POLL If Mahomes and the Chiefs 3-peat will Mahomes be the GOAT QB?

[Black Adam]

Damn, how do I vote and NOT show bias...?

 

[Black Adam]

As a Raider fan, I hate to say this but IMO it's yes.

He will have accomplished something Brady never did with a 3-peat. And at just 29 (bday is in September) he will have time to get even more.

I know. Same day as mine(17th)...

All connected...

 

[Think McFly Think]

I said maybe, lol @ 2 votes for I hate football.

 

[Southieinnc]

I said maybe, lol @ 2 votes for I hate football.

Those 2 voters should try the political forum - if they are not already there......

 

[black francis]

no

 

[DJ Fieri]

I said maybe, lol @ 2 votes for I hate football.

Yep.

 

[Clayton]

If we're talking legacy, its easier to line up where Andy Reid and Travis Kelce are just due to where they are in their career.

 

[Xeliou66]

If we're talking legacy, its easier to line up where Andy Reid and Travis Kelce are just due to where they are in their career.

I think Kelce is already the greatest TE in NFL history - he’s had seven 1,000 yard seasons, most of any TE in history, plus his playoff success, and he’s not finished yet. He gets my vote as the best TE ever.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I think Kelce is already the greatest TE in NFL history - he’s had seven 1,000 yard seasons, most of any TE in history, plus his playoff success, and he’s not finished yet. He gets my vote as the best TE ever.

A lot of people forget about Tony Gonzalez.

Kelce might get there but right now Gonzalez has better numbers.

 

[Xeliou66]

A lot of people forget about Tony Gonzalez.

Kelce might get there but right now Gonzalez has better numbers.

Tony Gonzalez was awesome, I loved him when he was with the Falcons, but Kelce is better IMO. Kelce has already had more 1,000 yard seasons than Gonzalez did, and way more postseason success. Gonzalez played for a very long time, 17 seasons, while Kelce has been in the NFL for 11, played in 10 as he was injured his rookie year, Kelce is on pace to top Gonzalez’ numbers but he already gets my vote as best TE ever, he’s just more dominant than I’ve ever seen any other TE be.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Tony Gonzalez was awesome, I loved him when he was with the Falcons, but Kelce is better IMO. Kelce has already had more 1,000 yard seasons than Gonzalez did, and way more postseason success. Gonzalez played for a very long time, 17 seasons, while Kelce has been in the NFL for 11, played in 10 as he was injured his rookie year, Kelce is on pace to top Gonzalez’ numbers but he already gets my vote as best TE ever, he’s just more dominant than I’ve ever seen any other TE be.

And as he gets older....Kelce will be more susceptible to injury....

We shall see.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

I said maybe, lol @ 2 votes for I hate football.

Those 2 voters should try the political forum - if they are not already there......

LOL, I'd like to think it's a couple of guys in here clicking that option just for shits & grins. I mean, why otherwise would anyone hang in a football forum if they hate football?

 

[eaglesnut]

LOL, I'd like to think it's a couple of guys in here clicking that option just for shits & grins. I mean, why otherwise would anyone hang in a football forum if they hate football?

Maybe they used to love football, but then the NFL went gay.

 

[wilwhite]

We don't have to sweat eras too much because they had five overlapping seasons as starters (bearing in mind that Brady was old and Mahomes young):

Brady, 2018-2022
55-27, 23,055 passing yds, 161 TDs, 52 INTs, 65.5% completion rate, 155 rush yds, 11 rush TDs
Playoffs: 8-3, 3,174 passing yds, 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 61.3% completion rate, -7 rush yds, 1 rush TD
2 rings

Mahomes, 2018-2022
63-16, 23,957 passing yds, 192 TDs, 48 INTs, 66.4% completion rate, 1,537 rush yds, 12 rush TDs
Playoffs: 11-3, 4,084 yds, 35 TDs, 7 INTs, 67.3% completion rate, 383 rush yds, 5 rush TDs
2 rings

Record
Regular season: Mahomes, 3-1
Playoffs: Brady, 2-0

So Mahomes is clearly better statistically, but Brady knocked him out of the playoffs both times they met, one in SB LV. That's something Mahomes can never get back even if he wins eight rings.

