POLL How far will these misfit Lakers go?

[Shaqdaddy11]

In fairness, I mentioned the fact that the Lakers are young in another post... I was trying to help the OPer out... trying to make reasonable out his hometown take.

Why are you getting so annoyed that a Lakers fan is excited about the season? He's made valid points and all you're doing is "Well.... they're not the celtics" and "Ingram and Kuz aren't as good as Brown and tatum"

Who gives a fuck about the celtics in this thread? Start your own little thread if this is winding you up so much.

 

[Gman]

Why are you getting so annoyed that a Lakers fan is excited about the season? He's made valid points and all you're doing is "Well.... they're not the celtics".

Who gives a fuck about the celtics in this thread? Start your own little thread if this is winding you up so much.

Yeah... I'm really getting wound up here.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Yeah... I'm really getting wound up here.

You're pretty much the only one actively arguing the OPs every single post.

 

[Gman]

You're pretty much the only one actively arguing the OPs every single post.

So what? It's a discussion forum, dingus.

 

[trojanfan12]

^ It's a pretty terrible point.

Actually, it's the opposite. It is THE point. Hilarious that you tried to "balance out his homerism" only to show your own homerism instead. lol

You're quibbling... and then adding the word "veteran" in quotes for some reason.

You really can't grasp that I had that in quotes because I was mocking them as veteran role players?

Sarcasm not a thing in Beantown?

I'll stand by what I said, the way I said it

If you can find any poster outside of Laker homer city who thinks Ingram and Kuzma are the same difference as Tatum and Brown... I would be shocked, though.

When you find the post where I said they were, feel free to point it out.

Right now, I'd say Tatum is better than Ingram, although it'll be interesting to see where they each are in about 3 years. I think Ingram could have a slightly higher ceiling, IF he fills out and works hard. But I'm not convinced of that.

Of all of the kids, I'm most interested to see what he can learn from Lebron.

As for Kuzma and Brown, I don't think one is markedly better than the other and I think they both have the same ceiling...very good 6th man/spot starter types who will be important role players on a couple of good teams, that will hopefully be seeing each other in the finals a time or 3.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

So what? It's a discussion forum, dingus.

You're hardly discussing. You're getting upset about what other people have posted.

Whatever works for you.

 

[trojanfan12]

You're hardly discussing. You're getting upset about what other people have posted.

Whatever works for you.

He's not getting upset. He's "providing some balance". lol

He's correct too. His homerism has balanced out OP's homerism quite well.

 

[Gman]

Actually, it's the opposite. It is THE point. Hilarious that you tried to "balance out his homerism" only to show your own homerism instead. lol

^ No substance here. I'll stand by the point I made.

You really can't grasp that I had that in quotes because I was mocking them as veteran role players?

Sarcasm not a thing in Beantown?

Really seemed like you were trying to move the goalposts in an attempt to exclude players from the conversation that the OP was talking up.

When you find the post where I said they were, feel free to point it out.

It's the point at issue in the conversation you've joined... no need to get defensive.

Right now, I'd say Tatum is better than Ingram, although it'll be interesting to see where they each are in about 3 years. I think Ingram could have a slightly higher ceiling, IF he fills out and works hard. But I'm not convinced of that.

Of all of the kids, I'm most interested to see what he can learn from Lebron.

As for Kuzma and Brown, I don't think one is markedly better than the other and I think they both have the same ceiling...very good 6th man/spot starter types who will be important role players on a couple of good teams, that will hopefully be seeing each other in the finals a time or 3.

^ All of this is reasonable.

The main differences between Kuzma and Brown is that 1.) Brown is younger and 2.) Brown has proven to be a significantly better defender to this point in his career.

But yeah, I would agree he belongs more in "important role player" territory as of now... as opposed to budding star. Or to put it another way, I'm more confident (even cocky) that Tatum is going to develop into a bonafide star... but I just can't give that same level of confidence to Brown... I haven't seen that yet.

 

[Gman]

You're hardly discussing. You're getting upset about what other people have posted.

Whatever works for you.

Show me where I got upset, SD. I'll wait.

 

[Gman]

He's not getting upset. He's "providing some balance". lol

He's correct too. His homerism has balanced out OP's homerism quite well.

If it's homer to suggest that Tatum and Brown are better than Ingram and Kuzma... than you can call me homer all day long.

Like I said earlier and I'll repeat again... find me one non-Laker fan who agrees with the OP on this point... and I'll be shocked.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Show me where I got upset, SD. I'll wait.

Post #12

Literally your first post got you upset with that the OP said.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If it's homer to suggest that Tatum and Brown are better than Ingram and Kuzma... than you can call me homer all day long.

Like I said earlier and I'll repeat again... find me one non-Laker fan who agrees with the OP on this point... and I'll be shocked.

