Its on RG3

[SkinsDalltheWay]

Dean, the media would have a field day with starting cousins over robert. It would cause a tebow/haynesworth like distraction, and thats what you think will help the skins? Its not an ego thing with robert... Its a team thing. Cousins is not even proven. They could play cousins, have him lay a fat gooseegg and then be even worse off.

 

[sublime4eva]

RGIII will never get in game shape unless he plays, you can't duplicate real game speed at practice...
If we even waited 5 weeks for him to get ready by playing Cousins instead it would still take him 3 to 5 weeks to get his confidence and game legs back, even Pro's and ex-Pro's have stated this, this subject needs to end, it's old.

 

[Krusheasy]

Jeez - get over it already. Cousins is the 2nd string QB & does not - and should not - start for any reason other than an injury to RG3. .

5m[/ame] Pierre Garcon maintained on Monday that Robert Griffin III is "not fully healthy, obviously." [URL="http://t.co/O3y8fDW0IW"]http://is.gd/hogacu

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Dean, the media would have a field day with starting cousins over robert. It would cause a tebow/haynesworth like distraction, and thats what you think will help the skins? Its not an ego thing with robert... Its a team thing. Cousins is not even proven. They could play cousins, have him lay a fat gooseegg and then be even worse off.

I think it would be a lose-lose situation. If they lose all those games with Cousins it stirs up the pot, causes issues with RG3 & others & you still have 2-4 games for RG3 to get ready (his rustiness is not due to physical injury - it is a combo of outright rust & mental type issues that will exist regardless).

If they win with Cousins (in a situation where it does not appear that RG3 is hurt) then what? You will have all sorts of people asking to stick with Cousins for the rest of the season (until he fails). You will - again - quite possibly create a divided locker room. You can say that shouldn't happen but it is human nature.

In any case it is a moot point - you can't undo what has been done & - like it or not - RG3 is the Redskins starting QB & you don't bench guys like that due to some poor plays.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

5m Pierre Garcon maintained on Monday that Robert Griffin III is "not fully healthy, obviously." http://is.gd/hogacu

If that is true & can be verified then I would be alright with a QB switch but that needs to be verified. I also kind of take issue with Garcon constantly offering comments like this to the media. He needs to control his comments a little better.

 

[enkay21]

The defense last year gave up 3 more points through the first 3 games, and we were only 1 game better because the offense lit up the Saints. If RG3 came in healthy and was never hurt, and the defense played the way it has so far this season, we're probably looking at 1-2 again just like last year.

I saw RG3 avoid sacks and scramble for yards and he seemed fluid to me, both live at the game and on film. He's probably not where he wants to be but I don't think he's that far off from being 100%.

0-3 sucks, but the reality is we probably wouldn't be much better (just like last year). I'll be more interested to see how this team looks after the Bye, which is when things really started to gel for us last year. 3-6 and 0-3 aren't that different from each other.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

you know what they say. a back up QB is the most popular player on a team that is losing.

It is absolutely absurd that you guys entertain switching QBs.
Are you saying a slower RGIII (from last year) is slower than Cousins?
Are you saying Cousins is the better passer than RGIII?
If you switch QBs & for arguments sake he wins. Then you have to leave him in & leave your franchise QB on the bench. You cant just go swapping them around whenever. 1st off that is never gonna happen & 2nd of all that is simply crazy talk from frustrated fans. You Switch QBs just go fire your HC right now. there is no rational explanation to switching the QB.
RGIII is a 2nd year QB that has to adjust to the DCs adjusting to him. it is & always be a cat & mouse game. There is a reason most Rookie QBs has sophomore slumps. benching him only makes his growth take longer. You bench him when you have given up on him being a starter. Which no way that is happening.
Some of you are pretty crazy.

 

[Krusheasy]

I saw RG3 avoid sacks and scramble for yards and he seemed fluid to me, both live at the game and on film. He's probably not where he wants to be but I don't think he's that far off from being 100%.

Compared to last years speed & elusiveness, I'd put him at 65%. Weather it is the knee brace, or just loss of strength in the knee ... i have no clue, but he appears to be struggling to stand up off the ground.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Compared to last years speed & elusiveness, I'd put him at 65%. Weather it is the knee brace, or just loss of strength in the knee ... i have no clue, but he appears to be struggling to stand up off the ground.

Don't know about any percentages but you could be right. There appeared to be several plays where he could not outrun Lions defensive lineman. I know that they are athletic for D-lineman but cmon. Compare that to that infamous 4th & 10 play against the Giants last year where RG3 outran the entire Giants defense before passing for the 1st down.

Something just appears to be off right now - hopefully it is corrected soon.

