Josh Freeman?

[Gypsumstack]

Seems like a typical Mike Brown reclamation project to me. Damaged goods? Check. Character questions? Check. Low risk, High reward salary? Double Check!

He can't be a worse back up than Josh Johnson, and if he can get his head on right, he has way more talent than Dalton. Hell, I'm not even sure his head is all that messed up. I just think he was in the wrong situation in Tampa with Schiano.

 

[#1BostonFan]

Not a bad back up project, not sure he's ever a starter.

 

[Gypsumstack]

I'm not 100% sure Andy Dalton is a starter, but that's the beauty of it. The team loves Dalton, so his starting job is safe. Freeman could be brought in and give plenty of time to learn the playbook, the system, and his team mates. Then when Dalton inevitably gets knocked out because he holds onto the ball way too long, Freeman can come in and be a complete 180 from what the other team's defense prepared for.

Edit: I should probably mention that I am drinking at the moment.

 

[cincygrad]

Dalton is already a shaky mess.... There's no way they'd put a better qb on the roster. It might further damage his ego.

 

[kramer1]

Plus, the red hair.

 

[TBBishop]

Seems like a typical Mike Brown reclamation project to me. Damaged goods? Check. Character questions? Check. Low risk, High reward salary? Double Check!

He can't be a worse back up than Josh Johnson, and if he can get his head on right, he has way more talent than Dalton. Hell, I'm not even sure his head is all that messed up. I just think he was in the wrong situation in Tampa with Schiano.

Everyone on the Bucs are in a bad situation with Schiano. That dude is a clown. I'm not going to say Josh was without fault. He supposedly wasn't a gym rat, wasn't a film rat, didn't work hard enough to master the craft. Worse than that he basically shut down when he was hit with a little adversity. Schiano never liked or believed in Freeman. They drafted Mike Glennon because he was the kind of QB that Schiano wanted. Even though Freeman was the starter and was struggling in the preseason Schiano gave WAY more snaps to Glennon basically saying our offense will be OK. Then the smear campaign started, all the information being leaked. So since this guy who was set up to fail failed, Schiano had his chance to sit Freeman down. Freeman wasn't a "Schiano Man". Neither were Ahmad Black and Aqib Talib and LaGarrette Blount. All pretty good football players dumped from this awful team.

Schiano wasn't wrong about Freeman though. I've felt since he was drafted here that he although he had plenty of talent his ceiling was pretty low. He never seemed to have the personality to thrive as an NFL QB, as a leader of men. He doesn't read defenses particularly well, isn't particularly accurate, doesn't make quick decisions. Really the only things he seems to do particularly well is throw on the run and throw deep. Usually people who are just good at throwing deep just have guys who get under their passes IMO. So Freeman at some point did have to go. He was fairly popular so it wasn't going to be easy to just sit him down, especially when for some strange reason the entire fricking fan base was convinced this was a playoff team. But the way Schiano and this franchise set out to destroy this guy and his name, I can't even express how disgusted I am with the entire organization.

