I want Mccoy gone.....

[Wings]

Easy to be durable when you avoid contact between the tackles like the plague ... McCoy never lowers the shoulder to get those extra 2 yards, that's why he's not a good short yardage guy. If he can't juke defenders he just goes down to avoid the hits.

Yep, turf monster tackles him all tooooooo often.

 

[Rey]

Rey we could just pick up either Bilal Powell, Justin Forsett or Ahmad Bradshaw in free agency Dirt cheap...Like Really Dirt cheap! None of them make shit....2 of them less than 600K per year. We could draft a RB in rd 4.....meanwhile get another high draft pick and save 8 million in Cap room which would land us two defensive free agents.

I hear ya ... Forsett is the poster child of why you don't spend a ton on RB. Here's a guy pushing 30, on his 3rd or 4th team, only a few career TD's and he rips off a better year than Shady had. It's simply an easy position to fill or replace unless you have an Adrian Peterson ... and while Shady's a good Back, he's no Adrian Peterson.

 

[swat]

Bilal Powell, Justin Forsett & Ahmad Bradshaw are guys that may give you 1 year. Maybe.

Powell has a 3.9 career avg and will be 27 next year. If he was so good, Rexy would have played him more.
Forsett is a guy I wanted years ago to be Shadys backup BUT not now. He'll be 30 next year. You are looking at 1 year max from him.
Bradshaw will be 29 & misses a ton of games due to injuries as it is.

In the draft? Its a crap shoot even at RB. The draft is littered with 1st & 2nd round dissapointments.,,,you guys forget about Beanie Wells & Donald Brown?

Ya want to replace McCoy in 2015? You should have drafted a RB in the 2014 draft instead of trading for Sproles. They didnt. Again his cap # in 2016 is 8.8m & in 2017 is 7.8m. Nothing too crazy. Go with what we have this year & then draft his replacement in 2016 with McCoy still on the team. You then cut Sproles or Polk.

We have PLENTY of cap room to do what we need to do without trading McCoy. You guys act like we dont. Or that he isnt 2nd in the NFL in rushing over the past 2 years.

When you have star players & whether you like him or not ...McCoy is a star RB, its a good idea to replace them before you trade them.

Imagine the Offense with an injured Bradshaw, a 32 year old Sproles & Polk who hasnt proven much of anything in the NFL other than he can run it in from the 1 yard line & get hurt his fair share of the time.

Or maybe...an Offense with a 32 old Sproles, Polk who hasnt proven much of anything in the NFL other than he can run it in from the 1 yard line & get hurt his fair share of the time & a rookie that cant pass block or is a bust.

Im sure Foles would just love those scenarios.

 

[Wings]

Nope....you bring in one of Powell, Forsett, or Bradshaw and you draft one in rd 4. I would draft Marcus Murphy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8i3Kk31lpA who is a Brian Westbrook clone, with a little Sproles to his game as well. At 5'9 195 he has similar size to a young Westbrook, he explodes through the hole, no dancing with the stars, he runs with power, with good balance, and he can catch like Westbrook could. He is a much better fit for Chips offense, and he would be dirt cheap. Currently most draft publications have him as a 4-5th rd pick.

 

[Taz]

Running backs can be found just about anywhere. Heck look at what Fluelin and Josey did in the preseason and Tucker did last preseason. I am all for dealing Shady to get another pick or two in this years draft and replacing him either a free agent or rookie. I like what Polk brings to the table and I want sproles on the field more

 

[Rey]

With a 3 headed rotation and roles you simply don't need to find the next LaDanian Tomlinson. What exactly did Shady give us this past year which we can't move forward without? I mean if we can get the same "overall" production next year we had from this group we'd be fine. I think with Polk getting 8-10 carries per game, the rook getting about the same plus Sproles in his 3rd down role ... and we're good. If we had a better 2ndary ... our game today would still matter despite Shady's pedestrian 4.1 per carry and only 5 total TD's.

