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That was kind of the point... blkflag alluded to it. Bo can't coach guys up. Needs elite talent or the whole thing folds like a cheap suit

Sad but it's true Bo need top talent and history showed that why 2011-2012 was bad bc of 08-10 recruits that failed or neve improved which is on the coaches

"Defensive geniuses" don't need elite talent at every level of the defense to make it work.

For bo style and scheme he can't use Avg players. People forgot how many talented players we had in 02-03 that why the change was so quick bc talent was there and ready. Just like Saban can't use avg talent defense wise so Saban get em while Bo complains about the recruiting system.

I think we dropped the genius moniker a couple hundred days ago anyway.
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My last post I did it wrong. But I like Bo I love his intensity but his stubbornness hurts us but I hope he changes things around easy schedule easy division red carpet is there for the Indy trip no pun intended.

Recruit recruit coach em up and tell em time is NOW. Under new college football playoffs were not gonna get love schedule strength wise.
 

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Look at the last year before Bo

I attended the Ball State game (which we barely won). But the defense literally was lost and IMO quit on the team. The looked confused, tired, and lacked motivation. I saw much of the same thing this last year especially in the two blowouts we suffered through.

When people speak of team chemistry it isn't JUST the players, it has to include the coaches as well. I didn't see much of that last year especially in the games we lost. I think coaches quit as well as the players. This year is going to be a real test for Bo & co. in this direction.

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Huskers/Chargers fan eh?
 

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Defensive genuises need great players to play with... you think Nick Saban would be such a genius without his bevvy of NFL talent? Or how about Will Muschamp? Name a defensive guru and he has the talent to back it up. The problem with Bo is that he was cocky to the point of arrogance we he began his career at Nebraska. He thought he could recruit whatever type of kid he wanted and make them into a Suh. He's now realized that's not the case.

Bo's big problem is not development, it's pure talent. I mean we had ONE draft pick from our defense last season... a defense that still ranked in the top 30 after giving up 63 and 70 points to Ohio State and Wisconsin. The talent level was poor. This season, the talent level will be better, but we will be younger, I think this defense actually ends up improving in 2013. And Bo gets it back on the right track. I could be wrong, but Bo has a long standing tradition of being a great defensive mind and I'm not ready to undo that after two seasons of being sketchy.

(by the way, as bad as last year was defensively it STILL wasn't as bad as 2007, 2007 was abysmal)

People need to take into account the fact that Bo initially recruited and developed schemes to stop all the Big 12 spread defenses, and it worked. Then he moves to the B1G who is not as offensively proficient but is much more diverse, the diversity of the offenses is what is killing Bo right now. I think year 3 he will have a better handle on things. I hope.
 

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I think its recruiting. I saw a chart once where it shows Bo's defenses on a slow roll downward after he was at a program for a couple of years.
 

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I know..thats why i wish i could find that damn chart again.
 

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I think its recruiting. I saw a chart once where it shows Bo's defenses on a slow roll downward after he was at a program for a couple of years.

Bo's been pretty hands off with recruiting everywhere he's been, until he accepted the HC position, that's much of the problem
 

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The question has been raised many times whether Bo actually "likes" being a head coach.

I think he truly does. He's an alpha male and alpha males like control.

Keep in mind, Nick Saban seems like he hates his job too. He is literally a carbon copy of Bo in terms of personality (alpha male control freak rageaholic). He's actually even more contentious with the media, but he wins and produces, so they cut him slack.

I swear I haven't seen a single interview where Saban doesn't seem like he's fantasizing about ripping a member of the medias head off.

The difference between Saban at Bama and Bo at Nebraska is Alabama is a lot closer to where talented kids are.

A lot of these kids parents want to see their kids play in person. That's like their main stipulation in the recruiting process and many of them don't have the means to be flying to places like MI, PA, OH, IA, NE 10 times a year.

Lincoln is a great place. A fantastic place. Unfortunately it's smack dab in the middle of the country.

I went off on a tangent there...
 
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Defensive genuises need great players to play with... you think Nick Saban would be such a genius without his bevvy of NFL talent? Or how about Will Muschamp? Name a defensive guru and he has the talent to back it up. The problem with Bo is that he was cocky to the point of arrogance we he began his career at Nebraska. He thought he could recruit whatever type of kid he wanted and make them into a Suh. He's now realized that's not the case.

