Heat Fans.....remember when??

[Flauge]

BK-

Ignore the Laker fans bullshit. Wade said it would be his last first round exit. He didnt say anything about staying with Miami. If Miami didnt sign anyone else, he could have bolted to Chicago and teamed with Rose and others.

Besides.. players talking isnt collusion. It's just not. Laker fans cry collusion on Miami, but are oddly silent about Kobe talking on the phone with Dwight last year.

Enjoy the playoffs Laker fans, I know I will. Miami becomes a dynasty this year. 3 titles and 4 finals in 8 years. And it's not done yet.

 

[Black Adam]

BK-

Ignore the Laker fans bullshit. Wade said it would be his last first round exit. He didnt say anything about staying with Miami. If Miami didnt sign anyone else, he could have bolted to Chicago and teamed with Rose and others.

Besides.. players talking isnt collusion. It's just not. Laker fans cry collusion on Miami, but are oddly silent about Kobe talking on the phone with Dwight last year.

Enjoy the playoffs Laker fans, I know I will. Miami becomes a dynasty this year. 3 titles and 4 finals in 8 years. And it's not done yet.

LOL, yeah, easy for Heat fans to blow it off as "bullshit". bet if any other team benefitted from this crap you wouldn't be singing this tune...





CL67

 

[Vitamike]

You guys have no proof of anything....just pure bullshit.

Unless you have solid proof of Pat Riley and LBJ making a side deal before he became a free agency just give it up

You know BK I really don't want to give you too much grief over this but this would end up being a civil case where only the preponderance of the evidence needs to favors the plaintiff. For example, if the jury believes that there is more than a 50% probability. When I brought this up I said there were hints of collusion.

Those are some very fine points there BK but if the Heat won 47 games and got bounced in the first round who's to say if they won say just 5 more games that they wouldn't get bounced in the first round again. Like I said he was awful confident for a guy who wasn't suppose to have a clue to what the future held. He acted more like a guy who knew exactly what was in store for his playoff future.

Having a consistent #2 option such as Lee, Bosh, or Amare is much different than having the very inconsistent Mike Beasley as your #2 option. He did know what the future held. Unless you were living under a rock in 2010 EVERYONE knew that Miami and NYK would sign a few of the top 5 FA's that year. It was never a secret. It was just a matter of who get who. So Wade knew the team would look different the following season because they finally had money to sign another top player to play along with him.

I remember the Heat back then, dude they had just about everybody's contract clearing that year. They needed a lot more than just 2 good free agent, they needed a lot of role players too. As it turned out, when you have a LeBron, Wade and Bosh, those role players will sign for a lot less money. You don't think that Pat knew this all along? Heck he saw it happen with GP and KM with the Lakers for Shaq's last Finals run as a Laker.

I agree. They did need a lot of role players but remember if they don't sign LBJ they have all that money to sign at least 2 role players with that money. In addition to that the contract they gave to Mike Miller would have gone to a better role player instead of a one dimensional player like Miller. They used to MLE on him.

I could see the Heat signing Wade, Lee/Bosh/Amare, Felton, and Wes Matthews that offseason if they never got LBJ. Let's say Felton and Wes Matthews split LBJ contract (in terms of money mil made per year). They would have still had Mike Miller money to sign even more role players.

The point here is you said with the changes that may of excluded Bron & Bosh that they still could have won 5-7 more games. I'm saying that if they got bounced in the first round winning 47, then why wouldn't if be conceivable to believe they could get bounced again with 52 wins in the first round? It happens that 3 and 4 seeds get bounced in the first round all the time and No. 2 seeds are bounced from time to time as well.

Now I like Wade as you may very well know that but the confidence he is speaking from is from a team aspect but let's face it at the time, he had no team that he could be relying on to back up his statement.

So what gives?

Are you going to argue that his statement didn't even 'hint' that he could have known something was agreed in principle if in fact it had gone down that way?

 

[bksballer89]

You know BK I really don't want to give you too much grief over this but this would end up being a civil case where only the preponderance of the evidence needs to favors the plaintiff. For example, if the jury believes that there is more than a 50% probability. When I brought this up I said there were hints of collusion.



The point here is you said with the changes that may of excluded Bron & Bosh that they still could have won 5-7 more games. I'm saying that if they got bounced in the first round winning 47, then why wouldn't if be conceivable to believe they could get bounced again with 52 wins in the first round? It happens that 3 and 4 seeds get bounced in the first round all the time and No. 2 seeds are bounced from time to time as well.

Now I like Wade as you may very well know that but the confidence he is speaking from is from a team aspect but let's face it at the time, he had no team that he could be relying on to back up his statement.

