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[iknowftbll]

Here's the thing on Lynch:

If Trevor Siemian was able to go from 3rd string in his rookie year, a year in which his only snap was a kneel down, and come into his second year and serve as a viable option at QB, and do so having beat out an 8 year vet and a first round pick as a 2nd year 7th rounder, that equates to a pretty impressive leap from his first to second year. For those who are down on Lynch, my question is if Siemian did what he did, why are people so skeptical that Lynch won't be able to? Especially in a more QB friendly offense like McCoy's where he likes the QB in the shotgun (where Lynch took most of his snaps in college).

I'm not rooting for one of these guys over the other, I'm just saying if they do an open competition between them I'd feel reasonably confident we'd be in good shape with either.

 

[Maize N Blue]

The window has officially closed!

 

[iknowftbll]

The window has officially closed!

With a defense like ours I don't think that's true. However I'm going to excuse the sentiment because your post is so otherwise...distracting.

 

[SpiritOf77]

With a defense like ours I don't think that's true. However I'm going to excuse the sentiment because your post is so otherwise...distracting.

geesh, I didn't even see the sentiment

 

[iknowftbll]

geesh, I didn't even see the sentiment

Discipline. Discipline is key!

 

[randymon]

The comment this refers to did, Siemian was bottom 3 snap to throw. Lynch was 4th fastest.

Get over it. No one ever said Siemian is crap and no one said Lynch is GOAT. Basically we have 2 mediocre (being generous) QBs that need to improve. Along with other areas of the team.

And I've never said Lynch has no future as a starter and Trevor is the next star Qb in the league either. Wow ! Lynch was forth fastest ! Maybe you should be the next GM for the Browns. Your Qb evaluations are second to none. I take back all the posts I've made regarding either Qb. You've put me in my place. I'll try and not lose anymore sleep over the Qb debate. Thank you so much Dr..Phil.

 

[fightinredantz]

One thing working against Lynch is the change in offense. Seimian was about to study the offense for 2 years which helps. We will see how both do given the change in Offense. Could be good, or it could slow their growth a bit as they learn a new offense and try to improve.

One thing that I think may be overlooked a bit is the added rest that the players are getting. The D spent a ton of time on the filed 2 years ago, and then last year was worse. This will extra time to re-energize before off season work out program could be a benefit.

 

[Broncosr0k]

And I've never said Lynch has no future as a starter and Trevor is the next star Qb in the league either.

Yet you are the only one getting butt hurt at the mere mention that maybe Siemian isn't the answer. You have actually twisted arguments to state that despite no one actually saying it.

Wow ! Lynch was forth fastest ! Maybe you should be the next GM for the Browns. Your Qb evaluations are second to none. I take back all the posts I've made regarding either Qb. You've put me in my place. I'll try and not lose anymore sleep over the Qb debate. Thank you so much Dr..Phil.

You asked to post stats, I pointed you to them. It was never my argument but you needed help reading so I offered. Don't get snippy because you are too fucking stupid to scroll up a little and actually read what CD said.

But since you are dead set on being a miserable little child I won't stop you. You go on kicking and screaming about things people never said and I won't step in.

 

[Dr Cyanide 28]

The window has officially closed!

holy crappola... what are we talking about here? also who is this? hummina hummina...

 

[cdumler7]

And I've never said Lynch has no future as a starter and Trevor is the next star Qb in the league either. Wow ! Lynch was forth fastest ! Maybe you should be the next GM for the Browns. Your Qb evaluations are second to none. I take back all the posts I've made regarding either Qb. You've put me in my place. I'll try and not lose anymore sleep over the Qb debate. Thank you so much Dr..Phil.

What stats do you want to know beyond just time from snap to release? I've got plenty

 

[randymon]

Yet you are the only one getting butt hurt at the mere mention that maybe Siemian isn't the answer. You have actually twisted arguments to state that despite no one actually saying it.



You asked to post stats, I pointed you to them. It was never my argument but you needed help reading so I offered. Don't get snippy because you are too fucking stupid to scroll up a little and actually read what CD said.

But since you are dead set on being a miserable little child I won't stop you. You go on kicking and screaming about things people never said and I won't step in.

Whoa easy big boy. Take 3 deep breaths, relax, easy,easy atta boy. Your face was getting all purpled up and swollen. Scared me for a second. Wow.

 

[randymon]

What stats do you want to know beyond just time from snap to release? I've got plenty

Just his Game stats . Forget how he did when he was in for Trevor. That's all.

 

[cdumler7]

Just his Game stats . Forget how he did when he was in for Trevor. That's all.

Alright Lets just compare the two side by side just from the raw stats first...Understand I'm going to take out the stats that well obviously Trevor wins just because of how many games he played in like Touchdowns. You can say that is unfair but then I could say well he threw 10 interceptions to Paxton's 1. Not really a fair comparison.

Trevor Siemian
Completion %--59.5%
Average per attempt--7.0
QB Rating 84.6

Paxton Lynch
Completion %--59.0%
Average per attempt--6.0
QB Rating 79.2

So yes Trevor does beat him on every one of those stats. Not by as much as some think though. I've heard people say that Trevor was far and away the better QB and I'm just not sure the numbers actually suggest that. For both players though it is a pretty small sample size so an interception here or a touchdown there really change everything.

