I want Mccoy gone.....

[Wings]

I think many of you do not understand player/Salary importance.

2 years ago (2012 season) Lesean McCoy look like the best rb in the league. He faked people out of their jocks, could stop on a dime and break 3 guys ankles, break tackles, and out run people in route to the end zone. In 2013 Lesean Mccoy often looked out of shape, not getting up fast enough and getting reset fast enough. He clearly drew the ire of new head coach Chip Kelly on more than one occassion. On more than one occasion in 2013 it was pointed out how Mccoy was Huffin like a Clydesdale after a 15-20 yard run. His offensive line was opening Monster size holes. This year Mccoy had even more struggles, was no longer breaking peoples ankles, was no longer breaking tackles, and looked yet even one more step slower. Again, he still can't block for his QB, was constantly dancing instead of taking what the defense gave him. He was stuffed on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 and goal line situations and again drew the ire of coach Kelly. He was loosing these carries to Sproles and Polk. As season progressed he pretty much lost most if not all goal line carries and short yardage carries. Now fast forward to next year...$9.75 million in base salary, of which $1 million is fully guaranteed, a $250,000 workout bonus and $250,000 in per game active roster bonuses ($15,625 per game). If McCoy is active for all 16 games, his 2015 cap number will be $11.95 million

ONLY 1 MILLION of his contract is guaranteed, in 2014 his entire contract was fully guaranteed. His total cap Number has gone up 3 million per year. Now open your eyes people and understand that GM's don't pay players ESPECIALLY RB's that kind of money especially when they have lost their FULL TIME duties. A rb like BILAL POWELL (Who has hardly been used and is HIGHLY under Rated) or a rb like Justin Forsett or a maniac RB like Ahmad Bradshaw all make under 1.6 million....Bradshaw and Forsett make less than 600K each!!! Bradshaw avg 4.7 yds per carry, Justin Forsett 5.3 yds per carry, Powell 4.4 yds per carry on a HORRIFIC Jets team. All of these Rb's are under 30, and all of these rb's have no where near the mileage on them that Mccoy has, and they are all CHEAP! Now ask yourselves, is McCoys 4.1 yds per carry and being removed on short yardage worth being paid an additional 8 million plus per year more than any of these backs? now with that 8 million we could sign Rey Mauluga or Brandon Spikes and still sign Rahim Moore at Safety.....2 players that could HIGHLY improve our defense.

 

[Kumquat]

 

[Kumquat]

Seriously though, per your logic Wings do you think the lack of production has to do with running Kelley's fast paced offense more than anything? It seems he had great production until he was in that up tempo thing ya'll do.

 

[Wings]

Seriously though, per your logic Wings do you think the lack of production has to do with running Kelley's fast paced offense more than anything? It seems he had great production until he was in that up tempo thing ya'll do.

Kumquat my honest opinion is Shady does not work hard in the offseason. I think he is a player that has gotten by on his God given ability....now after 6 seasons and trying to go at this Chip Kelly pace Mccoy looks like a run down mere shell of his former self. An extremely highly paid, mere shell of himself.

 

[swat]

Malcom Jenkins was pretty effusive in his praise of McCoys work ethic. Fwiw.

 

[Rey]

After the Vikes release Adrian Peterson this off season ... Shady will have the highest cap figure of any RB going into the 2015 season by 2.5 million over the next highest (Arian Foster). Football is a business and true worth is all about value. With Chip liking to rotate Backs and have certain roles for his Backs ... I don't see much value in having Shady take up so much of our cap number. When you're getting paid like that you shouldn't be replaced on 3rd downs by a 31 year old Darren Sproles and you should be close to automatic on 3rd and 1's ... you should certainly be "the man" in the red zone and he isn't.

 

[Wings]

After the Vikes release Adrian Peterson this off season ... Shady will have the highest cap figure of any RB going into the 2015 season by 2.5 million over the next highest (Arian Foster). Football is a business and true worth is all about value. With Chip liking to rotate Backs and have certain roles for his Backs ... I don't see much value in having Shady take up so much of our cap number. When you're getting paid like that you shouldn't be replaced on 3rd downs by a 31 year old Darren Sproles and you should be close to automatic on 3rd and 1's ... you should certainly be "the man" in the red zone and he isn't.

