Hey Shark (thoughts about last night's game)

[deanpet21]

Did you watch the game last night? I noticed that Denver ran all over them last night. So much for the dline. They keep blitzing Simein and I thought he handled it well. I still think the absence of Norman is going to kill them. We had this disagreement awhile back about this. Wasn't impressed with Carolina d at all last night. A good veteran QB would of torched them last night. Simemn made his first nfl start against a supposedly good d a played well. He made one bad throw with the pick.

I still think CBs are more important than dline.

 

[Sharkinva]

Did you watch the game last night? I noticed that Denver ran all over them last night. So much for the dline. They keep blitzing Simein and I thought he handled it well. I still think the absence of Norman is going to kill them. We had this disagreement awhile back about this. Wasn't impressed with Carolina d at all last night. A good veteran QB would of torched them last night. Simemn made his first nfl start against a supposedly good d a played well. He made one bad throw with the pick.

I still think CBs are more important than dline.

One game does not a season make. And lets face it, despite the fact that the Panthers lost, their defense, and in particular their D-line played well. Corners are only as good as the D-line they play with. You give almost any QB at the NFL level enough time and he will find some one open. Neither QB threw for over 200 yards, which is more a factor of them being under pressure the whole night more so than the over awesome CB play last night.


Lets revisit this at mid season and see where the respective teams stand. People will say Im being pessimistic, but I see the Redskins as a 6-10 to 8-8 team for two reasons... we likely cant run the ball again, and we likely cant stop the run again. We are going to live and die based on Cousins arm, and the secondary.

 

[Krusheasy]

People will say Im being pessimistic, but I see the Redskins as a 6-10 to 8-8 team

i called dad a pessimist in another thread ... that was a poor choice of words

you two are just realists.

while i prefer to live in my own redskins fantasy world.

as for the game last night ... wow. Still mad i had to go to bed, lol.

I am amazed that QB was able to do what he did.... especially after how poorly he played in the first half.

Kubiak drew up the FB draw that slow guy scored the first TD on ... first thought came to my head was that is a Shanny designed play ... they used to try & have Cooley run that ... but he would only get .5 yards, lol

 

[deanpet21]

One game does not a season make. And lets face it, despite the fact that the Panthers lost, their defense, and in particular their D-line played well. Corners are only as good as the D-line they play with. You give almost any QB at the NFL level enough time and he will find some one open. Neither QB threw for over 200 yards, which is more a factor of them being under pressure the whole night more so than the over awesome CB play last night.


Lets revisit this at mid season and see where the respective teams stand. People will say Im being pessimistic, but I see the Redskins as a 6-10 to 8-8 team for two reasons... we likely cant run the ball again, and we likely cant stop the run again. We are going to live and die based on Cousins arm, and the secondary.

How did their d line play well if they gave up a ton of rushing yards and had to sell out to get pressure on Simean? If they were getting pressure why blitz? Their defense is going to take a step back this year. Norman will be missed when they go against good qb's.

 

[Sharkinva]

How did their d line play well if they gave up a ton of rushing yards and had to sell out to get pressure on Simean? If they were getting pressure why blitz? Their defense is going to take a step back this year. Norman will be missed when they go against good qb's.

Dean, the only reason you even remotely care is your trying to Prove Norman was worth the deal we gave up for him. If you actually watched the game, Carolina didnt blitz any more than usual, and their D-line was producing pressure without blitzing. But once again reality does not fit in with your Madden football induced picture of things. Their defense might take a step back, but when you finished the season in the top ten you might be able to give up a step.

When you finish in the bottom five, well I dont think this needs much more explaining does it?? They started a rookie in place of the all powerful Josh Norman, And yet still managed to give up 70 Yards less than we did on average last year.

And the real kicker, last year WITH Norman they gave up an average of 322 yards a game, last night they gave up 307.... God they missed him so much.

 

[redskin4209]

One game does not a season make. And lets face it, despite the fact that the Panthers lost, their defense, and in particular their D-line played well. Corners are only as good as the D-line they play with. You give almost any QB at the NFL level enough time and he will find some one open. Neither QB threw for over 200 yards, which is more a factor of them being under pressure the whole night more so than the over awesome CB play last night.


Lets revisit this at mid season and see where the respective teams stand. People will say Im being pessimistic, but I see the Redskins as a 6-10 to 8-8 team for two reasons... we likely cant run the ball again, and we likely cant stop the run again. We are going to live and die based on Cousins arm, and the secondary.

I concur Shark. One of the ABC's of football is being able to run the ball and able to stop the opposition from running the ball. I think we should be able to run if we do it wisely however Gruden has a tendency to be pass happy. No need to discuss more about our run def.

We also have a very weak pass rush also and that is even more problematic in regards to our run def.

All in all we should finish around 8-8. I simply have no confidence in our run and pass Def. I am from show me Texas, so our def will have to prove it!!!!

 

[deanpet21]

Dean, the only reason you even remotely care is your trying to Prove Norman was worth the deal we gave up for him. If you actually watched the game, Carolina didnt blitz any more than usual, and their D-line was producing pressure without blitzing. But once again reality does not fit in with your Madden football induced picture of things. Their defense might take a step back, but when you finished the season in the top ten you might be able to give up a step.