 

[CEH]

This open competition is not really open. This is all about getting Elway's guy playing time and proving Elway right. A radio dude told Elway yesterday "I have Paxton's back". Elway retorted “Hopefully, we get proven right," meaning he Elway hopes to be right about Lynch. Coaches yesterday already said they will keep the terminology the same or similar to help with the learning curve.

 

[cdumler7]

This open competition is not really open. This is all about getting Elway's guy playing time and proving Elway right. A radio dude told Elway yesterday "I have Paxton's back". Elway retorted “Hopefully, we get proven right," meaning he Elway hopes to be right about Lynch. Coaches yesterday already said they will keep the terminology the same or similar to help with the learning curve.

If I remember right they said they would some of the same plays but never heard them talk about terminology. This is where I actually do hope they change things up. Probably the hardest part of Kubiak's system is the terminology/play calling. Once the play is called the actual plays them self are very simple in nature. McCoy is known for operating with the Earhardt-Perkins system which is actually a very simple terminology offense. Most play calls are actually only 2-3 words long. So you can call Eagle Scout and every player knows the role they have on the play

 

[cdumler7]

And yes Paxton would have to really blow it not to win the competition unless they bring in a big veteran. I do think McCoy's system is a big part of why they wanted him to come here because that easy terminology makes it much easier for the QB.

Just as an example the Patriots operate with this same system. It is a big reason they can have back up QB's come in and still perform at a high level because the entire system is designed to make things easy for the QB. The reason some teams won't operate with this scheme is because it can make life much more difficult for the skill position players and why you almost need more intelligence in those players compared to the QB.

 

[randymon]

And yes Paxton would have to really blow it not to win the competition unless they bring in a big veteran. I do think McCoy's system is a big part of why they wanted him to come here because that easy terminology makes it much easier for the QB.

Just as an example the Patriots operate with this same system. It is a big reason they can have back up QB's come in and still perform at a high level because the entire system is designed to make things easy for the QB. The reason some teams won't operate with this scheme is because it can make life much more difficult for the skill position players and why you almost need more intelligence in those players compared to the QB.

I'll be addressing this post and also Brok's charming retort and character assassination attempt when I get some time to use the PC instead of the 5x5 kindle I use 99% of the time. Very challenging with these fat fingers. Looking forward to it. Hang tight though. Know your anxious as hell.

 

[randymon]

Ok. We`ll get to Cd's post above last. I've challenged a few here before to show me one post where I`ve said...." Trevor is the future for Denver" or " Trevor is the answer " or " Lynch can`t/won`t win the job" over Trevor in the future or be a very good Qb for Denver or anyone else. All my posts ( deemed aggressive ) are in response/retaliation over "certain" individuals that bash Trevors skillset,decision making, release time , yada,yada,yada when he has no offensive line to speak of and a basically non-existent run game to support him. Unlike some here, I will wait and see how he performs when he actually has that critical part of any Qbs road to success/logical evaluation surrounding him. If or when that happens and he performs bad or doesn't show any improvement, then I`ll realize that he doesn`t have what it takes to be a quality qb and help this team win a title. Same with Lynch. Give him that opportunity as well, and let them compete and see if either are capable. If Lynch beats out Trevor, so be it and I`m all aboard either way. I`m not going to strut my self-proclaimed Qb guru crap like some on here and say I know what will happen between the two. It`s unfair to gage Trevors performance "critically" with that crappy O- line in front him. The same as it is to proclaim Lynch the better qb based on his sample size either. I`ve never said either one can`t lead Denver to the promised land once the weaknesses are fixed and never said neither one can`t. I`ve just defended the negativity on Trevor and refused to crown Lynch the better qb until they fix the line and get a decent run/pass pro game and let the best man win. The post by Cd implying a big part of the reason they hired McCoy was he ran a more simplified easier offense to grasp for the Qbs. No wait, for Lynch. Not Trevor. God forbid that even though Bronco coaches and Elway have stated that they threw everything but the kitchen sink at Trevor this year and they were extremely proud of how he handled it and absorbed it, that he won`t benefit from the same watered down offensive scheme. That maybe they did it for both of them??? God forbid that Qb ( Trev) wouldn't really excell after showing how well he handle that complicated Kubiak scheme that the rookie couldn`t grasp. Naw. that`s just ridiculous. And finally, being accused of suggesting anything as atrocious as accusing Cd of favoritism for Lynch or for dissing Trevor in any of his post, I`ll just let you all see what you take from his comment of " And yes Lynch would have to "TOTALLY BLOW IT " not to WIN THE COMPETITION unless they bring in a Vet. If that`s not a pure disrespect or blatant cut toward Trevor, then I guess there isn't one. And Yes, I`m totally prepared for the " What I meant to say " reply coming my way. Later

 

[iknowftbll]

Randy...whitespace is your friend!

 

[fightinredantz]

I hope we hired McCoy because he is one heck of a coach and finds aways to get the most out of his players. I really don't care if the system is easy or hard. These guys are professionals. Does your boss care if you feel your job is too hard?I the plays are too tough for either of the to call they will really struggle to read Defenses.