 

[Rey]

Another young vet free agent nobody has talked about is Roy Helu from the Skins ... I think he'd make a good #3 to pair with Polk and Sproles in a Shady trade scenario.

 

[Iron Eagle]

Another young vet free agent nobody has talked about is Roy Helu from the Skins ... I think he'd make a good #3 to pair with Polk and Sproles in a Shady trade scenario.

I am a big fan of Helu. ....wouldn't be mad about this at all.

 

[swat]

Since week 5 (when Lane Johnson came back), McCoy is 2nd in the nfl in rushing with a 4.55 avg.

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Replace Gardner, who was terrible & you help fix the red zone issues. Depending on Sproles to stay healthy next year isnt probably all that wise either.

Also, teams load up to stop McCoy. You trade him & now the QB has to do that much more...asking a lot of guys who we need to replace as it is.

Maybe Im the one thats nuts, but I still think you guys are crazy wanting to trade McCoy. I havent heard a good argument for it yet.

1. He is durable as shit. Hasnt missed a game last 2 years.
2. Can carry the rock. Leads NFL in attempts last 2 years.
3. Teams load the box to stop him which opens up pass game.
4. 2nd in nfl in rushing with very good avg. last 2 years.
5. Team player with good work ethic.

So what he will have a 11m cap hit in 2015. They will only be in 8m range in final 2 years of contract.

 

[Iggloo]

I think we can fantasize about Shady getting dealt, but he will play one more year. I hope his carries are reduced in favor of Polk though.

 

[Iron Eagle]

I don't really think it will happen... Too much hell to be raised over releasing / trading away arguably the 2 most popular players on the team in successive years.

Wings wants it done.

For me, this thread was just a hypothetical discussion.

 

[swat]

Replace Gardner.. the guy has wrecked so many running plays thi season its not funny & NOT with Herremans.

Kelce wasnt the same guy either. Peters wasnt even as good. Mathis played only half the season. L.Johnson missed 4 games & then had to play catch up.

Blame McCoy? No. The OL was a mess. There was almost nowhere to run when you combine the above with teams stacking the box because no one was scared of our QB. The guy was still 2nd in nfl in rushing since wk 5 with better avg. than Murray.

Sanchez & Foles were bad this season. Because they missed a ton of open plays. Sanchez missed so many deep guys open in the last few games it was embarrassing.

 

[PhillyGreen]

Pretty sure McCoy is not going anywhere. Get rid of the #5 rusher in the NFL.....not going to happen.

 

[Rey]

This is all hypothetical anyhoo ... but nobody's saying McCoy stinks ... he's a solid RB, it's about weather a finesse Back who can't get the tuff yards is worth the highest RB Cap # in the league? Do I think he'll be moved? No ... like swat pointed out, his cap # goes down after 2015. Would it come as a complete shock if he were to get moved? No (i.e. if the Colts offer them a 1st rd pick) ... it would make sense to me if they thought the savings could be used elsewhere and they think they can get similar production with a combo of Polk and a 3rd rd rookie. Our OL was top notch in 2013 ... so yes, they took a step back this season, but the best RB's should still be able to produce behind average OL's also.

 

[swat]

He did produce. He was 2nd in the nfl in rushing since LJ came back. With a better avg. than murray.

Come on people.

If we trade him...it better be because we need him to get Mariota. Thats it. Otherwise it wouldnt be smart in my book and Chip would deserve a straight up mutiny.

 

[ctc]

Crap? Have I not presented anything but the facts? Perhaps your just Naive to how the NFL works. Perhaps you watch to much Canadian sports and you can't comprehend how we do things here in America. It's quite funny actually, since I have posted this article, they have been speaking about this very issue on Philly sports radio, NJ.com and Philly.com and comcast sports net. Consensus is Lesean Mccoy is a Good rb who has declined steadily the last 2 years and is set to make a SHIT Ton of money yet is on the field a whole lot less. Bottom line: unless Mccoy takes a substantial pay cut in 2015 he probably will not be here.