When you finish in the bottom five, well I dont think this needs much more explaining does it?? They started a rookie in place of the all powerful Josh Norman, And yet still managed to give up 70 Yards less than we did on average last year.

And the real kicker, last year WITH Norman they gave up an average of 322 yards a game, last night they gave up 307.... God they missed him so much.

Of course they did. Rewatch the game shark. They constantly sent safeties. Even Collonsworth commented on how well Simen was handling the blitz. lol. The reality is that they got run over last night. What about denvers last TD? Ran it down there throats on 4th down. Then on 3rd and goal ran it up the middle for the game winning TD. But yet you say there defensive line played well.

Denver didn't have to throw as much b/c they were having so much success running the ball. What about the TD run with Denvers Fullback. The rookie CB just went right by him in no mans land. He couldn't find the ball. You are actually going to say that the loss of Norman will not effect their defense this year? That is insane.

That was an embarrassing loss for Carolina last night. They were up by 10 points in the 4th qtr and lost to a guy who made his first career nfl start. Yes Newton did get picked off in there own territory but they hype of there defense should of stopped them. Werent they favored by 6 points? Im so glad they lost.

 

[Sharkinva]

Of course they did. Rewatch the game shark. They constantly sent safeties. Even Collonsworth commented on how well Simen was handling the blitz. lol. The reality is that they got run over last night. What about denvers last TD? Ran it down there throats on 4th down. Then on 3rd and goal ran it up the middle for the game winning TD. But yet you say there defensive line played well.

Denver didn't have to throw as much b/c they were having so much success running the ball. What about the TD run with Denvers Fullback. The rookie CB just went right by him in no mans land. He couldn't find the ball. You are actually going to say that the loss of Norman will not effect their defense this year? That is insane.

That was an embarrassing loss for Carolina last night. They were up by 10 points in the 4th qtr and lost to a guy who made his first career nfl start. Yes Newton did get picked off in there own territory but they hype of there defense should of stopped them. Werent they favored by 6 points? Im so glad they lost.

Like I said dude, lets revisit this at mid season and see where both defenses stand. You are sold on the big names of Norman, Hood and the Madden Joystick mentality of building a team. You are glad Carolina lost because it fosters your belief that Norman some how made that defense. Carolina lost because they got outplayed and out coached. But I doubt any one outside of you and maybe one other poster on this board has any even remotely realistic idea that our defense will be better than Carolina's even WITH Norman.


Side note, after I finish rewatching the game, I will give you an exact count of the number of times Carolina blitzed.

 

[deanpet21]

Like I said dude, lets revisit this at mid season and see where both defenses stand. You are sold on the big names of Norman, Hood and the Madden Joystick mentality of building a team. You are glad Carolina lost because it fosters your belief that Norman some how made that defense. Carolina lost because they got outplayed and out coached. But I doubt any one outside of you and maybe one other poster on this board has any even remotely realistic idea that our defense will be better than Carolina's even WITH Norman.


Side note, after I finish rewatching the game, I will give you an exact count of the number of times Carolina blitzed.

Im not comparing our defense. If Norman stayed with Carolina they would be a better defense. Norman was a big part of that defense last year. You seem to deny that. Carolina will not be the team they were last year and they now have Benjamin back. They will win the division b/c the defenses in that division are awful. If they somehow lose the division this year their GM should be fired immediately.

Norman will help our defense. We will be better than last year on defense. ITs just crazy to me that you don't think the Norman signing would do anything to help our team. You are probably the only one on here that was against the pickup.

 

[Sharkinva]

Im not comparing our defense. If Norman stayed with Carolina they would be a better defense. Norman was a big part of that defense last year. You seem to deny that. Carolina will not be the team they were last year and they now have Benjamin back. They will win the division b/c the defenses in that division are awful. If they somehow lose the division this year their GM should be fired immediately.

Norman will help our defense. We will be better than last year on defense. ITs just crazy to me that you don't think the Norman signing would do anything to help our team. You are probably the only one on here that was against the pickup.

When have I ever said Norman wont help our defense.

I will put it out there. Yes he will help our defense, but I also think you give him entirely too much credit for Carolina s defense. What you refuse to accept is, the team that drafted him apparently thinks they can get by without him. To any NORMAL human being that would be a red flag. Norman wont be the first player to ball out in a contract year, and get paid else where. How does that usually work out??? Does he make our defense better??

Probably, but then again our defense wasnt all that good to begin with.

 

[Breed]

You are probably the only one on here that was against the pickup.

I won't say I was against the signing. I wasn't happy with it either, particularly with the coin they gave Norman. Now I've read that Norman has gradually become a better and better player as his career progressed. Last year was his first year in the NFL as a 16 game stater and first year in 3 years where he didn't miss a game.

Now maybe last year was the year that Norman put it all together and he's the CB we all hope he is and my fears are unfounded and unnecessary. I was hoping the same thing about Chris Culliver, who's career has trekked somewhat like Norman's, and he lasted what? 6 games and gave the Skins 16 tackles and is currently a Dolphin I believe.

