has been done or tried before in his daddy's era or that of Gibbs. Dude literally hired Gibbs opposite in SB XXII, think that was just coincidence?

 

[Mitziman]

Hell to the NOOOO Sty. I don’t like the Patriots, but I dislike the Boys, GMen and Eagles more!

Pretty sad your thread got derailed, and shifted to…well, you know.

 

[Sharkinva]

Oh for sure, but that isn't something you can blame teddy for.

I'm with ya. I like gruden but he's likely gotta have this team looking good next year.

Oh I don't blame Bridgewater.

I just don't think he will come on the cheap. Again if Oswieler could get paid on much less of a resume, and Jimmy G is about to have Kyle blowing him like he was Kenny G's Sax.....

Teddy aint coming on the cheap. Cheaper than Cousins, probably. Cheap enough to make me want to go back into the I wonder what we will get at QB Dilly Dilly pit of WTF.....

IM getting too old for this shit. LOL

 

[Stymietee]

Came up with a point...oh I do like Wilson...but here is Seattle’s D (total/scoring) since he came into the league.

2012- 4 and 1...11/5
2013- 1 and 1...13/3
2014- 1 and 1...12/4
2015- 2 and 1...10/6
2016- 5 and 3...10/5/1
2017- 11 and 13...9/7

Now just imagine if KC had those defenses. Wait, it was Russell Wilson that won all those games, and KC that lost all our games.

I honestly believe that this is a major problem with a lot of posters and some in the larger fan base.... IMAGINING!
While it does make us feel good, reality is we don't have anything close to it. BTW: I've noticed that some people here like to post researched stats. My challenge to you all is, research every defense that's worked on a team headed by Bruce Allen as GM in DC. (since 2009) Then we won't have to "imagine" anything ever again.

 

[Sharkinva]

I honestly believe that this is a major problem with a lot of posters and some in the larger fan base.... IMAGINING!
While it does make us feel good, reality is we don't have anything close to it. BTW: I've noticed that some people here like to post researched stats. My challenge to you all is, research every defense that's worked on a team headed by Bruce Allen as GM in DC. (since 2009) Then we won't have to "imagine" anything ever again.

Those particular numbers once researched will likely lead on to drink.. often. IJS

 

[Stymietee]

Hell to the NOOOO Sty. I don’t like the Patriots, but I dislike the Boys, GMen and Eagles more!

Pretty sad your thread got derailed, and shifted to…well, you know.

Yeah you're right, but that too is a symptomatic of the dysfunction that we who love and follow this team are forced to deal with year after year after year. {SIGH}

 

[j_y19]

I actually find myself pulling for the Eagles. They have had such a good year and then when Wentz went down, I thought it was over. But they have still prevailed. Plus, I'm sick of the Patriots owning the league.