So what gives?

Are you going to argue that his statement didn't even 'hint' that he could have known something was agreed in principle if in fact it had gone down that way?

Yes I am. The Heat had plans to make moves in free agency no matter what. If it wasn't Bosh and James, it would have been Amare/Lee and probably Joe Johnson or something....Maybe Amare, felton, and Wes Matthews to team up with Wade

You're making it seem as if Wade said "This is the last time I will be knocked out of the 1st round as a Miami Heat"

I actually look at Wade comments as more of a threat to Miami. His comments pretty much said if you do not make significant changes to help me I will find somewhere else to go where I have more help.

 

[Vitamike]

First you say this

Besides.. players talking isnt collusion. It's just not.

And then you say this...

Laker fans cry collusion on Miami, but are oddly silent about Kobe talking on the phone with Dwight last year.

I didn't see anybody crying about Wade and Bron 'talking', so what's so odd? As a matter of fact I pointed that out about Shaq 'talking' to Gary Payton and Karl Malone.

Miami becomes a dynasty this year. 3 titles and 4 finals in 8 years. And it's not done yet.

It's not done yet he says, geez what you've listed there hasn't even happened. Just like Miami and their fans always counting on things before they happen and trying to make things more than there are. That worked out well in 2010 didn't it?

You know Flague, to be accurate as it stands it's only Wade who spans the 7 years, not even the HC. Even at that he has 2 titles in 3 trips to the Finals trips in those 7 years. If that's your idea of a 'Dynasty' then so be it, just don't try sell off that fools gold in here. Yes, right now they are the favorites but let's not crown them just yet. Many a favorite has lost a Championship in route to a 'sure' title. So just be thankful for your situation and learn to respect your teams actual accomplishments, brah

 

[Vitamike]

Yes I am.

Not even a hint? Wow that's really keeping your blinders on if you can't take an objective look at it.

I actually look at Wade comments as more of a threat to Miami. His comments pretty much said if you do not make significant changes to help me I will find somewhere else to go where I have more help.

That's a very good point! And maybe that's exactly what he was doing there, but did he actually say that? No, however he may have hinted that it was a threat.

Why is it that I can buy into your possible speculation at what he could have been hinting at and you have a problem considering the hint that I've suggested?

 

[bksballer89]

Not even a hint? Wow that's really keeping your blinders on if you can't take an objective look at it.



That's a very good point! And maybe that's exactly what he was doing there, but did he actually say that? No, however he may have hinted that it was a threat.

Why is it that I can buy into your possible speculation at what he could have been hinting at and you have a problem considering the hint that I've suggested?

Because your speculation is ridiculous. As I said if he said that as long as he is a Heat player he doesn't plan on getting eliminated in round 1 then I would be able to buy your speculation. All you could take from his comments is that Wade would be on a team where he has more help.

 

[Vitamike]

All you could take from his comments is that Wade would be on a team where he has more help

So at least we agree the comment was more about his 'team' than about himself. So here's where I think there's a hint. In your position he had no idea what team he would be on or who his teammates would be, so how could he be so confident in his statement? That is unless he knew something he couldn't share? Oh well it's only speculation, I didn't mean to go to war with you on it. I just think sometimes people just don't even want to open up there minds to these types of things because it breaks down our sports idols and things we care about.

 

[shitsho]

So at least we agree the comment was more about his 'team' than about himself. So here's where I think there's a hint. In your position he had no idea what team he would be on or who his teammates would be, so how could he be so confident in his statement?

Your reaching VitaMike. Doesn't really matter what he meant by his statement. No one is a mind reader. Brandon Jennings just said confidently that he was sure they could take the Heat in 6. Is that collusion as well?

 

[Vitamike]

Your reaching VitaMike. Doesn't really matter what he meant by his statement. No one is a mind reader. Brandon Jennings just said confidently that he was sure they could take the Heat in 6. Is that collusion as well?

I'm reaching? Did you even read my initial statement?

I said there was a hint. How is a hint a reach?

BK said he was hinting that Wade was threatening to leave the team by your definition BK was reaching too?

Sometimes people say things that either clue us in or clue us out. But at least my comment was relevant unlike your BJ comment.

You know at least BJ has a team he can call on to try and back up his confident statement and that's the point, he has a team around him to be confident about. Wade had nobody LOL seriously how many dudes were on the roster in 2010 that were on the roster in 2009?

 

[bksballer89]

I'm reaching? Did you even read my initial statement?

I said there was a hint. How is a hint a reach?

BK said he was hinting that Wade was threatening to leave the team by your definition BK was reaching too?

