Just a reminder to Ohio fans….

[Wamu]

For the one millioneth time, I am not a Michigan fan...nor am I an OSU fan. OSU has had their fair share of scandals and issues.

That has nothing to do with Michigan cheating and deploying Connor Stallions to opponent sidelines in order to gather intelligence. That has never been done or attempted in modern college football.

Listing OSU infractions from 20 years ago has no bearing on what Michigan just did. What does the Zach Smith situation have to do with cheating? It doesn't.

Your whole argument is lame because you are basically deflecting and saying because OSU has had scandals, it was permissable for Michigan cheat. Let me be honest here, the rest of college football doesn't care about the OSU vs Michigan rivalry. We just dont. Both fanbases think they are more special than they are and nobody cares about OSU vs Michigan except OSU and Michigan fans. The bottom line is that only Michigan fans think their 2024 title is legit and the rest of college football knows it is tainted.

You being a homer only solidifies that you are going to defend what Michigan did and you are being dishonest with yourself. You mean to tell me that if Oregon, Florida St., or Alabama did what Michigan did, you would be fine with it?

That fella seems to have an issue with the truth.

He can't/won't acknowledge it.

Hey maybe next he'll mention Woody Hayes losing his mind?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Did you hurt yourself moving the goal posts all by yourself? Now that's some top notch deflection.

All of your gibberish has nothing to do with the fact that ann arbor had to cheat, and got caught, to win their first outright title since 1948.

Keep cryin'.

LOL.

1. You debunk Michigan because they cheat
2. I point out example of OSU cheating
3. You ignore your own logic.

Boy, fandom can make people very unintelligent

 

[ellupo]

You avoided reading all the shady things OSU did and the cheating they did.

Those in Glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks

See little brother that is called deflection. I dont care about your deflection.

Oh a big rock was thrown at the team that "always does it right". Just a joke. "mi men"

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Your whole argument is lame because you are basically deflecting and saying because OSU has had scandals, it was permissable for Michigan cheat.

No, I point it out because OSU fan logic is “cheating = bad”… and “cheating debunks success”. so I just point out how they did, and they get mad and run from it.

You being a homer only solidifies that you are going to defend what Michigan did and you are being dishonest with yourself.

I don’t defend it, I just think it’s a minor violation, given that teams already steal signs and coaches tell each other other teams signs. It’s all different ways of the same action. If the action was bad, it would be illegal to do it at all

 

[Mr. Friscus]

See little brother that is called deflection. I dont care about your deflection.

Oh a big rock was thrown at the team that "always does it right". Just a joke. "mi men"

It’s called context, something you’re terrified of

 

[blastfromthepast]

No, I point it out because OSU fan logic is “cheating = bad”… and “cheating debunks success”. so I just point out how they did, and they get mad and run from it.

I don’t defend it, I just think it’s a minor violation, given that teams already steal signs and coaches tell each other other teams signs. It’s all different ways of the same action. If the action was bad, it would be illegal to do it at all

So other teams send staff members in a costume to other team sidelines?

Again...I am not an OSU fan...geez

 

[Wamu]

LOL.

1. You debunk Michigan because they cheat
2. I point out example of OSU cheating
3. You ignore your own logic.

Boy, fandom can make people very unintelligent

You have no logic.

I'm talking about something that happened just two seasons ago. You can't/won't/refuse to even acknowledge it.

All you got to say in ann arbor's defense is mentioning mistakes by Ohio State that have...now pay attention...

nothing to do with JH hiring Connor Stallions to outright cheat.

Get a clue man.

 

[Wamu]

So other teams send staff members in a costume to other team sidelines?

Again...I am not an OSU fan...geez

He really doesn't seem to understand that. Very strange.

 

[Wamu]

No, I point it out because OSU fan logic is “cheating = bad”… and “cheating debunks success”. so I just point out how they did, and they get mad and run from it.

I don’t defend it, I just think it’s a minor violation, given that teams already steal signs and coaches tell each other other teams signs. It’s all different ways of the same action. If the action was bad, it would be illegal to do it at all

Wait a minute who's mad here? You really are batshit crazy.

