Is it time for the "Michigan with a GREAT win to open the season" thread yet?

[Cleaves2000]

Well, Michigan has higher recruiting standards and that's why you guys get all the Maurice Clarett's...

Riggggggght like csont "hit and run" york.....or brandon "the rapist" gibbons....or the great captain taylor "roid raging ill kick the victims ass if she talks" lewan? Yup standards are real high....

 

[Cleaves2000]

You mean evidence like coming within two points of winning a game which basically everyone expected Michigan to get run off the field?

And evidence like a dramatic uptick in recruiting?

Sort of like when UM barely beat akron and UCONN? 2 powerhouse?

 

[MarkOU]

Hey this thread.

Might as well post these gems...

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

Typical idiot scUM fan.....if recruiting rankings win games....how has sparty beat scUm 5 out of 6 years.....you STILL have to coach. Darqueze dennard 2 star recruit. Kirk cousins 2-3 star recruit.....keep making excuses and living off the past. How many NC's has UM won in the last 50 years? 1/2?

So i dont get it....youre saying hoke will be good once rich rods recruits are gone.....well coach D didnt have his recruits his first 3 yrs either...i say its all BS....hoke had his BEST year with rich rods players....this years team wont be better than the team that went to a BCS bowl with rich rods players..

Keep living off the 1800's

True, recruiting (and therefore the rankings) are not the end all be all, but there is clear correlation between the teams that finish in the top 10 in the rankings, and how high they are in the recruiting rankings. I mean consider the during their recent run of success, Alabama hasn't had a single class outside of the the top 10. Hat's off to Dantonio for developing the talent he can get, but he'd most likely admit he'd kill for the recruits Alabama pulls in.

So as for trying to compare what Dantonio as done, remember, he didn't have success until he got his recruits and had a full four years to coach and develop them. Hoke is still in the process. But as for the defense, Hoke does have the advantage of arguably the best DC in the business. And despite popular belief, that 11-2 season wasn't with Rich Rod recruits. Go back at look at who the play-makers were, outside of Denard, they went by the names of Hemingway, Molk, and Van Bergen. The senior class, the class of 2007. Which if memory serves, was not a Rich Rod class, but a Lloyd Carr class. That shows what happens when Hoke has strong senior leadership with talent ('07 was 12th according to Rivals) that fits his system. Because remember, Michigan went through a failed attempt to switch to a spread offense, hence why there were no tall WR's once Hemingway left.


And oh, it's one thing for a Alabama or an Ohio State fan to make the remark about "living in the past," outside of last year, what the fuck has MSU done? That's right, be a bottom feeder in the Big Ten that struggled to even get to a bowl game. Last year was Sparty's first trip to Pasadena in over 20 years! Sit down Little Brother, I hoped you enjoyed the run, but Big Brother is back.

 

[The Authority]

Then explain to me, if Meyer is a better coach, why did he need a last second stand against a team that was far inferior to his?

And the year previous also pulled a close one?


Given the talent gap, if as you say Meyer is the better coach, he should have run Hoke's squad off the field! But he barely squeaked by times. So what happens when Hoke closes that talent gap?

Better coaches don't win every time.

And here you go again acting like one years results impacts the following year.



There have been several times during this stretch of OSU dominance that Michigan was supposed to win and didn't.

Do you ever wonder why no one agrees with you? Even your fellow fans don't seem believe the stuff you trying to sell

 

[The Authority]

So what happens when Michigan shits the bed again this year?

What will be your excuse then?

 

[Cleaves2000]

True, recruiting (and therefore the rankings) are not the end all be all, but there is clear correlation between the teams that finish in the top 10 in the rankings, and how high they are in the recruiting rankings. I mean consider the during their recent run of success, Alabama hasn't had a single class outside of the the top 10. Hat's off to Dantonio for developing the talent he can get, but he'd most likely admit he'd kill for the recruits Alabama pulls in.

So as for trying to compare what Dantonio as done, remember, he didn't have success until he got his recruits and had a full four years to coach and develop them. Hoke is still in the process. But as for the defense, Hoke does have the advantage of arguably the best DC in the business. And despite popular belief, that 11-2 season wasn't with Rich Rod recruits. Go back at look at who the play-makers were, outside of Denard, they went by the names of Hemingway, Molk, and Van Bergen. The senior class, the class of 2007. Which if memory serves, was not a Rich Rod class, but a Lloyd Carr class. That shows what happens when Hoke has strong senior leadership with talent ('07 was 12th according to Rivals) that fits his system. Because remember, Michigan went through a failed attempt to switch to a spread offense, hence why there were no tall WR's once Hemingway left.


And oh, it's one thing for a Alabama or an Ohio State fan to make the remark about "living in the past," outside of last year, what the fuck has MSU done? That's right, be a bottom feeder in the Big Ten that struggled to even get to a bowl game. Last year was Sparty's first trip to Pasadena in over 20 years! Sit down Little Brother, I hoped you enjoyed the run, but Big Brother is back.

