Just a reminder to Ohio fans….

[Wamu]

I’m not excusing it. It’s just small potatoes

That’s nice. We’ll see what happens. -->I’ve heard OSU fans claiming some massive death penalty for years now. I’ll believe it when I see it. I think they’ll be very mad at what happens

Oh really...wait a minute, is this just more of your boo-hoo bullshit? Of course it is.

 

[fritowrdo]

You guys cheated too.. cheaters

How did we cheat?

 

[fritowrdo]

I’m not excusing it. It’s just small potatoes

That’s nice. We’ll see what happens. I’ve heard OSU fans claiming some massive death penalty for years now. I’ll believe it when I see it. I think they’ll be very mad at what happens

For your cheating scandal, it should be the death penalty along with Michigan stadium plowed under.

You all will claim victory if no wins are vacated.

I personally hope thing happens but a slap on Harbaugh's wrist so he takes the fall for the program. You all will claim victory and cling to the no wins vacated.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I thought tatoo thing dumb, too, but knew they broke a rule. Tattoo thing also not done for an on field edge.

Why would any fan need this to be huge? I mean, the losing to UM sucked but we still got a title after the last one and played for another despite the loss.

I don't even care much at this point what the punishment is....it's just funny watching you push back as though something severe should not even be considered.

If there wasn’t already so many methods used to steal and trade signs, I’d say this was a bigger deal. But the end result already happens all the time, so meh…

My suggestion? Join the 21st century and get radios in helmets

And OSU fans need this to be huge, because most cannot stand losing to Michigan. They need to have faith in a conspiracy reason why they lost. Sadly, they watched the games just as I did.. and Michigan largely punched them in the mouth and man handled OSU the 3 years before this past game. No signs would have made a difference. Michigan had great recruiting and tons of studs. OSU had their lunch money taken, and whiners on here can’t handle it. It’s okay. They could end the losing streak this year, although Underwood looks good.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

For your cheating scandal, it should be the death penalty along with Michigan stadium plowed under.

Good luck with that

You all will claim victory if no wins are vacated.

Yep. Should we not?

I personally hope thing happens but a slap on Harbaugh's wrist so he takes the fall for the program. You all will claim victory and cling to the no wins vacated.

Again.. should we not?

 

[blastfromthepast]

Good luck with that

Yep. Should we not?

Again.. should we not?

Not sure anyone would really care if Michigan got the death penalty. All 5 of their fans would be furious.

They could then focus on basketball, which they have historically run a clean program. What a minute???

I am noticing a trend here.....

 

[Wamu]

How did we cheat?

If you don't know he ain't saying.

He's so furious at anything Ohio State he probably has a Woody Hayes punching bag and puts on a Clemson helmet to get revenge.

Wait a minute...did I just stumble upon something about that fella?

 

[blastfromthepast]

If there wasn’t already so many methods used to steal and trade signs, I’d say this was a bigger deal. But the end result already happens all the time, so meh…

My suggestion? Join the 21st century and get radios in helmets

And OSU fans need this to be huge, because most cannot stand losing to Michigan. They need to have faith in a conspiracy reason why they lost. Sadly, they watched the games just as I did.. and Michigan largely punched them in the mouth and man handled OSU the 3 years before this past game. No signs would have made a difference. Michigan had great recruiting and tons of studs. OSU had their lunch money taken, and whiners on here can’t handle it. It’s okay. They could end the losing streak this year, although Underwood looks good.

Can you not debate without mentioning Ohio St? Really? The fact that you can't post without talking about Ohio St makes you lose any credibility.

Also, stop the whole nonsense with everybody stealing signs. What proof do you have that this is widespread?

This isn't an OSU vs Michigan thing: this is about integrity and protecting the game. I am an SEC fan so why would I care about OSU vs Michigan?

Stop trying to play the victim here and claim that OSU is trying to bring about the downfall of Michigan. Practically every college football fan, outside of Michigan, is disgusted by what happened and want the title vacated.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Can you not debate without mentioning Ohio St? Really? The fact that you can't post without talking about Ohio St makes you lose any credibility.

