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I dn't blame the Lakers for firing Brown. Our plan was to win it all last year so when we weren't playing up to potential, Brown got singled out. You add in the injuries (Kobe, Dwight and Ron playing through injury, Nash, etc), it appeared obvious the Lakers problems were a lot deeper than the head coach. Dwight thought he was going to get an easy title and when things didn't turn out the way we planned he bolted.

Obviously if we knew then what we know now, we'd let Brown ride the bench for a while in cruise control until Phil felt ready to take over. It was win now and ownership figured we'd start winning now if we changed the head coach.

Maybe Jeanie could have stopped it but in her recent interview, she was speaking as if she was just barely getting back to work. I'm sure the man we so affectionately call "Short Buss" was also in the process of grieving for his father and was probably grasping for straws trying to keep the Lakers a winning organization. Lots of turmoil.

I think Jeannie could have turned it around if she had went into the locker room and told them every time they get a win in the regular season, she would come in naked for them. 82 wins easy
 

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Seriously though I am amazed that the Miami Weenies are still bitching and whining over something that does not concern them in the least. They claim D'antoni isn't a good coach, so if they believe that they should be happy.
 

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He would have made adjustments. It was only 5 games under trying circumstances.
Unless Kobe wanted him out, or Phil was for sure coming back, I don't to this day understand what all the panic was about.

I disagree!! Brown approached Kobe right after the final playoff loss the season before!! The deals that brought Dwight and Nash happened before training camp started. So Brown had from the moment that Nash and Dwight became Lakers, all of training camp and the pre-season to make whatever adjustments he was going to make!! He chose to stick with the Princeton offense and it cost him his job!!
 

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I disagree!! Brown approached Kobe right after the final playoff loss the season before!! The deals that brought Dwight and Nash happened before training camp started. So Brown had from the moment that Nash and Dwight became Lakers, all of training camp and the pre-season to make whatever adjustments he was going to make!! He chose to stick with the Princeton offense and it cost him his job!!

Well he might have made adjustments once he got into the shape Mike D'antoni got into, but by then it would have been too late and the Lakers were trying to avoid that. Miami weenies are just pissed because the Lakers got rid of a bad coach
 

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Seriously though I am amazed that the Miami Weenies are still bitching and whining over something that does not concern them in the least. They claim D'antoni isn't a good coach, so if they believe that they should be happy.


You are making a (bigger) fool out of yourself.
I have wanted a Lakers/Heat Finals since day 1.

As bad as the Lakers were last year, I sold my seats for that game for what Finals tickets were going for.
I could only image what James/Kobe Finals would sell for!
 

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You are making a (bigger) fool out of yourself.
I have wanted a Lakers/Heat Finals since day 1.

As bad as the Lakers were last year, I sold my seats for that game for what Finals tickets were going for.
I could only image what James/Kobe Finals would sell for!

But only with a bad coach - Phil Jackson would scare you
 

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I disagree!! Brown approached Kobe right after the final playoff loss the season before!! The deals that brought Dwight and Nash happened before training camp started. So Brown had from the moment that Nash and Dwight became Lakers, all of training camp and the pre-season to make whatever adjustments he was going to make!! He chose to stick with the Princeton offense and it cost him his job!!




Then explain this. The night before the firing, no less.



After what is arguably the Lakers ugliest loss of the season in Utah — although it’s really hard to pick just one, they have all been so ugly — the heat from fans and the media is back on coach Mike Brown and his Princeton offense.
But not from Lakers ownership.
Jim Buss preached patience and backed Brown, he gave a vote of confidence to his coach when speaking with Ramona Shelburne of ESPNLA.com.
“I have no problems with Mike Brown at all,” Buss said. “He just works too hard and he’s too knowledgeable for this to be happening.
“So either the system is flawed or something’s going on. Or, like the Triangle, it’s very hard to pick up and understand. I’m not a basketball mind like he is or the players are, and the players are fine with it, so I just have to be patient….
“You have to give it time to understand [what's going on],” Buss said. “I don’t know if there’s an actual game total that would make me impatient. I know if we’re 1-15, I don’t think that would be very good. I’m sure that would be a panic button. But at this time, I’m fine with what’s going on. It’s a learning process for the players. As long as everybody is on the same page, I think we’re fine.


Here is what I think happened:

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But only with a bad coach - Phil Jackson would scare you



What does that even mean?

Any opponent in the Finals is a talented, well coached team, or they wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.

Phil would scare me if he had MJ/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe.

Him being on the sideline with any of the Lakers rosters the last few years would phase me one bit, nor would it prevent the beatdown that the Heat would have layed on them.
 

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Everything that happened the season before flew out the window when the Lakers lost those 20 games in a row even though most of them were preseason games and didn't count. What concerned the office is the fact that no progress was being made and that the Lakers should have been playing better. You have to realize that in the real world Turniphead, that they can say attaboy 1000 times, but then fire you for one OH SHIT, YOU FUCKED UP.
 

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What does that even mean?

Any opponent in the Finals is a talented, well coached team, or they wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.

