If Cubs win WS...

[YourFriendGannon]

When has Bartman ever sought to be in the limelight? He has this twisted celebrity where people ask about him attending playoff games or throwing out a first pitch when he has not tried to bring attention to himself.

It pains me because there are Chicago fans who intentionally have done awful things, like the father & son who attacked Tom Gamboa. We shy away from giving those rotten lowlives time on broadcasting cameras and space in our memories and devote it to unremarkable folks who don't want it instead.

 

[Kevin12773]

Fuck it. Go Cubs.

Tough loss today... Drink up Romeo

 

[ElTexan]

Alou was in the air with his glove/arm over his head going across his body....given all that, it's certainly not a guarantee that a guy who was a notably below average defensive player catches that, especially since it's very possible that his glove would've hit the top of the wall/railing which doesn't guarantee control of the ball.

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Wow. you've been shows pic and SLO-MO video evidence that clearly shows what happened, and you're still arguing?!?!? Wow. You are disingenuous trash.

 

[romeo212000]

Tough loss today... Drink up Romeo

I'm drinking, but I'm honestly not that upset. I don't know how many "experts" picked Texas to finish dead last and they won the al west. They've got some impressive prospects and they'll only get better. We'll be fine.

 

[navamind]

You are missing the point. Moises Alou had an actual role in victories. He had tons of jobs to do. Should he have reacted differently? Sure. But how do I know that his reaction offset the 22 HRs he hit that year? Considering we didn't clinch until the day before the season ended, it's entirely likely that we don't make the playoffs without him. The same situation is true for Alex Gonzalez, who made an arguably worse mistake than Bartman when he botched the inning-ending double play.

Bartman had literally one job, which was not get in the way of Cubs players. And he failed miserably. Hundreds of thousands of Cubs fans who have invested millions of hours hoping for a championship have died without seeing one because of one man's split-second decision.

Does it make him the devil? No. Was it a really fucking bad mistake? Absolutely. And if you know Chicagoans who have died and know what a Cubs title would have meant to them, I don't understand how anyone could think that his decision was defensible. I'd say the same thing for the other people who reached for the ball or really anyone which jeopardized the happiness of millions for their own, split-second happiness.

Holy christ dude.

 

[Kevin12773]

I'm drinking, but I'm honestly not that upset. I don't know how many "experts" picked Texas to finish dead last and they won the al west. They've got some impressive prospects and they'll only get better. We'll be fine.

Cubs winning was what I needed to pick me up from that shit show on Saturday in Dallas

 

[tducey]

Poor Steve Bartman, yeah he might have affected that play but the Cubs had other chances that series to win the series, it's easy to blame losing on 1 thing going wrong when in actual fact other factors caused the loss.

 

[4down20]

I feel sorry for the people who blame that kid.

 

[redseat]

If I ever value my own fleeting happiness over the hopes and dreams of millions of people, then I deserve what I get. I certainly hope I wouldn't do that, but if I did, that's a choice that I would have to deal with.

It's not like the Cubs didn't have a chance to win the game after that play. Same thing when it comes to Buckner

 

[Carnzo]

Go Cubs!

 

[StanMarsh51]

If I ever value my own fleeting happiness over the hopes and dreams of millions of people, then I deserve what I get. I certainly hope I wouldn't do that, but if I did, that's a choice that I would have to deal with.

That's pretty sad, if not pathetic that fans think someone's life deserves to potentially be ruined because of a play.

 

[CowboyB]

Give me a game 7 or give me death.

I just made the whole board wish for this to end tonight.

 

[navamind]

Wow, I completely forgot about this stupidity. Bartman would have been rendered completely moot if Alex Gonzalez doesn't bobble an easy double play ball.

 

[navamind]

Also, I love how there were two shortstops in the league at the same time named Alex Gonzalez that were very similar players. Low OBP, decent pop, and pretty good gloves.

Alex Gonzalez Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com

Alex Gonzalez Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Also, I love how there were two shortstops in the league at the same time named Alex Gonzalez that were very similar players. Low OBP, decent pop, good fielding shortstops.

Alex Gonzalez Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com

Alex Gonzalez Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com

*also both Mexican.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Wow, I completely forgot about this stupidity. Bartman would have been rendered completely moot if Alex Gonzalez doesn't bobble an easy double play ball.

Yea, while reading the current WS thread I saw a mention of Bartman which gave me a flashback to this doozy of a thread, which needed revisiting.

 

[OregonDucks]

Cubs offered Bartman tickets last year to the playoffs and he refused. Or so I think that is how the story goes.

 

[navamind]

Cubs offered Bartman tickets last year to the playoffs and he refused. Or so I think that is how the story goes.

I don't blame him. He should be left alone.

 

[Cedrique]

You are missing the point. Moises Alou had an actual role in victories. He had tons of jobs to do. Should he have reacted differently? Sure. But how do I know that his reaction offset the 22 HRs he hit that year? Considering we didn't clinch until the day before the season ended, it's entirely likely that we don't make the playoffs without him. The same situation is true for Alex Gonzalez, who made an arguably worse mistake than Bartman when he botched the inning-ending double play.

Bartman had literally one job, which was not get in the way of Cubs players. And he failed miserably. Hundreds of thousands of Cubs fans who have invested millions of hours hoping for a championship have died without seeing one because of one man's split-second decision.

Does it make him the devil? No. Was it a really fucking bad mistake? Absolutely. And if you know Chicagoans who have died and know what a Cubs title would have meant to them, I don't understand how anyone could think that his decision was defensible. I'd say the same thing for the other people who reached for the ball or really anyone which jeopardized the happiness of millions for their own, split-second happiness.

Could you be any more freaking melodramatic? The Bartman incident was obviously a test from God to see if the Cubs fans deserved to have the curse lifted. They failed miserably.

 

[BrokenToy]

Michael Lee wrote in his High School Yearbook in 1993 that the Cubs would win in 2016. I made a cool shirt to commemorate the win and the prediction. 10% of proceeds go to Wounded Warrior Project too!

Genuine Michael Lee Cubs World Champs

Check it out!