Hey, if you want 10 decent starts a year from him, and 22 starts a year either compromised or unavailable, and the team is willing to pay $2.5 mill each for those starts, then why not? Unless, the money could be spent better elsewhere.
If they re-sign him he will have a full spring training instead of Boras fucking him (and us) over, see no reason why he can't pitch a full year next year.
Another aspect I failed to mention in my earlier post…
Except that he hasn’t ever done that. Even last year, when he won the CY, that was almost entirely based on his 2nd half performance.
Yall crack me up. Dude's a freaking top level ace, literal reigning Cy...oh jeez should we risk it? If you don't see this to be a guy to grab, I just don't understand what you're watching
32 years old man. I don’t care how “in the zone” he is now, anything past 3 years will include dead years. Maybe his first year or two will cover the contract, but just know that whatever you pay him, it is really only for 1 MAYBE 2 years at near elite or better, than you are just hoping for 1 MAYBE 2 years at nit stinking up the joint.
Just don't see how this team competes without taking some shots and this is the kind of established talent to take a shot with. Lean in to what got you titles
THIS team doesn’t. It is just spit and bubblegum. Putting a nitrous tank in a Yugo isn’t going to make that Yugo into a great street racer. It’s just going to cost the owner of the car more money.
I see more here but it's all good
Interesting. Doesn't sound like a guy who won two CY awards...
Good post and I agree with almost all of it. Especially the trepidation of the Chapman signing. I thought he was a declining K machine with a great glove. He's more than that and I'm glad we have him. As far as LWJ, he was having an All Star season before he got hurt. I think he's a bit better than "place holder," I think he's a legit starting 1b.
But he is ALWAYS hurt. A serious contending team does not start the season with LWJ as their 1B and consider that spot “filled”.
Well, not all of us were calling for Ramos to be jettisoned. Some were opining his lack of chances and hoped that he would be allowed to go elsewhere, just so he had a chance to make it. I still don't think FZ was sitting on him, being patient and waiting for him to mature. I think he knew the guy has talent and kept him around long enough for him to be too long in the tooth to get flak for letting him go. He just happened to need an outfielder this year when plan A outfield went to pot and Ramos seized it. FZ should only get a pat on the back for holding on to him and not immediately go to the waiver wire to fill in for Lee.
Yeah, he's good now and was good last year but have you seen his career? He goes from Ace level to 4th/5th starter. Maybe he has finally figured it out, how to maintain more ace level consistency from year to year but it seems way too early to determine that to be the case and, as cal mentioned, he is a bit old for a pitcher. With that said, I have to acknowledge that some pitchers do come into their prime in their early to mid 30s. By far that is the exception, though.
As with many of my theories, this makes complete sense, though with a LOT of speculation.
cal, I may be very wrong on my read, but it does seem like you still operate from the 80s/90s model of excellent offensive 1st basemen exist throughout MLB and the Giants could easily do better than the injury prone, high OBP guys that they start there. If you look at some contending teams, 1st base is more of a black hole in the lineup or a place where guys just rotate through. Even if the player has problems staying healthy, if he can hit when he is healthy, he needs to be the starter.That's fair. He's not a model of availability, like BB9
Isn't that the nature of fandom, speculating? I think some fans, though, assume that their speculation is gospel truth. I will recognize that mine is an ignorant take, but fits with what I've inferred from previous moves and actions made by the FO. I know that I could well be wrong.
