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Julio Jones was just robbed again, almost exactly like last week..

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No buts it's about making the right call man. A team blowing a lead doesn't mean they don't deserve a call when it's warranted. Your team blew a huge lead last week and got a call when it was NOT warranted but you want to tell people to stop complain when they don't get a call made when it's the RIGHT call?? GTFO with that nonsense. Grabbing a receivers arm before the ball gets there is interference. Period. And yes it cost them the game today and probably last week too. I don't like complaining because of course other things could have happened during the game to change the outcome but you should still want officials to make the right call. That's common sense
Here is the problem there are no calls on BOTH sides. There was a penalty committed on Gates that was more egregious but people don't care because it wasn't the last play of the game.
 

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You could say the same thing for the falcons players, when youre up 17 just do your job
Of course you could but the players are competing against other players who are also doing their job. Every play has winners and losers. The refs are not competing against people trying to prevent them from doing their job. That means they should get it right every single time. Obviously that doesn't happen but it doesn't excuse them when they blow a big call and that is happening far too often all over the league
 

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Here is the problem there are no calls on BOTH sides. There was a penalty committed on Gates that was more egregious but people don't care because it wasn't the last play of the game.
Some calls are bigger than others just as some plays are bigger than others. You need to get the late game stuff right. That's just the way it is. If a QB throws for 300 and 3 TDS but throws a terrible pick to lose the game he is seen as a failure. Officiating all over the league has been a massive failure this year. That's just reality
 

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Of course you could but the players are competing against other players who are also doing their job. Every play has winners and losers. The refs are not competing against people trying to prevent them from doing their job. That means they should get it right every single time. Obviously that doesn't happen but it doesn't excuse them when they blow a big call and that is happening far too often all over the league
Alright, i disagree, but id like to hear how the refs screwed you guys in ot when the falcons have the ball first and didnt score when they had the chance too. Clearly it wasnt the falcons the refs had to have screwed them somehow.
 

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You had a 17 point lead at half and scored 3 points in the 2nd half. Sorry I don't want to hear it
 

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Alright, i disagree, but id like to hear how the refs screwed you guys in ot when the falcons have the ball first and didnt score when they had the chance too. Clearly it wasnt the falcons the refs had to have screwed them somehow.
Refs don't "screw" anyone. They aren't I'll intentioned. They simply are occasionally incompetent OR ( worse ) they don't want to be seen as determining a games outcome NY making a call so instead they help determine it by not making the call. OT was fine. It just shouldn't have and wouldn't have gone to OT had they done their job in the last minute
 

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You had a 17 point lead at half and scored 3 points in the 2nd half. Sorry I don't want to hear it
That's irrelevant BK. A game is 60 minutes long and just because a team blows a lead or makes a huge comeback doesn't make them more deserving of a call. The call needs to be made when it's the right call
 

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Refs don't "screw" anyone. They aren't I'll intentioned. They simply are occasionally incompetent OR ( worse ) they don't want to be seen as determining a games outcome NY making a call so instead they help determine it by not making the call. OT was fine. It just shouldn't have and wouldn't have gone to OT had they done their job in the last minute
Well you can say the refs lost you this game with that 1 call, but youre wrong the falcons lost this game all their own
 

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Some calls are bigger than others just as some plays are bigger than others. You need to get the late game stuff right. That's just the way it is. If a QB throws for 300 and 3 TDS but throws a terrible pick to lose the game he is seen as a failure. Officiating all over the league has been a massive failure this year. That's just reality

That's irrelevant BK. A game is 60 minutes long and just because a team blows a lead or makes a huge comeback doesn't make them more deserving of a call. The call needs to be made when it's the right call

Do you realize that these two arguments are in direct contradiction with one another?
 

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Well you can say the refs lost you this game with that 1 call, but youre wrong the falcons lost this game all their own
There's a difference between losing a game and having a call cost you the game. Every team that loses lost because they missed out on making a play when they had the chance. The refs blowing a call isn't the sole reason any team ever loses but it can still be the major ingredient in what cost a team a win.