I was asked about OSU so I replied. You’re creating false narratives

This isn't an OSU vs Michigan thing: this is about integrity and protecting the game. I am an SEC fan so why would I care about OSU vs Michigan?

You’re welcome to voice your opinion. But You not being a fan doesn’t elevate you to some arbitration status. Hey, thanks for your input.

Practically every college football fan, outside of Michigan, is disgusted by what happened and want the title vacated.

I don’t think that’s true, not that it matters

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Not sure anyone would really care if Michigan got the death penalty. All 5 of their fans would be furious.

They could then focus on basketball, which they have historically run a clean program. What a minute???

I am noticing a trend here.....

You take this wayyyy too personally and emotionally

 

[Mr. Friscus]

If you don't know he ain't saying.

He's so furious at anything Ohio State he probably has a Woody Hayes punching bag and puts on a Clemson helmet to get revenge.

If you look back at this thread, I’m not the one mad at OSU, you guys have rabid seething hatred of Michigan, flooding the thread with post after post of anger. I’ve remained rather calm, and even admit Michigan by definition broke rules. Yet, because I’m not on the “kill Michigan” mob you spend so much effort and emotion bombarding me and the thread.. it speaks for itself

 

[Wamu]

If you look back at this thread, I’m not the one mad at OSU, you guys have rabid seething hatred of Michigan, flooding the thread with post after post of anger. I’ve remained rather calm, and even admit Michigan by definition broke rules. Yet, because I’m not on the “kill Michigan” mob you spend so much effort and emotion bombarding me and the thread.. it speaks for itself

Nothing you have belched out has anything to do with what I was originally talking about. JH cheated to win. You know that.

You've already established you're in complete denial by trying to change the subject to mistakes Ohio State has made in the past.

Seriously try getting a grip on reality and stop your foolish crusade.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Nothing you have belched out has anything to do with what I was originally talking about. JH cheated to win. You know that.

You've already established you're in complete denial by trying to change the subject to mistakes Ohio State has made in the past.

Seriously try getting a grip on reality and stop your foolish crusade.

Dude, you won’t hold consistent logic, so let’s just go on with our lives. I’m happy with the past 4 years, and it’s been 2003 days since OSU has beaten Michigan.

 

[blastfromthepast]

You take this wayyyy too personally and emotionally

I am not the one holding on to a fake championship and losing the debate. That is you.

You can't debate me without saying "but Ohio St...." or "well, everyone else is doing it".

You have literally been embarassed by anyone who has responded to you and are the only one providing this point of view.

 

[blastfromthepast]

I was asked about OSU so I replied. You’re creating false narratives

You’re welcome to voice your opinion. But You not being a fan doesn’t elevate you to some arbitration status. Hey, thanks for your input.

I don’t think that’s true, not that it matters

No, but it shoots a hole in your arguement about this being an Ohio St conspiracy.

You have convinced yourself that it this is an OSU vs Michigan debate...its not. That is why you have attacked the OSU posters here and trying to make strawman arguements.

Its about a historically corrupt program covering their tracks and a delusional fanbase ignoring the truth.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I am not the one holding on to a fake championship and losing the debate. That is you.

You’re making up that it’s “fake”. It’s not been revoked, so you’re lying. Only unhinged emotion would cause you to resort to this.

You can't debate me without saying "but Ohio St...." or "well, everyone else is doing it".

Sorry, if 5 other cars are going 78mph in a 70 without issue, and then one gets a ticket for 78 and the other cars judge and point the finger at that car as bad for speeding.. it’s a really dumb argument. Context matters, and for some reason yoh want to get rid of all context (well, we know the reason)

You have literally been embarassed by anyone who has responded to you

No, that’s your MSNBC style narrative, I’m fine.

and are the only one providing this point of view.

So what?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No, but it shoots a hole in your arguement about this being an Ohio St conspiracy.