Yep....Rey Gets it. It just is what it is.

 

[old duke]

All I know is that Polk should get a lot more playing time. He's a horse, and should be getting the ball near the goal line every time.

 

[ctc]

This thread is so brain dead as to be laughable.


Clearly our problem is McCoy. If we'd had a better performance out of him we'd be in the playoffs now, and getting ready for a run at the big one. We don't have enough holes to fill on the team now we have to create another one. That makes as much sense as shit on stick bbq doesn't it.


So let's forget about getting a cb in the draft or an ilb or a guard or a safety in the first two rounds to fill the existing holes. Let's get a rb.



And some bright lights suck this crap right up.

 

[Wings]

This thread is so brain dead as to be laughable.


Clearly our problem is McCoy. If we'd had a better performance out of him we'd be in the playoffs now, and getting ready for a run at the big one. We don't have enough holes to fill on the team now we have to create another one. That makes as much sense as shit on stick bbq doesn't it.


So let's forget about getting a cb in the draft or an ilb or a guard or a safety in the first two rounds to fill the existing holes. Let's get a rb.



And some bright lights suck this crap right up.

Crap? Have I not presented anything but the facts? Perhaps your just Naive to how the NFL works. Perhaps you watch to much Canadian sports and you can't comprehend how we do things here in America. It's quite funny actually, since I have posted this article, they have been speaking about this very issue on Philly sports radio, NJ.com and Philly.com and comcast sports net. Consensus is Lesean Mccoy is a Good rb who has declined steadily the last 2 years and is set to make a SHIT Ton of money yet is on the field a whole lot less. Bottom line: unless Mccoy takes a substantial pay cut in 2015 he probably will not be here.

 

[Rey]

Let's just say you trade Shady for a 2nd rounder ... that immediately frees up a ton of money we can use to bring in free agents on the defensive side of the ball or extra money to sign our own free agents. It also gives you an extra 2nd round pick ... you can either use that to replace Shady or use it for a DB which we all agree is a huge problem. Shady is a "solid" RB, but as stated before ... RB's are the easiest position on the team to fill or replace. Trading Shady would better allow us to solve the problem areas on the team ... it's not about blaming McCoy for not making the playoffs, it's about identifying that his role and production isn't worth anywhere near what his cap hit is.

 

[swat]

Ive seen plenty of high RB draft picks fail miserably, (some of whom people wanted over Mccoy) due to injuries or any number of issues. Careful what ya wish for.

If its me, I keep Mccoy until his replacement is on the team & is somewhat proven. That surely isnt the case right now. Anyone who thinks Polk/Sproles is good enough in a run based O is nuts.

McCoys cap number is 11.95m this year but it drops to 8.8m & 7.8m in 2016 & 2017. Definitely reasonable numbers.
Focusing on his 2015 number is a bit shortsighted IMO.

If its me...I go with the same trio for 2015. Then in the 2016 draft, get my replacement & also cut Sproles who probably wont be of much use by then or possibly let Polk go.

In 2017 you then evaluate the RB pos. as to whether or not let Shady go or not.

At least with the Jackson thing, we had Maclin coming back. The RB cupboard in Philly isnt good enought to just drop him & HOPE the 2nd rounder is the shit.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Ive seen plenty of high RB draft picks fail miserably, (some of whom people wanted over Mccoy) due to injuries or any number of issues. Careful what ya wish for.

If its me, I keep Mccoy until his replacement is on the team & is somewhat proven. That surely isnt the case right now. Anyone who thinks Polk/Sproles is good enough in a run based O is nuts.

McCoys cap number is 11.95m this year but it drops to 8.8m & 7.8m in 2016 & 2017. Definitely reasonable numbers.
Focusing on his 2015 number is a bit shortsighted IMO.

If its me...I go with the same trio for 2015. Then in the 2016 draft, get my replacement & also cut Sproles who probably wont be of much use by then or possibly let Polk go.

In 2017 you then evaluate the RB pos. as to whether or not let Shady go or not.

At least with the Jackson thing, we had Maclin coming back. The RB cupboard in Philly isnt good enought to just drop him & HOPE the 2nd rounder is the shit.