You are aware than Ingram and Kuzma have been in the league for like a combined 2.5 years, right? And you're going "My players are better than yours"

Do you really not see what you're doing here?

 

[trojanfan12]

^ No substance here. I'll stand by the point I made.

Hey, if you want to continue to be wrong. I'm certainly not going to stand in your way.

Really seemed like you were trying to move the goalposts in an attempt to exclude players from the conversation that the OP was talking up.

Wasn't trying to move anything. I was pointing out the difference between the C's role players and the Lakers role players and that the C's role players were better.

The main differences between Kuzma and Brown is that 1.) Brown is younger and 2.) Brown has proven to be a significantly better defender to this point in his career.

Agree. Kuzma was in school for, I believe, 3 years (might be 4). Yeah, Brown is a better defender and Kuzma is better on offense. I think that they will each improve their weak spots and will become essentially the same player. Although I think Brown will always be a little better defender and Kuzma a little better on offense.

I'm more confident (even cocky) that Tatum is going to develop into a bonafide star...

Scariest thing about Tatum is that he performed that well in the playoffs as a rookie. I was really impressed with his poise.

 

[Gman]

Post #12

Literally your first post got you upset with that the OP said.

Disagreeing is not the same thing as upset.

I reread that post. You'd have to bend pretty far to reach a conclusion like, "man... that poster is upset!"

 

[trojanfan12]

If it's homer to suggest that Tatum and Brown are better than Ingram and Kuzma... than you can call me homer all day long.

Like I said earlier and I'll repeat again... find me one non-Laker fan who agrees with the OP on this point... and I'll be shocked.

I never said that was homerisitic. Virtually every other post you made has been and I already pointed out to you where and why.

Again, as I said, you balanced out OP's homerism with your own. The hilarious part is that, while you accomplished your goal of balancing out what he said...you didn't accomplish it the way you think you did.

 

[Gman]

Agree. Kuzma was in school for, I believe, 3 years (might be 4). Yeah, Brown is a better defender and Kuzma is better on offense. I think that they will each improve their weak spots and will become essentially the same player. Although I think Brown will always be a little better defender and Kuzma a little better on offense.

I would be more confident betting that Brown improves his offense to the level of Kuzma then betting Kuzma improves his defense to the level of Brown.

Kuzma might get better on D, but Brown has a ceiling of all-NBA defensive team... he can be really special on that end.

Scariest thing about Tatum is that he performed that well in the playoffs as a rookie. I was really impressed with his poise.

I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm about him, I really am. But if I'm homer anywhere, it's about Tatum... and it all started during the playoffs... I saw "it"... Tatum's got "it"

Watching Tatum work his butt off this summer hasn't helped my condition.

 

[Gman]

I never said that was homerisitic. Virtually every other post you made has been and I already pointed out to you where and why.

Again, as I said, you balanced out OP's homerism with your own. The hilarious part is that, while you accomplished your goal of balancing out what he said...you didn't accomplish it the way you think you did.

Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. From my point-of-view, you haven't really explained "why"... but whatever.

I'm fine agreeing to disagree on this one.

 

[Gman]

You are aware than Ingram and Kuzma have been in the league for like a combined 2.5 years, right? And you're going "My players are better than yours"

Do you really not see what you're doing here?

Look up the ages of Tatum and Brown, dingus. We can certainly compare this foursome on equal terms age and experience wise.

 

[trojanfan12]

I would be more confident betting that Brown improves his offense to the level of Kuzma then betting Kuzma improves his defense to the level of Brown.

I disagree. I don't know if he ever will, it's always hard to say with rookies, especially on defense. But Kuzma has the length and athleticism to be an elite level defender.

In both cases though, I don't think either player is good enough to be elite at either end of the floor, without sacrificing on the other end.

So, if Brown becomes an all NBA defensive player, it's unlikely that he will ever be as good as Kuzma on offense. Same holds true for Kuzma. If he decides he wants to be a great defender, it will cost him offensively. At the same time though, if he concentrates on being as good as he can be offensively, he'll never get to Brown's level defensively.

 

[trojanfan12]

I would be more confident betting that Brown improves his offense to the level of Kuzma then betting Kuzma improves his defense to the level of Brown.

Kuzma might get better on D, but Brown has a ceiling of all-NBA defensive team... he can be really special on that end.

I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm about him, I really am. But if I'm homer anywhere, it's about Tatum... and it all started during the playoffs... I saw "it"... Tatum's got "it"

Watching Tatum work his butt off this summer hasn't helped my condition.

Wanna know how much "it" he's got?

He had me rooting for your Celtics in the playoffs...that's how much "it" he's got. lol

I haven't been this impressed by a Celtic since Bird. Not saying he'll get to that level. But he's really impressive.