 

[deanpet21]

Who cares what the media says. If we rested RG3 for the first month he would of came back faster and sharper. Starting QB's only get minimal work in pre-season. What makes RG3 great is his legs. His legs are not even close to 100%. His mechanics are way off. How do you expect us to win games? The team would of have been better with Cousins b/c he is 100%. Shanny let the media and RG3's ego dictate his starting QB for his team. Inexcusable. Now we are in a deep hole.

Plus how can anyone say Cousins is unproven when he actually won a key game for us on the way to the division title?

 

[Krusheasy]

If we rested RG3 for the first month he would of came back faster and sharper.

In retrospect, the team would have had a greater opportunity for success with Cousins starting the season given Griffin lack of speed and "rust" ala not stepping into throws.

However, Griffin is making progress & the opportunity for Cousins to start has passed.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes but the team pays for RG3 progress which it shouldn't. He is going to beat the Raiders and the talk will dye down b/c we have the bye next week.

 

[elocomotive]

I see a lot of voices in this thread at both ends, so let me put forward this middle position...

Yes, yesterday's loss was mostly RG3's fault. The fact is that regardless of yardage (which is not how they score games), the defense had us at a 20-point deficit yesterday, giving up 27 points and scoring 7 of their own. Asking this offense to score 21 points at home should be reasonable. And they were in position to do so, but RG3 made two completely bone-headed plays - (1) he waited 8 paces too long to just throw the ball out of bounds and (2) he made a dumb fumble and didn't protect the ball. Both these mistakes killed drives where we were deep in Lions' territory. Mistakes that likely cost us roughly 10 points and thus the game. He also threw a lot of balls behind receivers all day long. All that said, it's okay. Guys have bad games. And at times he looked more like 2012 RG3 than anything we saw so far this year. The mistakes were unfortunate, but when a guy has won so many games for this team, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. RG3 is a smart kid. I'm more encouraged by the trend of him being more mobile and his passing footwork being better than I am discouraged by a couple dumb mistakes (from a really smart guy) or a few balls thrown behind (the timing will get better).

No, Kirk Cousins should not be starting. RG3 is the future. He is the franchise. You put Cousins in when you answer yes to the following questions - Is RG3 not healthy enough to play, is he endangering his future health (beyond the normal risk to any player in any given week) to play today, and is there nothing on the line for this season? Only when you say yes to those do you put Cousins in. He's a backup. He's there when RG3 isn't healthy enough to play or when the juice isn't worth the squeeze. That's it. Period. RG3 is looking better each week. He's still wearing a brace and despite that he still is dangerous out there. He'll get better. If he is endangering himself, you put in Cousins. Otherwise, I have faith. We can't get impatient. Turning around a big ship is a slow process (especially when handicapped by the cap).

 

[deanpet21]

That is the whole point why you put Cousins in b/c RG3 is the franchise and future and you want to protect him as much as possible. We can win with Cousins which has been proven and RG3 is not 100% that is why you play Cousins for the first month of the season.

 

[elocomotive]

That is the whole point why you put Cousins in b/c RG3 is the franchise and future and you want to protect him as much as possible. We can win with Cousins which has been proven and RG3 is not 100% that is why you play Cousins for the first month of the season.

Not if the doctor says he is okay to play. There is a difference between being fully medically healed (which the doctor says he is) and getting back to PLAYING at 100% (timing, speed, comfortability, etc.).

That is the part you don't seem to get.

 

[j_y19]

Not if the doctor says he is okay to play. There is a difference between being fully medically healed (which the doctor says he is) and getting back to PLAYING at 100% (timing, speed, comfortability, etc.).

That is the part you don't seem to get.

That is exactly the part he doesn't get. He seems to believe that if we just shelved him for another month, he could come off the bench and play like he did last year.

Dean, look back at what Tom Brady did his first 6 games after he returned from knee surgery......should they have benched him?

 

[deanpet21]

Brady performed better than RG3 bad example.

 

[elocomotive]

Brady performed better than RG3 bad example.

It doesn't matter - there are tons of examples and you don't seem to get it.

How would waiting 4 more weeks help RG3?

The ligament healing takes time, but that part is done. The rest is about getting comfortability, speed, etc. back. And we've seen those things improving with each passing week (even despite playing with the knee brace).

 

[FLSkinsfan]

Brady performed better than RG3 bad example.

Brady had a super bowl team behind him as well. The first 3 games were Buffalo, Jets, Atlanta. He also played in the preseason because he had 11 months of rehab. Give RG3 a break and watch what he does from here on out. This is not about winning the SB this year, but building this team to compete for it for years to come.

 

[j_y19]

Dean, once again, you wrong. When brady returned from his injury season, his first 4 games he was terrible. His completion % was well below 60%, he threw a couple INTs. But then he turned it around as he started to get his grove back. As he said, it was something he had to play through. So does RG3. You can't avoid it by sitting him, then you just delay it.

BTW, its not about if Brady played better (which he didn't), its that he didn't play up to his expectations because he was coming off a serious injury.