But if Mahomes wins another ring or two, it's those two in the conversation and nobody else.

 

[PolarVortex]

Self explanatory.

Vote and discuss.

HOF speaking?
Montana is the GOAT of the Dominator's wing. Brady is the GOAT of the Compiler's wing.
Mahomes is already higher on the Dominator wing than Brady. But he isn't as high as Montana yet. He probably will not get as high as Brady on the Compiler wing.
What would you rather be known for? Dominator or compiler? That's what it boils down to.

 

[DJ Fieri]

We don't have to sweat eras too much because they had five overlapping seasons as starters (bearing in mind that Brady was old and Mahomes young):

Brady, 2018-2022
55-27, 23,055 passing yds, 161 TDs, 52 INTs, 65.5% completion rate, 155 rush yds, 11 rush TDs
Playoffs: 8-3, 3,174 passing yds, 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 61.3% completion rate, -7 rush yds, 1 rush TD
2 rings

Mahomes, 2018-2022
63-16, 23,957 passing yds, 192 TDs, 48 INTs, 66.4% completion rate, 1,537 rush yds, 12 rush TDs
Playoffs: 11-3, 4,084 yds, 35 TDs, 7 INTs, 67.3% completion rate, 383 rush yds, 5 rush TDs
2 rings

Record
Regular season: Mahomes, 3-1
Playoffs: Brady, 2-0

So Mahomes is clearly better statistically, but Brady knocked him out of the playoffs both times they met, one in SB LV. That's something Mahomes can never get back even if he wins eight rings.

But if Mahomes wins another ring or two, it's those two in the conversation and nobody else.

Great post.

Always enjoy seeing you in the sports part of the site and not just the PF....rarely venture in there anymore. LOL.

 

[Clayton]

So Mahomes is clearly better statistically, but Brady knocked him out of the playoffs both times they met, one in SB LV. That's something Mahomes can never get back even if he wins eight rings.

Eli Manning knocked Brady out of the Super Bowl a couple of times. Best I can tell, a top QB gets you to the AFCCG or NFCCG but you kinda need an OL and a defense to win the Super Bowl generally.

Gronk in general was totally free against the Chiefs defense in multiple games. I mean no disrespect to Brady but a lot of QBs would have knocked Mahomes out in those games.

To me, its the longevity of Brady. He carried some pretty okay teams really far and when he had stacked teams he did what he was supposed to do. I don't know if Mahomes' game translates in the same way where he'll still be elite 12 years from now. Mahomes wins SBs by extending a couple of key plays every game. At the same time, Mahomes has spent half his career with a middle of the pack defense, a year with a good defense, and almost half his career with a trash defense. He is set up for success for a good number of years.

 

[eaglesnut]

Brady knocked him out of the playoffs both times they met, one in SB LV. That's something Mahomes can never get back even if he wins eight rings.

Boom.

Brady never got for to play for Andy Reid either. What if all of his overlapping years were with Arians?

Good stuff.

 

[msgkings322]

I think he's the GOAT already, in the sense of what human being played the position best in the history of the game. Brady has the better career of course, and statistically may always have that due to rings. But in terms of which person would you select to create the best possible football team you could, for the QB position it's Mahomes and it's really not close. He does everything any of the greats did and does more than them too.

Football is the most team sport of all, and rings are team accomplishments. Dan Marino proves that, as does Eli Manning. Mahomes is GOAT.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I think he's the GOAT already, in the sense of what human being played the position best in the history of the game. Brady has the better career of course, and statistically may always have that due to rings. But in terms of which person would you select to create the best possible football team you could, for the QB position it's Mahomes and it's really not close. He does everything any of the greats did and does more than them too.

Football is the most team sport of all, and rings are team accomplishments. Dan Marino proves that, as does Eli Manning. Mahomes is GOAT.

Good post. When I’m invited into your criteria, I have to agree. However, if I think about this criteria and I apply it to other times, when Montana was GOAT I answer Marino to this question. When the GOAT was Brady I might have picked Manning with your criteria.

That’s why for me it’s about your track record and the resume you post when you’re done. Just my opinion. How you make these decisions is almost as fun a debate as the debate about the players.