I guess there was a brunch or something for select fans with Schiano and I think Mark Dominik. Schiano was saying how he inherited this mess and basically saying all of the problems they are having is Raheem Morris' fault. That's just hilarious. The problems with this team starts at the top. The Glazers aren't football people, they are guys with money who are able to own a sports team. They do not allow their GM, their supposed football guys to pick coaches. When it was time for Tony Dungy to go, Rich McKay supposedly wanted Marvin Lewis. The Glazers wanted Jon Gruden. On the surface it all worked out with a Superbowl win but they gave up 2 first and 2 second round draft picks and cash to get him and it crippled them moving forward. That combined with handing the franchise over to Gruden and Bruce Allen, neither of which was a good talent evaluator started this Lion-like dysfunction. By the time they were fired the Glazers had a ton of money tied up in Man U so they went cheap with Dominik and Coach Chest Bump Raheem Morris. The Glazers let a "star" get away in Mike Tomlin and they weren't going to let it happen again. Morris was in no way shape or form ready to be a head guy. He was just laughing and joking with his 8 or 9 players and now he in charge of the whole thing? Awful move by the Glazers. In the meantime, Dominik's first move and maybe his worst was to draft Freeman and he hasn't made many good moves since from his draft to his bad free agent signings. People thought he finally did this great job in the last couple of seasons but I feel like all they've really done is pay for some of the top FAs available whether they actually fit what they were trying to do or not. It took Revis all of a couple of weeks to complain about the scheme. I mean how do you go out and trade for the consensus top man-to-man cover corner in the League knowing that you plan to run a lot of zone? And then of course the Glazers hire Schiano. It was a classic over reaction. they put this young guy in charge who's not ready and he loses control of the team. That's of course if he ever had it. So of course they counter that with a strict disciplinarian. The talking heads around here always use "toes on the line" because the first thing this the moron apparently did was make them all line up military style. The players are already done with it which is why so much info keeps getting leaked as to how he is and what's going on. The Glazers though, the ignoramuses that they are, they seem to be in lock step with him. If they have any sense at all, if they ever want to get this franchise out of the dungeon, they had better fire Mark Dominik right now and get a real football man instead of a money man to general manage their franchise. That football man will have the rest of this year to evaluate the Glazer/Dominik mess. They will empower that football man to fire the coach if he sees fit and hire the coach that he believes can help him build a winner. Anything else will just be pouring gas on this inferno.

Sorry, I didn't plan on a novel!!

 

[RoboticDreams]

Seems like a typical Mike Brown reclamation project to me. Damaged goods? Check. Character questions? Check. Low risk, High reward salary? Double Check!

He can't be a worse back up than Josh Johnson, and if he can get his head on right, he has way more talent than Dalton. Hell, I'm not even sure his head is all that messed up. I just think he was in the wrong situation in Tampa with Schiano.

Freeman is not a starting QB in the NFL. Dalton has been inconsistent but he has shown he's a capable NFL QB. I've never seen Freeman do anything other than dump the ball off and little short slants.

 

[cincygrad]

Freeman is not a starting QB in the NFL. Dalton has been inconsistent but he has shown he's a capable NFL QB. I've never seen Freeman do anything other than dump the ball off and little short slants.

Have you watched Dalton play? He's the king of the horizontal passing game.... Some of our homer fans have even begun believing that it's all some secret design of our genius OC Jay Gruden.

 

[futballiscool]

Freeman was coming off a 4-11 season with 16 tds and 22 ints the year before Schiano got there. Schiano didn't ruin anybody. This wasn't Josh McDaniel running Jay Cutler out of town to draft Tim Tebow in the first rd

They got a 4th round pick for Talib. It was the last year of his contract and he was on suspension for a failed PED test. He was also indicted on a shooting incident the year before. Looking at the Aaron Hernandez situation this offseason it's hard to fault a move like that from the Bucs.

I've said this in other threads. Schiano and the Bucs are a QB a way from being a very good football team. If Glennon comes on as the season progresses they'll be tough to beat

 

[futballiscool]

As far as Freeman's landing spot, he had his best season when the Raiders current OC was in TB. He could learn their system on the fly because he already has familiarity with the playbook. Pryor's impressed me when I've watched him this year, but I'm not sure Oakland's sold on him as a longterm franchise QB.

If I'm Freeman, I take a 2 yr backup role in GB or SF. Places with stability where he'd get good coaching. He obviously has the physical skillset to be a quality NFL QB

 

[RoboticDreams]

Have you watched Dalton play? He's the king of the horizontal passing game.... Some of our homer fans have even begun believing that it's all some secret design of our genius OC Jay Gruden.

In my estimation, Jay Gruden IS the problem. I have seen Dalton overthrow recievers some this year but I would still rather have him as my QB. I think Andy will settle down and be a top 10-15 QB. I don't see Freeman ever doing so.

