I wish we could draft Kony Ealy but he wont be there

[jarntt]

he was on everybody's draft board except JJ's

I guess I'd have to say that part isn't on Jerry. I doubt Jerry decides who is on or not on the draft board. I think he steps in when it's deciding who of the guys listed they should take or how we can outsmart everyone...

 

[scotsman1948]

I guess I'd have to say that part isn't on Jerry. I doubt Jerry decides who is on or not on the draft board. I think he steps in when it's deciding who of the guys listed they should take or how we can outsmart everyone...

you may be right but how does a talent like him not be on the Cowboys board but is on everyone else's board. someone with the power to exclude made the decision

 

[Manster7588]

you may be right but how does a talent like him not be on the Cowboys board but is on everyone else's board. someone with the power to exclude made the decision

Word was he didn't fit Callahan style. If this is the truth I'd have to say Callahan had him off the board. I'm not going to sit here and say who was wrong but if the OL coach feels a player doesn't fit his style he should be off his board.

 

[jarntt]

Word was he didn't fit Callahan style. If this is the truth I'd have to say Callahan had him off the board. I'm not going to sit here and say who was wrong but if the OL coach feels a player doesn't fit his style he should be off his board.

That's where I disagree. You take guys earlier or later because of how they fit your system no doubt, but talent is talent. You can't leave a good prospect entirely off your board IMO.

 

[Manster7588]

That's where I disagree. You take guys earlier or later because of how they fit your system no doubt, but talent is talent. You can't leave a good prospect entirely off your board IMO.

I will agree with you a little here if we are talking QB, WR, RB, S and maybe CB. But the OL, DL, and LB have to be able to play the system you run. Now I am not saying Warford wouldn't be a good lineman here but I have to let coaches say no to a player they don't think will fit. There is a long history of guys bring great one place then turn around and look like they never played somewhere else. It has gone the other way too. Guy sucks for team A then he's a pro bowler for team b.

 

[jarntt]

I will agree with you a little here if we are talking QB, WR, RB, S and maybe CB. But the OL, DL, and LB have to be able to play the system you run. Now I am not saying Warford wouldn't be a good lineman here but I have to let coaches say no to a player they don't think will fit. There is a long history of guys bring great one place then turn around and look like they never played somewhere else. It has gone the other way too. Guy sucks for team A then he's a pro bowler for team b.

I think that theory holds true for all positions where a player is better or worse in certain systems. My point is you never completely take a guy off of your board because of it except for in extreme cases. The system you play is one very important part of the overall evaluation process, but it isn't the only part. Certain College DEs may be viewed as having no position in a 3-4 because they may be too small to play DE and not able to cover or do something else required of an OLB. But, the guy can likely play in nickel packages or be a blitzing specialist or maybe a run specialist. You can always find a way to use a good player. So the player may not have the value in system "A" that he does in system "B", but normally there is still at least some value.

 

[Pencil Sharpener]

I want to go Christian Jones in the second round. He is rated 46th by SN Nations top 100 list for the nfl draft.


Now after the combine everything will change at least a little.

Yet again if we take Nix we should be back in a 3-4 but what do I know..

DE Crawford
NT Nix (maybe I am thinking Tuitt? I dont know I couldnt give two fucks less about that joke of a program)
DE ?

Ware
Lee
Carter
Jones

 

[Schmoopy1000]

we are not going back to a 3-4.

Let me repeat.

We are not going back to a 3-4 defense!

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

2.Nix looks more like a NT. Maybe he is one of those big guys wit the quickness to go along with it. Nix or hageman in round one and then take donald in round 2. Donald would flourish next to nix or at end. Yes he is short but he just explodes at the snap

 

[jarntt]

Yet again if we take Nix we should be back in a 3-4 but what do I know..

If you think a team should switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 just because of a mid first round draft pick that has never stepped on a NFL field I would ask that same question...

 

[tw1st3d]

safety was as big a need as center and has been for some time now.

Me and you might disagree on alot of things ....

Those two positions being neglected ..... we never have

Meat and potatoes over diva positions all day long

 

[tw1st3d]

That's where I disagree. You take guys earlier or later because of how they fit your system no doubt, but talent is talent. You can't leave a good prospect entirely off your board IMO.

sure you can

If you have cap issues .... does he help you year one ... or year 3-4?

Did Frederick help us year one?
Did Williams?

Two starters ... in one draft ... year one ....