All of which leads me to wonder 2 things.............A) did we give up on Culliver too soon and B) is Norman all what Scotty Mac thinks he is which from the contract given to Norman is a top tier cover CB

 

[Sharkinva]

IM still wondering when I said I was against the signing of Norman?? Just because I dont have my head so far up his ass I can tell you what he had for lunch yesterday, and because Im not convinced it was the slam dunk move. I never said it was a bad move, but Im allowed to wonder if he is the greatest player to ever play CB, why the Panthers would just let him walk for nothing at this point? Add in the number of BIG FA signings around the league, and in DC in particular, that have flamed out faster than Richard Simmons at a Streisand concert, and I think any one who doesnt at least accept the possibility that this wasnt the awesome move some proclaim......

Lets just say if you dont have some questions about this move, you are either being unrealistic or a blind homer. Or in some cases both.

 

[Breed]

Lets just say if you dont have some questions about this move, you are either being unrealistic or a blind homer. Or in some cases both.

I certainly agree with this. This wasn't a Darrelle Revis signing. A CB who has shown he's more than capable of covering #1 WRs without help for multiple seasons. Norman had a very good, a great season even last year. Which gives him exactly one season of being anything more than an average CB. It was a big investment for a player with a great season, his contract season, under his belt.

 

[skinsdad62]

You overpay for free agents and big names can burn you . The good thing is Norman is young

I have us at 10-6 I believe we can I overcome the problems on the d/line and running game but the center position has to bring it . The screen game could substitute for rush offense.

But make no mistake , we have a lot to prove

 

[Sharkinva]

You overpay for free agents and big names can burn you . The good thing is Norman is young

I have us at 10-6 I believe we can I overcome the problems on the d/line and running game but the center position has to bring it . The screen game could substitute for rush offense.

But make no mistake , we have a lot to prove

OK folks.. stock up on batteries and bottled water, cause shit just got real.

Normally its me predicting 10-6 and Skinsdad predicting 6-10.

This has got to be a sign of the apocalypse.

 

[skinsdad62]

OK folks.. stock up on batteries and bottled water, cause shit just got real.

Normally its me predicting 10-6 and Skinsdad predicting 6-10.

This has got to be a sign of the apocalypse.

Isn't my handle skins 6-10 dad62 ?

 

[deanpet21]

IM still wondering when I said I was against the signing of Norman?? Just because I dont have my head so far up his ass I can tell you what he had for lunch yesterday, and because Im not convinced it was the slam dunk move. I never said it was a bad move, but Im allowed to wonder if he is the greatest player to ever play CB, why the Panthers would just let him walk for nothing at this point? Add in the number of BIG FA signings around the league, and in DC in particular, that have flamed out faster than Richard Simmons at a Streisand concert, and I think any one who doesnt at least accept the possibility that this wasnt the awesome move some proclaim......

Lets just say if you dont have some questions about this move, you are either being unrealistic or a blind homer. Or in some cases both.

Now you are just backtracking. You slammed the signing of Norman. Calling it a massive overpay and he only had one good year in the NFL. Where are all the posters who said Long would win the starting LG job over Lavou? They vanished like a fart in the wind. lol.

 

[j_y19]

Now you are just backtracking. You slammed the signing of Norman. Calling it a massive overpay and he only had one good year in the NFL. Where are all the posters who said Long would win the starting LG job over Lavou? They vanished like a fart in the wind. lol.

Both of those claims are true. Norman has had only 1 good year and he was overpaid. As for long, he has a sprained ankle and didn't practice for the last 2 weeks. Don't count lavaou as the entrenched starter just yet.

 

[Sharkinva]

Now you are just backtracking. You slammed the signing of Norman. Calling it a massive overpay and he only had one good year in the NFL. Where are all the posters who said Long would win the starting LG job over Lavou? They vanished like a fart in the wind. lol.

I guess if stating facts is slamming the move, then Im guilty as charged. We did overpay Norman by making him the highest paid corner in the league based on one years worth of production. One year in some one elses system I might add. I must say though I find the double standard for players shocking though. Had we made Kirk one of the top ten players at his position, many were up in arms at the mere thought, but give Norman the highest contract at his position ever,,, great move,

 

[deanpet21]

I guess if stating facts is slamming the move, then Im guilty as charged. We did overpay Norman by making him the highest paid corner in the league based on one years worth of production. One year in some one elses system I might add. I must say though I find the double standard for players shocking though. Had we made Kirk one of the top ten players at his position, many were up in arms at the mere thought, but give Norman the highest contract at his position ever,,, great move,

What kind of money do you think Norman would of got? If he didn't get it from us then another team was going to give him basically the same deal. IF you want to get a quality player like Norman you are going to pay. Im all for this move b/c its a Cb not a DT, S , or ILB. How could you not want a top 5 Cb in the game? Doesn't make sense to me. Carolina will miss him. Two rookies are not going to come in and make Carolina fans forget about Norman.