 

[flamingrey]

In my estimation, Jay Gruden IS the problem. I have seen Dalton overthrow recievers some this year but I would still rather have him as my QB. I think Andy will settle down and be a top 10-15 QB. I don't see Freeman ever doing so.

Freeman didn't just accidentally put up 4000 yards.

Oh, and your estimation is wrong. Every advanced statistical measure says it. Every football analyst says it. All unbiased sources.

 

[flamingrey]

FWIW

Not the QB backup plan the Buccaneers envisioned - Adam Schefter's Blitz - ESPN

 

[futballiscool]

FWIW

Not the QB backup plan the Buccaneers envisioned - Adam Schefter's Blitz - ESPN

"the Cardinals stepped in and made an offer the Raiders could not refuse. Arizona, not Tampa, got the trade done"

The Cardinals gave Oakland nothing of value in the trade. Like a 7th rd pick. It makes me wonder what happened in the negotiations. Mortensen even said that the Cards told the Raiders that they'd wait for him to get cut if they didn't take their deal

 

[TBBishop]

Freeman was coming off a 4-11 season with 16 tds and 22 ints the year before Schiano got there. Schiano didn't ruin anybody. This wasn't Josh McDaniel running Jay Cutler out of town to draft Tim Tebow in the first rd

They got a 4th round pick for Talib. It was the last year of his contract and he was on suspension for a failed PED test. He was also indicted on a shooting incident the year before. Looking at the Aaron Hernandez situation this offseason it's hard to fault a move like that from the Bucs.

I've said this in other threads. Schiano and the Bucs are a QB a way from being a very good football team. If Glennon comes on as the season progresses they'll be tough to beat

The year before Freeman's 16/22 season he had 25 TDs and 6 picks while the team went 10-6. We won't act like Schiano was some godsend for Freeman. The Bucs need more than just a QB, which of course is the hardest position to fill. They need more speed on O. Vincent Jackson is big, has great hands but he's not a burner. Mike Williams isn't a burner. They are possession receivers and they would need a vertical threat to be a really good offense. They are trying to force the passing game on Doug Martin and he's failing miserably. They have some talent on D but they seem to be fairly soft. Bowers lack of production is hampering the pass rush. Revis doesn't fit in the zone packages they are running. Goldson can't stop head hunting. This team has holes. The biggest hole is leadership. Schiano has not clue. The O is far too vanilla, just like it was at Rutgers. They still play a clip from the preseason where Mike Williams tells reporters that they only have 4 plays. He said they have a few different formations that they run these 4 plays out of but he said they only have 4 plays. A lot of people assumed it was a joke but he never backtracked and no one ever refuted it. On defense, again, you bring in Revis, the supposed best cover corner in the game, and you put him in mostly zone? The guy has no idea what he's going. And most of all, if things don't start looking up for this team, the players are going to revolt. They aren't going to put up with a tyrant AND lose. The Bucs are a GM, coach, a QB and a few more pieces away from being a good team.

 

[futballiscool]

Vincent Jackson led the NFL in Yard Per Reception last year. He leads all active players in Yards Per Reception for his career.

Like I said, they're just missing a QB

 

[Skinnyfats]

Seems like a typical Mike Brown reclamation project to me. Damaged goods? Check. Character questions? Check. Low risk, High reward salary? Double Check!

He can't be a worse back up than Josh Johnson, and if he can get his head on right, he has way more talent than Dalton. Hell, I'm not even sure his head is all that messed up. I just think he was in the wrong situation in Tampa with Schiano.

Josh Freeman isn't any better than Dalton look up his stats.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Vincent Jackson led the NFL in Yard Per Reception last year. He leads all active players in Yards Per Reception for his career.

Like I said, they're just missing a QB

It's not just the QB.

 

[flamingrey]

Josh Freeman isn't any better than Dalton look up his stats.

Dalton's stats are much better than he is.

 

[Skinnyfats]

Dalton's stats are much better than he is.

Yep, basically what I said already.