"I don't defend it"

^^^^

Yeah suuuure you don't. That's why you had to mention Ohio State in a very lame and homeristic attempt to deflect from what the original topic is. Which by the way is ann arbor cheating their asses off to win a title.

Why do you hate reality?

 

[Wamu]

See little brother that is called deflection. I dont care about your deflection.

Oh a big rock was thrown at the team that "always does it right". Just a joke. "mi men"

That fella ain't right. Typical ann arbor delusion.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So other teams send staff members in a costume to other team sidelines?

Again...I am not an OSU fan...geez

No, it was ridiculous… but what did it achieve? And how was it contributing to beating OSU, Alabama, and Washington?

It didn’t. So, OSU will just have to accept they lost and stop desperately trying to use an excuse

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Wait a minute who's mad here? You really are batshit crazy.

"I don't defend it"

^^^^

Yeah suuuure you don't. That's why you had to mention Ohio State in a very lame and homeristic attempt to deflect from what the original topic is. Which by the way is ann arbor cheating their asses off to win a title.

Why do you hate reality?

You’re the one setting the logic, I just applied it evenly. And you’re mad when you look in the mirror.

You guys technically cheated, we technically cheated. At least I’m consistent. You want to deny history and cut off context.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You have no logic.

I'm talking about something that happened just two seasons ago. You can't/won't/refuse to even acknowledge it.

All you got to say in ann arbor's defense is mentioning mistakes by Ohio State that have...now pay attention...

nothing to do with JH hiring Connor Stallions to outright cheat.

Get a clue man.

This is what you’re saying:

Guy 1 punches Guy 2.

Guy 2 punches Guy 1 in retaliation.

Guy 1: “OMG YOU PUNCHED ME! WHY DID YOU PUNCH ME? YOU SHOULDNT PUNCH ANYONE. YOURE A VIOLENT CRIMINAL, IM GOING TO CALL THE COPS, THATS SO IMMORAL”

You can’t cheat, then denounce any cheating and avoid answering your own. That’s what a 7th grader might try to do

 

[blastfromthepast]

No, it was ridiculous… but what did it achieve? And how was it contributing to beating OSU, Alabama, and Washington?

It didn’t. So, OSU will just have to accept they lost and stop desperately trying to use an excuse

If it contributed to one win...just one win..it is cheating and the entire season must be vacated. The same punishment would be appropriate for any other school who did the same act. It is only fair. One loss could have kept them out of the playoffs OR impacted the entire playoff landscape.

In the Olympics, you can't cheat in a heat and then expect to retain a metal in the finals. That is absurd and you know it.

It is impossible to know which games were impacted by the cheating operations, as such, the entire season must be vacated. It is only just to do that.

For the one millioneth time...I AM NOT AN OSU FAN! Do you understand that?

Can you defend Michigan's season without using the letters "OSU"? I hope you aren't a lawyer because you would be losing any case in a court of law.

 

[ellupo]

It’s called context, something you’re terrified of

Its called cheating. Something little brother, who was so desperate for win even thought saying "we do it right", was willing to do because Harbs proved for years he could not get the W. "mi man"

 

[dtgold88]

Holy Karens... I'll just reply to all of you: @ellupo @Wamu @blastfromthepast @fritowrdo

I'll give my argument very clearly because some of you keep throwing out strawman or jumping to conclusions I'm not making. I'll ask Q's in return.

1. Michigan technically did break the rules. However, the rules they broke were completely outdated, as teams routinely "steal" signals via video and coach-to-coach relationships. I know OSU homers have to cling to a technicality, but if signals are being "stolen" or shared, it doesn't matter how its done as far as its effect on the game. We know Purdue and OSU shared Michigans signals that year, so who cares how it's done? You'd have to desperate to do so. OSU homers NEED this "cheating" label to explain away their 4 losses, much like the Democrats NEEDED to brand Trump as a "felon" (even though that's all been debunked). No, I watched all the games, and OSU simply got manhandled and outplayed, except for this past year. You guys beat yourselves.

2. This is nothing like the "Houston Astros Scandal" because Michigan was getting no advantage that other teams didn't already have. It wasn't real time. Other teams scouted and tried to steal each others signals throughout the year, and teams change their signals throughout the year. I saw a viral video with supposed "proof" of the Michigan sideline signaling their Defense of a run play based on supposed Stallions handiwork, and the video was cut off, probably because the play resulted in a touchdown for the other team.