Bo's big problem is not development, it's pure talent. I mean we had ONE draft pick from our defense last season... a defense that still ranked in the top 30 after giving up 63 and 70 points to Ohio State and Wisconsin. The talent level was poor. This season, the talent level will be better, but we will be younger, I think this defense actually ends up improving in 2013. And Bo gets it back on the right track. I could be wrong, but Bo has a long standing tradition of being a great defensive mind and I'm not ready to undo that after two seasons of being sketchy.

(by the way, as bad as last year was defensively it STILL wasn't as bad as 2007, 2007 was abysmal)

People need to take into account the fact that Bo initially recruited and developed schemes to stop all the Big 12 spread defenses, and it worked. Then he moves to the B1G who is not as offensively proficient but is much more diverse, the diversity of the offenses is what is killing Bo right now. I think year 3 he will have a better handle on things. I hope.

I think Bo better at stopping big12 spread defense.
Back then you needed hybrid players at DL lb/safety and smart ss/cb. Nut I agree and Bo needs to go hard at recruiting.
 

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Bo teaches a scheme that is non existent in CFB, and a relic in the NFL.

There are maybe 2 teams who run the 2 gap in the NFL and they aint even good.

Still, it's extremely effective in terms of pass defense. Run defense? Clearly not so much.

Nebraska didn't really face any good ground games in the big 12. They neutralized offenses that were extremely pass-heavy.

You put a pro-style QB up against Bo Pelini and he is going to get his ass raped. That is a statistical fact. Dual threat QB's and run-heavy teams are Bo's kryptonite.

Starting to wonder if Bo actually knows how to stop the run.
 
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Just to be clear I'm not saying Bo will get his ass raped by NFL QB's, I'm saying the QB will get his ass raped by Bo.

It's a statistical fact that QB's who are statues in the pocket get wrecked by Bo's scheme. You are playing right into his hands if you have a slow whiteboy who likes to throw it.

That's why I wish Ohio State would run a pro style Offense... They are the only team in our way of owning the B1G now.

Michigan is going in the pro-style QB direction with kids like shane morris. Pretty happy about that.
 
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Just to be clear I'm not saying Bo will get his ass raped by NFL QB's, I'm saying the QB will get his ass raped by Bo.

It's a statistical fact that QB's who are statues in the pocket get wrecked by Bo's scheme. You are playing right into his hands if you have a slow whiteboy who likes to throw it.

That's why I wish Ohio State would run a pro style Offense... They are the only team in our way of owning the B1G now.

Michigan is going in the pro-style QB direction with kids like shane morris. Pretty happy about that.

2009 we were pretty good at stopping the run... one of the best in the country actually. It all started with the DL. In Bo's scheme if the safeties can stay back and the front seven control the line of scrimmage (a la 2009/2010) that defense will handle any offense, even a run heavy one. The problem, at least to me... stems from our 2008-2010 recruiting classes. Bo has not shown that he can project interior linemen from the highschool level at all. I'm hoping with Kaz on board that will change. I really really like Aaron Curry, Vincent Valentine and Maliek Collins, unfortunately they're all freshmen.

Take a look at Bo's DTs he's recruited... it's telling:

2008- Quintin Toailoa, Baker Steinkuhler
2009- Thad Randle
2010- Jay Guy, Chase Rome, Toby Okuyemi
2011- Todd Peat Jr., Kevin Williams
2012- Aaron Curry, Vincent Valentine
2013- Maliek Collins, Kevin Maurice

how many of those guys have excelled in Bo's system? Maybe one? Chase Rome and Todd Peat Jr., the two highest rated guys aren't even here anymore. Jay Guy and Toby Okuyemi are, at best, FCS level talents and Thad Randle and Kevin Williams have knee issues. This staff needs to realize that we need to bring in at least 3 DTs every class, hopefully one of them pans out. From 2008-2011 we've seen exactly 2 of the 6 DTs do something worth anything on this team.
 

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I should look up the stats, and I hope you try to prove me wrong, but my main point was we didn't face good run offenses in 2009 hence my questioning of Big 12 run games that we played.

Some pretty shitty run games Bo went against in his good years.
 

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I really really really hope my instincts are wrong but the way I see it we have all the ingredients in hand to make up a DL for next year that could be worse than last years train wreck, just by depth and inexperience alone. On the other hand, there's five more fingers, but also it could be good in that most of them weren't a part of that train wreck.
 

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I should look up the stats, and I hope you try to prove me wrong, but my main point was we didn't face good run offenses in 2009 hence my questioning of Big 12 run games that we played.

Some pretty shitty run games Bo went against in his good years.

For the most part you're right but Virginia Tech, Iowa State and Kansas State all had top rushing offenses (Virginia Tech's ended 14th) and we held them collectively to 27 points.
 
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