You have convinced yourself that it this is an OSU vs Michigan debate...its not. That is why you have attacked the OSU posters here and trying to make strawman arguements.

Its about a historically corrupt program covering their tracks and a delusional fanbase ignoring the truth.

I never said it’s a conspiracy, just that many OSU fans are leading the charge because they need to explain away their losses.. ones that were decisive and brash. Michigan beat OSU. And hey, it happens. OSU beat us many many times. Even amidst scandals I never said “well they cheated so their success is discredited”… I owned the losses. I’m quite a bit less emotional and insecure than you are in this topic.

 

[blastfromthepast]

I never said it’s a conspiracy, just that many OSU fans are leading the charge because they need to explain away their losses.. ones that were decisive and brash. Michigan beat OSU. And hey, it happens. OSU beat us many many times. Even amidst scandals I never said “well they cheated so their success is discredited”… I owned the losses. I’m quite a bit less emotional and insecure than you are in this topic.

How am I insecure or emotional? Engaging in debate and bringing in facts is NOT being insecure or emotional. I am against cheating period. Again, I am not a Big 10 or OSU fan...I simply want the rules followed in college football.

You are a walking logical fallacy. You used strawman arguements and now reverting to ad homenim attacks.

 

[blastfromthepast]

You’re making up that it’s “fake”. It’s not been revoked, so you’re lying. Only unhinged emotion would cause you to resort to this.

Sorry, if 5 other cars are going 78mph in a 70 without issue, and then one gets a ticket for 78 and the other cars judge and point the finger at that car as bad for speeding.. it’s a really dumb argument. Context matters, and for some reason yoh want to get rid of all context (well, we know the reason)

No, that’s your MSNBC style narrative, I’m fine.

So what?

In my opinion, any championship won with cheating is fake. I believe the HOU 2019 WS is fake even though it wasn't vacated. Calling me unhinged just proves you have lost the debate because you have reverted to ad hominem attacks.

I will play your game here. What other cars are speeding in your scenerio? In other words, which other teams have cheated the same way Michigan did? Name them. And don't say OSU broke some rules that had no bearing on a championship or cheating. If OSU did what Michigan did, I would be pounding the table to have the title vacated as well. Yes, OSU has been caught breaking improper beneifts rules. They were hopefully punished. However, they didn't win the national championship using a sofisticated cheating network where a staff member infilitrated sidelines in a costume to gather intelligence. That is the difference.

The 1990's and 2000's was a terrible time for cycling and doping. Armstrong doped with several others. Does that mean he should retain his 7 Tour de France titles? All Armstrong and Team USPS had to say was "well, everybody else is doping as well". Is this what you are saying? Should Armstrong retain his titles because it was proven that other cyclyists were doping during the same time period he was dominating?

I am a conservative so your MSNBC comment is laughable. Ask anyone here who has won this debate. I can assure you anyone here, regardless if they are OSU fans or Michigan fans, would say that I have won this arguement hands down. Start a poll of you want.

You are the only one here claiming Michigan didn't really have an advantage and that they should retain the championship because:

1. OSU sux and has broken various rules in the past. These include improper benefits. Also, OSU has hired coaches with low moral character, as such, any and all titles won in any given year should be vacated.
2. Other teams are allegedley stealing signs.

Is that it pretty much? Your argument cannot be that other teams are stealing signs, as such, Michigan didn't really do anything wrong. They clearly did because JH ran away and Michigan is under investigation. You have no submitted one piece of evidence that sign stealing and sideline infilitration is widespread in college football.

 

[blastfromthepast]

I never said it’s a conspiracy, just that many OSU fans are leading the charge because they need to explain away their losses.. ones that were decisive and brash. Michigan beat OSU. And hey, it happens. OSU beat us many many times. Even amidst scandals I never said “well they cheated so their success is discredited”… I owned the losses. I’m quite a bit less emotional and insecure than you are in this topic.

To clarify, what would a proper level of punishment be for Michigan then?

Should HOU have kept the 2019 WS as well?

Under what circumstances should a team vacate a championship?