The whole "don't blow a big lead" argument is bofus. It's like saying that as soon as a team us down double digits the refs should stop calling penalties on the team that's winning. I mean don't get down by 17 if you want the right calls to be made right?? It's ludicrous. It's the argument of a child. Make the call when the call is warranted
 

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Do you realize that these two arguments are in direct contradiction with one another?
No they're not. All calls need to be made BUT dome are more important to the games outcome. Those calls need to be spot on. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive
 

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No they're not. All calls need to be made BUT dome are more important to the games outcome. Those calls need to be spot on. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive
It is just false to assume that a bad call early in the game couldn't have or didn't have as much impact as a call late in the game. Just because it is harder to predict the ultimate outcome earlier doesn't mean that one call was more important than the other.
 

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It is just false to assume that a bad call early in the game couldn't have or didn't have as much impact as a call late in the game. Just because it is harder to predict the ultimate outcome earlier doesn't mean that one call was more important than the other.
No its really not. A call made 2 minutes into the game gives a team 58 minutes to overcome it. A blown call with 2 minutes left gives a team w minutes to overcome it. They're not of the same importance. ALL calls need to be made correctly but calls made at the end are simply more vital and always will be. And those same calls will always be more scrutinized. That's reality
 

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No its really not. A call made 2 minutes into the game gives a team 58 minutes to overcome it. A blown call with 2 minutes left gives a team w minutes to overcome it. They're not of the same importance. ALL calls need to be made correctly but calls made at the end are simply more vital and always will be. And those same calls will always be more scrutinized. That's reality
Agree to disagree, I guess. Just because they will be more scrutinized does not make them more important.
 

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Agree to disagree, I guess. Just because they will be more scrutinized does not make them more important.
So say you're driving somewhere and you have 4 hours to get there. 20 minutes into the trip you run out of gas. It's takes you 15 minutes to get gas and get back on the road. Now you've got 3 hours and 25 minutes to make the drive that normally take you 3:40. Does that suck? Sure but you drive a little faster and you make it. Now say you've got 20 minutes LEFT in that same trip and you run out of gas. It takes you the same q5 minutes to go refill. Now you've got 5 minutes to drive the last 20 minutes. That's impossible. Moral of the story is that WHEN something happens is certainly relevant. The exact same thing happening late is more important to the outcome than when it happens early. It just is.
 

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So say you're driving somewhere and you have 4 hours to get there. 20 minutes into the trip you run out of gas. It's takes you 15 minutes to get gas and get back on the road. Now you've got 3 hours and 25 minutes to make the drive that normally take you 3:40. Does that suck? Sure but you drive a little faster and you make it. Now say you've got 20 minutes LEFT in that same trip and you run out of gas. It takes you the same q5 minutes to go refill. Now you've got 5 minutes to drive the last 20 minutes. That's impossible. Moral of the story is that WHEN something happens is certainly relevant. The exact same thing happening late is more important to the outcome than when it happens early. It just is.

Again, agree to disagree. Your 5 minutes could put you behind an accident or a traffic jam that adds an hour or more. That call early in the game could be a 3 point, or 7 point or 14 point swing that completely alters the complexion of the game, and thus what happens after it. There are too many variables. All bad calls matter. Over a game, they sometimes end up about even. Over the course of a season, they almost always do.
 

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Jones is a very physical player. He gets away with a ton of contact himself. Stop crying.

He goes after the ball, the DB has the same opportunity.
Having more ability doesn't give the opposing player license to grab his arm.
That is about the worst thing a db could do because you can't catch the god damn ball when your arm is held down. It's not far from just sticking out a foot and tripping a RB.
 

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And on these types of calls in particular, my opinion is that they should not be penalties (I know that the rule book says that they are). For the refs to get all of the ones that are PI called, they absolutely have to throw flags when there is no PI, because they need to just assume that it is happening most of the time when they are watching in real speed to actually call it.
 

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And on these types of calls in particular, my opinion is that they should not be penalties (I know that the rule book says that they are). For the refs to get all of the ones that are PI called, they absolutely have to throw flags when there is no PI, because they need to just assume that it is happening most of the time when they are watching in real speed to actually call it.
I'm fine with there being no PI calls because generally the WR is bigger, faster and stronger than the DB. Shit if Julio could push off and use his size and strength without fear of penalty he'd have 500 YPG. That may be what he needs to start doing at games end. The officials are clearly hesitant to throw flags so he should use that to his advantage
 

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Here is the problem there are no calls on BOTH sides. There was a penalty committed on Gates that was more egregious but people don't care because it wasn't the last play of the game.

I didn't see any missed penalty on a Gates play, but of course a play that could decide the game is more important to get right.
It's like an umpire making a bad call to end a baseball game, it's amplified.
 
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