3. The allegations came out, and Michigan still had to win games with everything changed by other teams. They beat OSU, Alabama, and Washington straight up. Only OSU bitter temper tantrums try to claim that there was cheating in those games. You just got beat. I know it hurts, but you got spoiled in your dominance, and now you can't handle defeat. You're a gated community franchise that throws fits and temper tantrums when you lose. There's a reason why you're the most disliked fanbase in the nation, and it's not because you win all the time. Many other programs win far more than you.

That about covers it. I get it, OSU fans have to cling to desperation to try to write off their losses. But they watched the games, they're actually mad at their own team for being dominated. They have to vent and try to hope for a miracle. No.. Michigan has owned you for 4 years. Just grow up and deal with it.

Should have just ended after admitting UM broke the rules.

Cling to desperation? we just won a legit title.....arguably the 1st ever at this level considering number of teams in CFP.

 

[Wamu]

This is what you’re saying:

Guy 1 punches Guy 2.

Guy 2 punches Guy 1 in retaliation.

Guy 1: “OMG YOU PUNCHED ME! WHY DID YOU PUNCH ME? YOU SHOULDNT PUNCH ANYONE. YOURE A VIOLENT CRIMINAL, IM GOING TO CALL THE COPS, THATS SO IMMORAL”

You can’t cheat, then denounce any cheating and avoid answering your own. That’s what a 7th grader might try to do

Oh man it is sooooo funny that you're completely incapable of acknowledging JH's massive mistake of hiring Stallions. He knew he had to cheat to win. And that's why he ran as fast as he could to the Chargers.

What you just burped up, nothing but more deflection on your part.

Now that I fully know it pisses you off beyond belief mentioning ann arbor's title is dirty-dirty-dirty I will make a point of reminding you every now that then.

 

[dtgold88]

@saturdaysarebetter @ellupo @Wamu @blastfromthepast @fritowrdo

This will be fun for all of you emotional OSU fans or oddly sanctimonous outsiders. See, I won't sacrifice objectivity and ratios to "get" my rival. You guys will. You say "Because Michigan technically cheated, they are cheaters to the full extent and everything they did is null and void".

Well, let's have a look at OSU:
- Tattoo-gate: Jim Tressell resigns after recieving improper benefits.
- Boosters paying for Troy Smiths' cell phone bill which had been given to Maurice Clarrett
- Quality-Control Coach Joe Lyberger on leave, under investigation
- Hiring Urban Meyer after his 6-year tenure at Florida when 31 players were arrested for battery, domestic assault, etc.
- Zach Smith, graduate assistant arrested in 2009 for shoving his pregnant wife against a wall, and higher ups knowing about it but hid it.

Yeah, you guys are totally innocent. Give me a break. Hey, let's take away your 2001 championship since we know Tressell was dirty and giving illegal benenfits to players... right?

let's go in order
*OK, coach served his punishment.
*Cannot say heard about this but if caught by NCAA then should serve whatever punishment was handed out.
*Under investigation? Uh....OK? Can we let them investigate for whatever this is?
*Cool.....that's not illegal.
*Yep, and many OSU fans were disgusted by it. But it's not cheating.

As to the 2001 title...which was really 2002....you want that taken away for something his players did half a decade or more later?

Think you've lost it, my friend.

 

[Wamu]

You’re the one setting the logic, I just applied it evenly. And you’re mad when you look in the mirror.

You guys technically cheated, we technically cheated. At least I’m consistent. You want to deny history and cut off context.

I'll ask you again.

What do Ohio State's mistakes in the past have anything to do with JH hiring Stallions to cheat? I know you won't answer because you've misplaced your backbone and are afraid of reality.

And I haven't denied anything. But you refuse to stay on topic.

On a scale of 1 to 10 how angry are you that you know ann arbor's '23 title is as dirty as a clogged toilet?

 

[dtgold88]

You avoided reading all the shady things OSU did and the cheating they did.

Those in Glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks

I wonder if a serial killer could try this next time sentence is passed and asked to speak....just say "but Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were also bad so let me go please."