Ok lets try this again. How many NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS has UM won in the last 50 yrs? As for the rose bowl, seems like everytime UM made one they got beat.

Havent been a bottom feeder for awhile now.

Funny how UM basketball program has had TWO good years in 22 yrs. But yet their fans think theyre great. TWO YEARS!!!!!!! But yet in football they wanna go back to the 1800's and talk about all their wins.

 

[Cleaves2000]

In the last 65 or so years sparty has 6 national championships. UM one.... Alot of 1800's and 1920's and 30's and '40's wins though. So yeah enjoy all the titles from the old days when football was so different. Michigan has been irrelevant for awhile now.

But dont get me wrong. I love hoke. More than rich rod. He stands on the sideline like a big fat tub of goo looking lost. At least he was happy about the buffalo wild wings bowl. He ate em out of business. Had to change the sponsor.

I think narduzzi is easily the better DC. He turns 2-3 stars into a top defense.

 

[Cleaves2000]

'Hoke does have the advantage of arguably the best DC in the business. '

Hilarious. Only a UM fan would think that. Now he has the BEST OC too huh? Well damn, hes easily the best HC too.

 

[7Samurai13]

So what happens when Michigan shits the bed again this year?

What will be your excuse then?

Rich Rod's guys are still around.

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

So what happens when Michigan shits the bed again this year?

What will be your excuse then?

And what happens when Michigan surprises everyone and wins the Big Ten, making the Final Four?

What will be your excuse?

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

Look at all the cute Spartan fans, after a couple of good seasons and one admittedly great season they think they are kings of college football.

Consider this, it is safe to say the last ten years have been some of the best for MSU and some of the worst for Michigan.
MSU went 78-50, appeared in 7 bowls (one BCS) and two conference titles
Michigan went 77-49, appeared in 8 bowls (three BCS) and one confrence title

So if MSU's best years are about the same as Michigan's worse, what those that say about the two programs?

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

'Hoke does have the advantage of arguably the best DC in the business. '

Hilarious. Only a UM fan would think that. Now he has the BEST OC too huh? Well damn, hes easily the best HC too.

And only a MSU fan woud deny Mattison's resume. How many championships rings does Narduzzi have? Not as many as Mattison, not to mention the time Mattison spent as the DC, for the Baltimore Ravens (one of the best defenses in the NFL).

And yes, now he does have one the best OC's, with several rings and a long history developing QB's. Including one Drew Stanton.


Gotta love the denial.

 

[The Authority]

And what happens when Michigan surprises everyone and wins the Big Ten, making the Final Four?

What will be your excuse?

My excuse will be that hell froze over.

Now answer my question since I asked it first.

 

[Wamu]

And what happens when Michigan surprises everyone and wins the Big Ten, making the Final Four?

What will be your excuse?

That simply ain't happening.

 

[The Authority]

The problem with this UM Homer's theory is that as Hoke's players have gradually come into the fold according to him the team should have gotten better but that hasn't been the case.

They have gotten progressively worse.

He mentions that a lot of the losses were very close. Well that goes both ways because a lot of their wins were close as well that could of gone either way. AND some of those close wins were against teams like Akron and Uconn with huge talent differential.

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

And I'm sure you chumps had FSU beating Auburn in the title game at this time last year.


Now just to be clear, I am not predicting anything special out of Michigan this year, but all of last year's problems could be traced to one primary reason and a close secondary reason.

The primary was the youth and lack of experinece in the middle of the O-line. Now while we did loose two superb tackles, by all reports coming from camp this year's line will be better than last's. And if they could be just an average O-line, and everything else remains roughly constant, some of the loses become wins.

The secondary was along with the weakness at O-line, it was compounded by the terrible play calling of Al Borges. Thankfully, Michigan has seen a major upgrade there with the hiring of Doug Nussmeier. So again, provided most everything else remains constant, there will be more wins.

So in short, I'm expecting something like a 9-10 win season (including a win over Ohio State) with a quality bowl victory.


It could also go the other way, and if so my "excuse" is that Brady Hoke isn't the coach I think he is, however there are plenty of reasons to think that he is.

 

[Wamu]

but all of last year's problems could be traced to one primary reason





Brady Hoke right?

 

[Wamu]

but all of last year's problems could be traced to one primary reason





Brady Hoke right?

Thought I quoted GoBlue's # 117 comment.

 

[The Authority]

but all of last year's problems could be traced to one primary reason





Brady Hoke right?

Exactly. Isn't it Hoke's job to fill all those weaknesses and fill them fast.

Meyer came in and improved our O line in one year. It wasnt good at all before he got there. So I don't buy that excuse one bit.