Where we have people that bitch ..... Thats a top notch draft for any team not named the Cowboys

 

[jarntt]

No you can't. Anyone that would let a top player pass with the last pick of the 7th round because they don't think they fit their system should have their war room privileges taken away and that is what not having on your draft board would do.

I don't understand your point with with Frederick or Williams or whether our draft was good or not. What does Frederick have to do with not having Warford on our draft board?

 

[tw1st3d]

I don't understand your point with with Frederick or Williams or whether our draft was good or not. What does Frederick have to do with not having Warford on our draft board?

Simple ... Would take him atleast 3 years to learn the zone blocking scheme ....

How many people wanted Free gone last year because it took him time to learn

Warford here ..... Draft bust

 

[jarntt]

I disagree totally that he would be a draft bust here...but I do agree he wouldn't be as good in our scheme which is why I said you adjust your board based on scheme...you just don't remove a player because of it unless he was marginal to begin with. On Free...the guy form 2012 could have been playing any scheme in the World and he would have sucked. One of his biggest problems was getting beat one on one in pass protection. That is basically the same in any scheme. I'm not sure why he got better, but he did. Let's hope he stays that way if we keep him, but his contract is still bad for a team with our cap problems. I wouldn't be surprised to see something happen with him again this year. Did we guarantee his 2014 salary, or just 2013?

 

[tw1st3d]

I disagree totally that he would be a draft bust here...but I do agree he wouldn't be as good in our scheme which is why I said you adjust your board based on scheme...you just don't remove a player because of it unless he was marginal to begin with. On Free...the guy form 2012 could have been playing any scheme in the World and he would have sucked. One of his biggest problems was getting beat one on one in pass protection. That is basically the same in any scheme. I'm not sure why he got better, but he did. Let's hope he stays that way if we keep him, but his contract is still bad for a team with our cap problems. I wouldn't be surprised to see something happen with him again this year. Did we guarantee his 2014 salary, or just 2013?

Free is here next year.

And we are just going to disagree on the other.

If I'm a coach or a owner and I pick a direction I want to go with a team I draft in that direction.

In other words if I plan to build a power run team ..... I take the scat backs off my board. Now if one has slipped 2-3 rounds ... Sure I take him ... with hopes of a change of pace back ..... but no way do I decide to take a scat back high ... just because of his talent or potential level.
ESPECIALLY if I am in cap hell ... and I'm in serious need of day one starters rather than projects

 

[jarntt]

Now if one has slipped 2-3 rounds ... Sure I take him ... with hopes of a change of pace back ..... but no way do I decide to take a scat back high ... just because of his talent or potential level. \

That actually was my point all along. You don't take a player as high as another team would if he fits their scheme better than yours, but you don't completely right them off expect for extreme cases. Similar to how a team with certain needs may pass on a player that is ranked higher than another player because of these needs. I think we would all go bezerk if the team took a TE or C in round 1 even if good value because we have some huge needs that we can only fill via the draft or dirt cheap FAs.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

And herein lies one of the fundamental problems with the Cowboys. They lack any sort of identity or direction as to what team they want to be. For a team that has had the same head coach and it has been known that he would be the head coach for several years, I'm still not entirely sure what type of team the Cowboys are supposed to be.

The way to be successful is to establish a blueprint for the organization and then draft, not necessarily the best player, but the best player for your team! It's why the Patriots can cycle guys in and out and let players walk every year. They have a guy that fits their mold waiting in the wings.

 

[tw1st3d]

And herein lies one of the fundamental problems with the Cowboys. They lack any sort of identity or direction as to what team they want to be. For a team that has had the same head coach and it has been known that he would be the head coach for several years, I'm still not entirely sure what type of team the Cowboys are supposed to be.

The way to be successful is to establish a blueprint for the organization and then draft, not necessarily the best player, but the best player for your team! It's why the Patriots can cycle guys in and out and let players walk every year. They have a guy that fits their mold waiting in the wings.

I think you just summed up what has exactly been the Cowboys problem

but to add to it .... I think what has been a lingering problem ... is drafting or signing players "with big names" to sell Jerseys

 

[Pencil Sharpener]

If you think a team should switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 just because of a mid first round draft pick that has never stepped on a NFL field I would ask that same question...

We should switch back to a 3-4 because our roster dictates we should but again what do I know????? Crawford is big enough to play DE in a 3-4, if we get a NT in the first round all we need is a OLB and another DE to fit in.

We actually have more holes in our current 4-3 than we would going back to a 3-4. But as long as Kiffin is around dont expect changes. Also pray for a top 25 defense next year.