Phil would scare me if he had MJ/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe.

Him being on the sideline with any of the Lakers rosters the last few years would phase me one bit, nor would it prevent the beatdown that the Heat would have layed on them.

If that was true, you wouldn't still be bitching and whining like a St Bernard in heat
 

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Heat fans keep forgetting their winning team was put together by an Ex-Laker Player, Coach, and GM who was mentored by none other than the logo himself.
 

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Then explain this. The night before the firing, no less.



After what is arguably the Lakers ugliest loss of the season in Utah — although it’s really hard to pick just one, they have all been so ugly — the heat from fans and the media is back on coach Mike Brown and his Princeton offense.
But not from Lakers ownership.
Jim Buss preached patience and backed Brown, he gave a vote of confidence to his coach when speaking with Ramona Shelburne of ESPNLA.com.
“I have no problems with Mike Brown at all,” Buss said. “He just works too hard and he’s too knowledgeable for this to be happening.
“So either the system is flawed or something’s going on. Or, like the Triangle, it’s very hard to pick up and understand. I’m not a basketball mind like he is or the players are, and the players are fine with it, so I just have to be patient….
“You have to give it time to understand [what's going on],” Buss said. “I don’t know if there’s an actual game total that would make me impatient. I know if we’re 1-15, I don’t think that would be very good. I’m sure that would be a panic button. But at this time, I’m fine with what’s going on. It’s a learning process for the players. As long as everybody is on the same page, I think we’re fine.


Here is what I think happened:

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First off, what does what Jim Buss said just before the firing have to do with whether or not Brown should have scrapped the Princeton offense when the Lakers got Nash and Howard? The bottom line is that the offense he chose to stick with, didn't match the personnel that he now had.

Also, it's not as if Brown was the first coach in the history of sports to get the dreaded "vote of confidence" before he got fired.

As for what YOU think happened: :omg: You blame Kobe!! What a shock!! I'm sure that everyone who read that just passed out from the shock of you blaming Kobe!! Kobe was publicly supportive of Brown right up to the end!! Of course, now you'll say that Kobe was only saying what he HAD to say!!

You really are a one trick pony!!:lol:
 
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First off, what does what Jim Buss said just before the firing have to do with whether or not Brown should have scrapped the Princeton offense when the Lakers got Nash and Howard? The bottom line is that the offense he chose to stick with, didn't match the personnel that he now had.

Also, it's not as if Brown was the first coach in the history of sports to get the dreaded "vote of confidence" before he got fired.

As for what YOU think happened: :omg: You blame Kobe!! What a shock!! I'm sure that everyone who read that just passed out from the shock of you blaming Kobe!! Kobe was publicly supportive of Brown right up to the end!! Of course, now you'll say that Kobe was only saying what he HAD to say!!

You really are a one trick pony!!:lol:




I believe Brown had said that he was looking to make adjustments. Every coach does. All season long.
You act like he was defending the losses, the system, and refusing to adjust.
The offense he " stuck with"? It was a handful,of games with basically a new roster.

Didn't the Heat in year 1 start 11-8, or something?


The only way to find out if something will work or not is to experiment, and that has to happen in regular season games. Preseason is meaningless for so many different reasons.


I can't EVER remember a coach getting a vote of confidence like Brown did the night before he got canned. Do you?

Did somebody force Buss to make those comments? Was he just flat out lying for no reason?

On the other hand, on the same night, the cameras caught Kobe glaring at Brown.
Everyone saw it, Everyone commented on it.

Do we know for sure that was the reason for the overnight sudden drastic change of opinion? Nope.
But in the world of common sense, it fits right in.

In this instance, I take Kobe's words with a grain of salt. Didn't he also say everything was peachy keen between he and Howard?

The real one trick pony around here is watching all if you fumble and bumble to try to make a case for each others inaccuracies.
 

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Heat fans keep forgetting their winning team was put together by an Ex-Laker Player, Coach, and GM who was mentored by none other than the logo himself.



Guess you should have tried harder to keep him, because right now, your team is in a spiraling mess.
 

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Guess you should have tried harder to keep him, because right now, your team is in a spiraling mess.

Not necessarily - If Kobe and Gasol are healthy, the Lakers might play well - They have been marked for losses before and came out firing.
 

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First off, what does what Jim Buss said just before the firing have to do with whether or not Brown should have scrapped the Princeton offense when the Lakers got Nash and Howard? The bottom line is that the offense he chose to stick with, didn't match the personnel that he now had.

Also, it's not as if Brown was the first coach in the history of sports to get the dreaded "vote of confidence" before he got fired.

As for what YOU think happened: :omg: You blame Kobe!! What a shock!! I'm sure that everyone who read that just passed out from the shock of you blaming Kobe!! Kobe was publicly supportive of Brown right up to the end!! Of course, now you'll say that Kobe was only saying what he HAD to say!!

You really are a one trick pony!!:lol:[/QUOTE



And please quit playing the lame and incorrect 'he hates Kobe' card, because it isn't the case.
I just call things as I see them. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, but at least its coming from what I know is an honest point of view.