That's right CRAP. The only fact you've 'presented' is he isn't hitting the hole. No doubt. But the 5th leading rusher in the league, off his two best years, one of which he led the NFL and you think he's declining? The previous year he had 840 and you think he's declining. You're in lala land son.

And it looks like we have our very own yobo. Can't comprehend how we do things in America? So you need to be a yank to understand how things are done? You think you're birthright gives you special knowledge? Well let's play by those rules. I was born at the Naval Hospital in Bainbridge, Md. My father was in the Navy and i'm born and bred in the good ole USA. I live in Canada because that's where the head office is located. I'm now pushing 60. So I've been doing things in the USA since before your father was spanking his monkey in your grandmom's pie. What you think know wouldn't fill a thimble son. How's Jay Cutler btw? Next you'll be pimping us Josh McCown.

And talk radio is talking about it? The medium that survives on controversy? And you think they're some kind of authority? What fucking planet are you from?

And you bozos think some third or fourth round pick is going to come in and pick up the slack? It's that easy is it? Really? There must be a boatload of these guys out there. Oh wait, looking at the stat page, i see two. Guys like McCoy are just falling out of trees they're so plentiful.

 

[ctc]

It wouldn't be just Sproles and Polk ... if Shady were traded they would likely use a 2nd or 3rd on a Back. Polk and the draft pick would likely split the work while Sproles keeps the same role he had this past year. This draft is littered with Backs that can get you around 7-800 yards and 4 combined TD's which is around all we would need out of him in a Chip system. Polk gets a step up in touches to compliment the rook ... business as usual.

Polk/Ammer Abdullah, Duke Johnson, TJ Yeldon, Mike Davis or Tevin Coleman plus Sproles.

Littered with 7-800 yd backs? Only one came out of last years draft. And the year before that? None.

So filling the rb is a higher priority than finding an ILB, CB, S or G? Really?

C'mon guys this is ridiculous.

 

[Rey]

Littered with 7-800 yd backs? Only one came out of last years draft. And the year before that? None.

So filling the rb is a higher priority than finding an ILB, CB, S or G? Really?

C'mon guys this is ridiculous.

Show me where I said RB is a higher priority than 2ndary? What I did say is that the savings from Shady combined with the draft pick we get back in trade can help be part of the solution with respect to our 2ndary problems.

As far as finding a Back that can get us 7-800 yards in this offense ... I stick to my statement. It's all about opportunity ... Jeremy Hill and Tre Mason both got enough carries and did it. CJ Anderson may as well be a rookie as he only dressed for 5 games in 2013 and got only 7 carries. LeVeon Bell did it as a rookie in 2013, McCoy himself got near that as a rook, Eddie Lacy did it as a rook, Andre Williams is there this year, Denard Robinson would have easily done it if not getting injured a few weeks ago, same with Jerrick McKinnon ... I won't go any further back to the Chris Johnson's and such as I think I've made my point. The 7-800 yards is just a #, if Polk can get you the 800 and the rook 5-600 we're golden ... and I'm pretty sure they can match those 5 TD's we got from Shady.

Again, I don't see it happening ... this is just for fun talk, but I don't really see a big drop off in our Offense if Shady weren't here. Just my opinion.

 

[swat]

but I don't really see a big drop off in our Offense if Shady weren't here. Just my opinion.

See thats where you are wrong IMO. Teams stack the box against Shady & gives our crap QBs room they wouldnt normally have and yet they still turn it over.

Imagine having just an OK RB back there.

 

[Rey]

See thats where you are wrong IMO. Teams stack the box against Shady & gives our crap QBs room they wouldnt normally have and yet they still turn it over.

Imagine having just an OK RB back there.

I think teams would try and crowd the box anyhoo as priority #1 against Chip Kelly's style of play is to stop the run.

btw, looks like what Wings and I have been saying may not be far fetched or hypothetical any longer. Check out this link ... Shady himself talks about it.
LeSean McCoy uncertain of future but willing to be flexible | Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia