Is Baker Mayfield a Bust?

[dtgold88]

Wow just wow. Let me try to explain this again. Does Garrett have a clause saying .....WILL NOT FORFEIT SIGNING BONUS OR VOID FUTURE GUARANTEES UPON SUSPENSION ?

No, he does not.

But the wow just wow is you and others thought the Browns made his first year base low so he would not lose much if suspended and this is factually incorrect.....and, of course, you cannot own you made this error.

 

[dtgold88]

Be interesting if Watson gets a suspension but it served in 2023. Seeing how he had his contract structured to minimize financial damage if he is suspended in 2022, I could see Goodell doing that (2023 suspension)

This would be the one I just referred to. You are referring to his 2022 base pay of just over a million and I keep trying to tell you the browns do this with many players who sign new deals (Garrett has the same 2022 base).

Before you try to spin it to say you were talking about signing bonus or future money note that makes no sense as you implied you could see Goodell doing this for 2023 and his deal says he never loses his signing bonus or future money.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

No, he does not.

But the wow just wow is you and others thought the Browns made his first year base low so he would not lose much if suspended and this is factually incorrect.....and, of course, you cannot own you made this error.

That clause protects the signing bonus ( which is about 9 million for 2022) and leaves only 1 million that can be taken away from Watson if suspended in 2022 and 1 million is likely as little as is possible per CBA.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

This would be the one I just referred to. You are referring to his 2022 base pay of just over a million and I keep trying to tell you the browns do this with many players who sign new deals (Garrett has the same 2022 base).

Before you try to spin it to say you were talking about signing bonus or future money note that makes no sense as you implied you could see Goodell doing this for 2023 and his deal says he never loses his signing bonus or future money.

Good god man you are thick as a brick. His base salary in 2023 is 46 million, thus it would cost Watson way more if suspended in 2023, the suspension is expected to happen in 2022 and that clause protects 90% of what Watson will earn in 2022. How do you not get this?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I've been pretty consistent throughout here.

Sorry some how confused you with comedygold88

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It is...though owning you were way off base and also moved the goal posts not something you can ever own up to. Not surprised as that's not something irrational people can do.

Did you correct my English earlier?

WTF are you trying to say here? Not even going to address your punctuation issues.

Got to love this forum.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

You have....Been some areas we don't agree (really, just one) but cannot say I've seen your opinions change on this topic.

Not like you tried to claim a QB didn't do much as a rookie because of all the talent he had.....then moved the goal posts to rip his team for not having enough talent. THAT was a headscratcher.

Could you get any more lost in the woods?

I was the one who stated, due to all the assembled picks on both sides of the ball it greatly attributed to the success of a team that just went 0-16. Do I need to post the list of players drafted in those years again? I can use crayons and slow down my typing so you can follow along. Pretty tough to go 0-16 every year with that much draft capital. Even for a dysfunctional FO.

Once again I want to remind you goal posts are heavier than they look so please get help when you try to move them instead of simply owning you made a foolish comment about all the high picks Baker had at his disposal in 2018 when he helped turn an 0-16 team to a 7 win team. Other years as well, as not many 1st rounders on offense for him.

Just an FYI on your latest ramble.....I doubt any Browns' fans disagree previous Browns' regimes have been beyond dumb.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

So it begins. Garrett not even at OTAs and being asked about the BM/Watson fiascos.

Not sure I'd call this having his buddies back? Sounds quite vanilla.

Waiting for the spin master in 3,2,1

Browns' Garrett: Mayfield will 'land on his feet'

Cleveland Browns All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett said Wednesday that former Browns starting quarterback Baker Mayfield is going to "land on his feet" in the wake of Cleveland's trade for new quarterback Deshaun Watson.

www.espn.com

 

[dtgold88]

That clause protects the signing bonus ( which is about 9 million for 2022) and leaves only 1 million that can be taken away from Watson if suspended in 2022 and 1 million is likely as little as is possible per CBA.

Yes, and as I keep trying to tell you it's the same amount the Browns will be paying Garrett in 2022 and close to what Ward will get in his first year of his new deal. Ward and Garrett are not in danger of suspension so it's almost like this is a regular practice and not something done to help out Watson skirt a suspension.

OK, not almost...it is like that.

 

[dtgold88]

Good god man you are thick as a brick. His base salary in 2023 is 46 million, thus it would cost Watson way more if suspended in 2023, the suspension is expected to happen in 2022 and that clause protects 90% of what Watson will earn in 2022. How do you not get this?

Oh, the irony.....I get this 100%. What I don't get is why you think this is something the Browns did to help out Watson if he's suspended - by lowering his base in 2022...since, you know, they gave Garrett the same amount in 2022 for his new deal.

Curious, if you manned up and admitted you were wrong what happens?

 

[dtgold88]

Did you correct my English earlier?

WTF are you trying to say here? Not even going to address your punctuation issues.

Got to love this forum.

Yes, I did (maybe). As I did for you by correcting your mistake, feel free to point out what I did wrong.

To be fair, I was just asking for you. If you truly meant you could care less that's fine.

 

[dtgold88]

Could you get any more lost in the woods?

I was the one who stated, due to all the assembled picks on both sides of the ball it greatly attributed to the success of a team that just went 0-16. Do I need to post the list of players drafted in those years again? I can use crayons and slow down my typing so you can follow along. Pretty tough to go 0-16 every year with that much draft capital. Even for a dysfunctional FO.

You were the one who tried to downplay what Baker did as a rookie by implying he had a bunch of early picks to help him out. You failed...got called out on your failure....wont own your failure. Then moved the goal posts to mask your failure

Nothing new to see with you.

 

[dtgold88]

So it begins. Garrett not even at OTAs and being asked about the BM/Watson fiascos.

Not sure I'd call this having his buddies back? Sounds quite vanilla.

Waiting for the spin master in 3,2,1

Browns' Garrett: Mayfield will 'land on his feet'

Cleveland Browns All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett said Wednesday that former Browns starting quarterback Baker Mayfield is going to "land on his feet" in the wake of Cleveland's trade for new quarterback Deshaun Watson.

www.espn.com

Hey, sorry it took longer than you expected to reply. Not even sure what you think needs spinning here. Oh, no...he was asked a question about Baker (and Watson).

does this mean it's time for you to spin, dance, deflect, move goal posts, etc as seems to be the case whenever you talk about these players?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Oh, the irony.....I get this 100%. What I don't get is why you think this is something the Browns did to help out Watson if he's suspended - by lowering his base in 2022...since, you know, they gave Garrett the same amount in 2022 for his new deal.

Curious, if you manned up and admitted you were wrong what happens?

Oh the irony indeed.

Be interesting if Watson gets a suspension but it served in 2023. Seeing how he had his contract structured to minimize financial damage if he is suspended in 2022, I could see Goodell doing that (2023 suspension)

The contract protects 90% of his 2022 earnings to minimize financial damage to Watson. It was ONLY YOU who started talking about the amount of his base salary in 2022.

 

[dtgold88]

Oh the irony indeed.

The contract protects 90% of his 2022 earnings to minimize financial damage to Watson. It was ONLY YOU who started talking about the amount of his base salary in 2022.

Nice try

Here is your comment one more time......."Seeing how he had his contract structured to minimize financial damage if he is suspended in 2022, I could see Goodell doing that (2023 suspension)."


You already correctly pointed out his signing bonus and other income will never be affected, so waiting to suspend wont hurt in that regard. You thought (like others did....including me at first) that he was to be paid only about a mil in 2022 in case of suspension. for some reason, you just cannot accept the fact this is not true and the low amount he is set to receive in 2022 as his base salary has nothing to do with a suspension. Or you do accept this and are moving the goal posts to avoid just admitting you were wrong.

Seriously, what happens if you just said you were wrong about this? Hell, I was, as I originally believed what you did until some facts came out that proved that was false.

 

[dtgold88]

Oh the irony indeed.

The contract protects 90% of his 2022 earnings to minimize financial damage to Watson. It was ONLY YOU who started talking about the amount of his base salary in 2022.

Players lose base salary when suspended by the league.

The part of this you cannot get by is why do you suggest it hurts Watson to wait until 2023 to suspend him. what does he lose a ton of in 2023 that he would not in 2022. I can give you a hint....rhymes with case malary.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Nice try

Here is your comment one more time......."Seeing how he had his contract structured to minimize financial damage if he is suspended in 2022, I could see Goodell doing that (2023 suspension)."


You already correctly pointed out his signing bonus and other income will never be affected, so waiting to suspend wont hurt in that regard. You thought (like others did....including me at first) that he was to be paid only about a mil in 2022 in case of suspension. for some reason, you just cannot accept the fact this is not true and the low amount he is set to receive in 2022 as his base salary has nothing to do with a suspension. Or you do accept this and are moving the goal posts to avoid just admitting you were wrong.

Seriously, what happens if you just said you were wrong about this? Hell, I was, as I originally believed what you did until some facts came out that proved that was false.

I quoted my post and nowhere did I mention base salary.

You thought

No I didn't. You thought I thought, but your bad at reading minds and you jumped to conclusions and have problems with comprehension. I wonder if you were waiting for someone to mention his base salary because you had a ready made defense already? No one did....except YOU! You were so eager to spring your rebuttal about his base pay that you didn't even wait for someone to mention it before jump in with a rebuttal for a point no one made. The point I was making is the Browns colluded with Watson to protect his earning from a suspension and they DID! I am for the league penalizing the Browns for trying to under mine the leagues power to punish players under the guidelines of the CBA. I would not mind seeing them lose their top pick in 2023 for doing so, in addition to a hefty fine and suspend Watson for the 2023 season, the entire 2023 season.

 

[dtgold88]

I quoted my post and nowhere did I mention base salary.


No I didn't. You thought I thought, but your bad at reading minds and you jumped to conclusions and have problems with comprehension. I wonder if you were waiting for someone to mention his base salary because you had a ready made defense already? No one did....except YOU! You were so eager to spring your rebuttal about his base pay that you didn't even wait for someone to mention it before jump in with a rebuttal for a point no one made. The point I was making is the Browns colluded with Watson to protect his earning from a suspension and they DID! I am for the league penalizing the Browns for trying to under mine the leagues power to punish players under the guidelines of the CBA. I would not mind seeing them lose their top pick in 2023 for doing so, in addition to a hefty fine and suspend Watson for the 2023 season, the entire 2023 season.

The part of this you cannot get by is why do you suggest it hurts Watson to wait until 2023 to suspend him which you thought could happen? What does he lose a ton of in 2023 that he would not in 2022. I can give you a hint....rhymes with case malary?

Is there a reason you will not answer those questions....other than irrational people don't like direct questions?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This is fun

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The part of this you cannot get by is why do you suggest it hurts Watson to wait until 2023 to suspend him which you thought could happen? What does he lose a ton of in 2023 that he would not in 2022. I can give you a hint....rhymes with case malary?

Is there a reason you will not answer those questions....other than irrational people don't like direct questions?

The Brown colluded with Watson to aid him in avoiding a financial hit and I don't give a shit if you admit it or not. The clause in Watson contract is all I need to prove it. Stick your questions where the sun doesn't shine because they are nothing but deflection, some thing you excel in.