Didn't I write this about Kobe, in a repsonse to you on the 'Kobe overrated' thread?
Originally Posted by trojanfan12
When the other Heat fans on this board see this, you are going to be in biiiiiiiig trouble!! You have strayed way off of the Heat reservation with this post!!

They might pull your Heat fan card!!
lol2.gif


Seriously though, good post and well stated!! To be fair re: the MJ/Kobe comparisons, Kobe fueled some of it earlier in his career by stating that he wanted to be considered better than MJ and by copying so much of his game and mannerisms!!

As he's gotten older, he's moved away from much of that, but he did "feed the monster" in his younger days!!





"Not all Heat fans.
My opinion on this thread was that Kobe was one of the best, most fun to watch players of all time. "



It's no different then what's going on with Beasley.
As much as I like him, I'm not going to disagree with all of the negative things that are being written about him, because they appear to be true.
 

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Not necessarily - If Kobe and Gasol are healthy, the Lakers might play well - They have been marked for losses before and came out firing.


And if Sports Chic wasn't exposed by Hammer for having a dick, 'she' would still be here.

Let's just say, that until otherwise proven, yor team is a spiraling mess.

Nothing that I have seen this offseason will change your team for the better this season.
 

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And if Sports Chic wasn't exposed by Hammer for having a dick, 'she' would still be here.

Let's just say, that until otherwise proven, yor team is a spiraling mess.

Nothing that I have seen this offseason will change your team for the better this season.

Don't worry, Miami's time for shit is coming and then we will be here to laugh and rub it in. The Lakers are known for rebuilding and coming back. Riley might get a few more but when he is gone so is Miami for the next decade:laugh3:
 

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Either way the fact that the Miami Weenies didn't like the Brown firing makes me think that the Lakers were on the right track with that. When the enemy doesn't like your team's moves and is still bitching like dogs in heat a year later - That's a good sign
 

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I believe Brown had said that he was looking to make adjustments. Every coach does. All season long.
You act like he was defending the losses, the system, and refusing to adjust.
The offense he " stuck with"? It was a handful,of games with basically a new roster.

Didn't the Heat in year 1 start 11-8, or something?

He had the entire off-season and pre-season to make adjustments. He didn't and he got fired. Heck, the highest level of coaching that I reached was high school and I knew the Princeton offense wasn't going to work with that roster. I would think that as an NBA coach, Brown could have figured that out sooner than I did.

The Heat's issues were different. They had the right system from day 1. They just needed the big 3 to figure out their roles.


The only way to find out if something will work or not is to experiment, and that has to happen in regular season games. Preseason is meaningless for so many different reasons.

Pre-season isn't meaningless for a team learning an entirely new system. Pre-season is where you can get an idea of how it's likely to work. Pre-season is meaningless for teams that already have a system in place.

I can't EVER remember a coach getting a vote of confidence like Brown did the night before he got canned. Do you?

Maybe not the night before, but there is a reason that it's called "the dreaded vote of confidence" and that's because it usually comes shortly before the coach gets fired. Coaches who aren't about to be fired don't need a vote of confidence.

Did somebody force Buss to make those comments? Was he just flat out lying for no reason?

Who knows what the hell he was thinking? Was there anything about the way that whole situation was handled that looked right? They fire Brown 5 games into the season, make it look like Phil is going to be the coach and then to everyone's surprise (including D'Antoni's) hire D'Antoni!!

On the other hand, on the same night, the cameras caught Kobe glaring at Brown.
Everyone saw it, Everyone commented on it.

And "everyone" was who exactly? The media who sensationalize anything and everything around the Lakers? Message board pinheads who buy into all of the media hype? There isn't a coach or teammate, opponent, opposing coach or referee in the league in his 17 year career that hasn't been glared at by Kobe. He does that!! I've seen Phil get glared at by Kobe on many occasions. No big deal was ever made of it because it was Phil and not Mike Brown.

Do we know for sure that was the reason for the overnight sudden drastic change of opinion? Nope.
But in the world of common sense, it fits right in.

Maybe in YOUR world of common sense it does. The rest of us all know that, as I mentioned above, every coach, teammate, etc. has been glared at by Kobe at one time or another. Hell, I'm sure Dr. Buss himself has been glared at by Kobe at least a couple of times. The only person in the entire Laker organization that probably hasn't been glared at by him is Jeannie. After all, who the heck would ever want to glare at her?:lol:

In this instance, I take Kobe's words with a grain of salt. Didn't he also say everything was peachy keen between he and Howard?

And so did Howard!! In fact, Howard said that Kobe had nothing to do with why he left and he admitted that if Phil were still the coach, he'd likely still be a Laker!! Of course, in the turnup world of common sense, that just means it was Kobe's fault!!

The real one trick pony around here is watching all if you fumble and bumble to try to make a case for each others inaccuracies.

No, blaming everything from Shaq leaving ,to Mike Brown being fired, to Dwight leaving, to global warming on Kobe is the very definition of a one trick pony.
 
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