Well get ready to call the front office "nuts" cause them bring Sproles in last off season is setting up just exactly how Wings spelled everything out above, you have two different backs with opposite running styles behind McCoy, that is becoming the new way in the NFL....

His attitude this year alone has me asking "why not" he's still not protecting the ball, (coughed it up in couple drives this year in loses) and there is the question of him bouncing plays to the outside, I can't believe a professional team is gonna try to the outside when your on the short side of the hash, he went away from staying true to the plays or blocking schemes and that hurt them...

 

[swat]

Well get ready to call the front office "nuts" cause them bring Sproles in last off season is setting up just exactly how Wings spelled everything out above, you have two different backs with opposite running styles behind McCoy, that is becoming the new way in the NFL....

His attitude this year alone has me asking "why not" he's still not protecting the ball, (coughed it up in couple drives this year in loses) and there is the question of him bouncing plays to the outside, I can't believe a professional team is gonna try to the outside when your on the short side of the hash, he went away from staying true to the plays or blocking schemes and that hurt them...

Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We'll see what happens but yeah Id be shocked if they trade MCCoy & I think they would be pretty dumb to do it without having his replacement in hand ...FIRST.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We'll see what happens but yeah Id be shocked if they trade MCCoy & I think they would be pretty dumb to do it without having his replacement in hand ...FIRST.

Deep down i hope your right, but this front office has a knack for saving $$$

 

[swat]

There is something to be said for durability. McCoy has been very durable. The next guy might not be. We all know the guy before McCoy, while good surely wasnt durable.

Yea, you may find a good or even great RB in the 2nd round or wherever, but can he be durable enough in the NFL? Will he fumble? Can he block or catch? Again, as many times as has been said that RBs are easy to find, I can just as easily say RBs bust all the time for various reasons.

Only FIVE RBs have played all 31 games the last 2 season. FIVE.McCoy is one of them. Screw it...his cap # is high in 2015 but not huge in 2016 & 2017, so lets trade one of our top 3 players for a maybe good player in the 2nd round of the draft...? No.

If Chip does do it..he deserves a mutiny. IMO.

 

[Wings]

I wouldn't take a RB high at ALL!!! No need! Not before rd 4 anyway...There are 3 very good young RB's available who are free agents, as I pointed out in this thread. All 3 are CHEAP! Even with a huge pay raise none of them would exceed 3 mill per year.

 

[Rey]

If its me, I keep Mccoy until his replacement is on the team & is somewhat proven. That surely isnt the case right now. Anyone who thinks Polk/Sproles is good enough in a run based O is nuts.

It wouldn't be just Sproles and Polk ... if Shady were traded they would likely use a 2nd or 3rd on a Back. Polk and the draft pick would likely split the work while Sproles keeps the same role he had this past year. This draft is littered with Backs that can get you around 7-800 yards and 4 combined TD's which is around all we would need out of him in a Chip system. Polk gets a step up in touches to compliment the rook ... business as usual.

Polk/Ammer Abdullah, Duke Johnson, TJ Yeldon, Mike Davis or Tevin Coleman plus Sproles.

 

[Rey]

There is something to be said for durability. McCoy has been very durable.

Easy to be durable when you avoid contact between the tackles like the plague ... McCoy never lowers the shoulder to get those extra 2 yards, that's why he's not a good short yardage guy. If he can't juke defenders he just goes down to avoid the hits.

 

[Wings]

It wouldn't be just Sproles and Polk ... if Shady were traded they would likely use a 2nd or 3rd on a Back. Polk and the draft pick would likely split the work while Sproles keeps the same role he had this past year. This draft is littered with Backs that can get you around 7-800 yards and 4 combined TD's which is around all we would need out of him in a Chip system. Polk gets a step up in touches to compliment the rook ... business as usual.

Polk/Ammer Abdullah, Duke Johnson, TJ Yeldon, Mike Davis or Tevin Coleman plus Sproles.

Rey we could just pick up either Bilal Powell, Justin Forsett or Ahmad Bradshaw in free agency Dirt cheap...Like Really Dirt cheap! None of them make shit....2 of them less than 600K per year. We could draft a RB in rd 4.....meanwhile get another high draft pick and save 8 million in Cap room which would land us two defensive free agents.