if ecr/adp were depth charts (rb)

[HaroldSeattle]

And he certainly had Akers and Henderson on the bench to end the year in LA

Actually once Akers was able to get on the field he out carried Michel 67 to 26 during the playoffs and both looked very bad IMO Akers 2.6 and Michel 3.1 per carry

 

[TREFF]

I know the year the Bengals bottomed out it was horrid. Last year...debatable? All I know is that seeing Mixon up there gives me fantasy PTSD.

Can Chris Evans or Perine challenge him in any way? Mixon seems like the clear #1 there

I would truly be shocked if anyone actually challenges him, especially out of those two. Evans has some nice pop to his game, Perine is nothing but a decent body that can allow a little breather from time to time. Mixon has a little bit of that 'it" factor to his game, IMHO. I'd say he's every bit as safe as any other hands down lead back/workhorse

 

[TREFF]

Actually once Akers was able to get on the field he out carried Michel 67 to 26 during the playoffs and both looked very bad IMO Akers 2.6 and Michel 3.1 per carry

during the playoffs yes,. they all looked terrible. Michel had a 5 game stretch with 3 very impressive games and a 108 for 497 (4.6 clip)..then SF shut him down in the final game( including that SF game, a 6 game stretch where he was at 4.1 per carry). Edmonds has never had a stretch of anything even remotely similar and that's with RPO king Kyler Murray who breathed life into waste of space Kenyon Drake

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Just peeked at FF stats for 2021 and on a per game bases Edmonds out scored Michel on all scoring systems, with full PPR being the most favorable to Edmonds (12.16 to 8.6)

 

[averagejoe]

What I'm saying is that shortly after the year begins, or maybe even before, during camp/preseason, those chances are spent, and whomever is playing the best, providing the most production is going to be accumulating fantasy points, not the guy with the largest contract. Every. Single. Time with the rarest of exceptions.

I get what youre throwing down bro.
Thats why i mildly disagreed originally.
Just to clarify my point, some coaching staffs are more stubborn than others. In other words, they will stick with a guy even tho everyone else sees he is not the answer. You cannot predict when the coaching staff will cave on that player.

You hate Gus and yet he is used by that staff because they love him.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

forgetting a major piece to this dolphin RB discussions - Mike McDaniel is the coach, a descendent of the Satanahan RB philosophy.

There's some guy sweeping floors at a middle school in miami somewhere right now that is going to get signed and rush for 1200yds and 8TDs, and he's not on anyone's radar or roster

 

[TREFF]

Just peeked at FF stats for 2021 and on a per game bases Edmonds out scored Michel on all scoring systems, with full PPR being the most favorable to Edmonds (12.16 to 8.6)

Well come on now, fight fairly..
Edmonds was either 'the starter' or the 1B the entire season, all 12 of his games
Michel only had 7 while they were playing around with Henderson..so Michel has 7 games of 10 or less touches pulling his average down- Chase only 2, the one he got hurt in, and the one he returned.

Curious to see what Michels average ppg would be in his 7 starts vs Chase in his 10, discounting those aforementioned 2

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Well come on now, fight fairly..
Edmonds was either 'the starter' or the 1B the entire season, all 12 of his games
Michel only had 7 while they were playing around with Henderson..so Michel has 7 games of 10 or less touches pulling his average down- Chase only 2, the one he got hurt in, and the one he returned.

Curious to see what Michels average ppg would be in his 7 starts vs Chase in his 10, discounting those aforementioned 2

Michel avg stats in his 7 starts:
21.3 att, 86.7 yds / 3.4 targets, 1.9 rec, 11.1 yds / 0.4 TDs (zero rec TDs, 3 rushing TDs)

Chase avg stats in his 9 starts (removed game started against SF where he had 1 att for 3 yds and got hurt):
10.9 att, 53.6 yds / 5.2 targets, 4.3 rec, 31.1 yds / 0.2 TDs (zero rec TDs, 2 rushing TDs)

such different roles, hard to compare, but seeing as the NFL is a passing league, give me Chase over Michel if neither are scoring TDs

 

[TREFF]

Michel avg stats in his 7 starts:
21.3 att, 86.7 yds / 3.4 targets, 1.9 rec, 11.1 yds / 0.4 TDs (zero rec TDs, 3 rushing TDs)

Chase avg stats in his 9 starts (removed game started against SF where he had 1 att for 3 yds and got hurt):
10.9 att, 53.6 yds / 5.2 targets, 4.3 rec, 31.1 yds / 0.2 TDs (zero rec TDs, 2 rushing TDs)

such different roles, hard to compare, but seeing as the NFL is a passing league, give me Chase over Michel if neither are scoring TDs

But they'll be on the same team this year, no longer will the scat back be getting 10+ carries a game, unless he gains the #1 job outright..hell just be a scat back if not, losing the floor and being dependant on unpredictable passing stats- extremely unpredictable given the emergence of Waddle and the addition of Reek, with Tua being the trigger man vs Murray.

I'll take the guy I think will win the early down role, 15+ carries, plus a few catches, and the goaline work (he never had any issues finding the end zone in NE, more scores in his first two seasons than Edmonds his entire career), over hoping for more than 5 catches and maybe 5 carries any given week- once he proves to his new coaches that hes not worth his contract. Week 3, if not sooner.

 

[TREFF]

Michel avg stats in his 7 starts:
21.3 att, 86.7 yds / 3.4 targets, 1.9 rec, 11.1 yds / 0.4 TDs (zero rec TDs, 3 rushing TDs)

Chase avg stats in his 9 starts (removed game started against SF where he had 1 att for 3 yds and got hurt):
10.9 att, 53.6 yds / 5.2 targets, 4.3 rec, 31.1 yds / 0.2 TDs (zero rec TDs, 2 rushing TDs)

such different roles, hard to compare, but seeing as the NFL is a passing league, give me Chase over Michel if neither are scoring TDs

And math in my head using your per game averages...thank you for the leg work too btw
Edmonds 5.4+3.1+4.3+1.2(.2 Td pergame)=13.9 ppr
Michel 8.6+1.9+1.1+2.4 (.4 TDPG)= 14 ppr

 

[SmokingMonkey]

And math in my head using your per game averages...thank you for the leg work too btw
Edmonds 5.4+3.1+4.3+1.2(.2 Td pergame)=13.9 ppr
Michel 8.6+1.9+1.1+2.4 (.4 TDPG)= 14 ppr

So at the end of the day...

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I'll have the same number of RBs from Miami, Houston, Buffalo, and New Orleans on my redraft teams this year, zero

 

[TREFF]

So at the end of the day...

Meh..not really now that they're on the same team..either one takes a big chunk of work from the other, or they water each other down and neither is worth shit.
They certainly can't both be getting starters touches and averaging 14 ppg, so they will be different

 

[leftypower]

forgetting a major piece to this dolphin RB discussions - Mike McDaniel is the coach, a descendent of the Satanahan RB philosophy.

There's some guy sweeping floors at a middle school in miami somewhere right now that is going to get signed and rush for 1200yds and 8TDs, and he's not on anyone's radar or roster

Monkey that could easily be the correct answer. .....................

 

[TREFF]

There have been many disciples of the Shanny/Gibbs system, only Shanny, Kubiak and Shanny Jr. have ever really made it work that well.