Sometimes people say things that either clue us in or clue us out. But at least my comment was relevant unlike your BJ comment.

You know at least BJ has a team he can call on to try and back up his confident statement and that's the point, he has a team around him to be confident about. Wade had nobody LOL seriously how many dudes were on the roster in 2010 that were on the roster in 2009?

I believe 4 or 5.

Wade, Chalmers, Udonis, Joel, and James Jones

 

[True Lakers Fan]

So having confidence that you won't be getting eliminated in the first round is ego? You guys make it seem as if he said starting next year I will be playing in the finals every year for the rest of my career.

I guess in your world believing in yourself=being full of yourself

Can you name one person in here and say with a straight face that he is "not full of himself"?

Lets get real here now

 

[shitsho]

I'm reaching? Did you even read my initial statement?

I said there was a hint. How is a hint a reach?

BK said he was hinting that Wade was threatening to leave the team by your definition BK was reaching too?

Sometimes people say things that either clue us in or clue us out. But at least my comment was relevant unlike your BJ comment.

I did read your statement. I said it was reaching because you have no clue what he meant. Neither does BK. I used the BJ comment to show you that someone saying confidently that they wont lose in the first round again is not a hint of collusion. Thats just something you are grabbing onto to support your collusion theory.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

All of you are reaching big time if you think Lebron is even remotely thinking of leaving Miami in the middle of what appears to be repeating championship run after championship runs. They have went to the finals two years straight and even if they don't this year, they will get close enough to make them believe next year is possible. Pat Riley has been in the business a long time and he knows damned well that he has to milk that cow for everything it's got. In a couple of years when Wade retires, and some of the other players leave, Lebron might very well leave if he sees something better, but that is not likely to happen.

 

[Vitamike]

Thats just something you are grabbing onto to support your collusion theory.

Now I have a collusion theory???

Dude, here you go again with all these opinions about what I think and they are base on what?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

"I did read your statement. I said it was reaching because you have no clue what he meant. Neither does BK. I used the BJ comment to show you that someone saying confidently that they wont lose in the first round again is not a hint of collusion. Thats just something you are grabbing onto to support your collusion theory. "


Actually, I remember the interview session after the game.

The tone of Wade's voice was threatening.

Like Riley said in a radio interview yesterday, he knew back in 2006 who would be becoming FA's in 2010. So did everybody else.
His plan came to fruition becasue of him sticking to his plan and a few other pieces falling his way. The biggest piece was the Cavs failing to surround James with championship type players and then being in a postion financially to do nothing about it.

 

[Vitamike]

Actually, I remember the interview session after the game.

The tone of Wade's voice was threatening.

Yeah, that tone could of been because he was pissed off too. He did just lose 4-1 in the first round, right?. You know guys, I'm not at all convinced that there was collusion, however unlike many of you, I'm not completely ruling it out either.

Back to the actual topic at hand.....

July 14, 2004

Shaquille O'Neal is traded to the Miami Heat for Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and a future 1st round draft choice.

That was a great day for the Miami Heat and their fans....

 

[SEC Official]

I cancelled my Heat season tickets when the so-called "Big 3" came... I had hated Lebron for so long. And then the ESPN hour special where he was trying to be coy, yet he had already booked a party in Miami to celebrate him coming to town. What a moron... that is when I knew they would be the most hated team... regardless of how many titles they win. Heat are the equivalent of the Yankees... trying to buy championships when they have trouble winning them.

The peak of the Heat was when they won the title fair and square with Wade... those were the best times for me.

 

[thehoorse]

I cancelled my Heat season tickets when the so-called "Big 3" came... I had hated Lebron for so long.

Someone out there is glad you did. I'm sure they did not stay unavailable for long.

And then the ESPN hour special where he was trying to be coy, yet he had already booked a party in Miami to celebrate him coming to town. What a moron...

Was not handled well, agreed. However, I think you're putting way too much faith and emotion in a young guy who has tons of money and fame from just playing basketball. Who cares what he does when he's not playing basketball?

that is when I knew they would be the most hated team... regardless of how many titles they win. Heat are the equivalent of the Yankees... trying to buy championships when they have trouble winning them.

Many people knew they were going to be hated when they came together. That's how it is when you have what everyone else wants.

The peak of the Heat was when they won the title fair and square with Wade... those were the best times for me.

Those may have been your best times, but that does not make it their peak. The Heat are at an all time high in popularity and success right now. The ratings and records prove that.

 

[SEC Official]

thehoorse,

Honest question, did you like Lebron before he was with the Heat?

Also, a contributing factor to my Heat tickets being cancelled was getting a knife pulled on my wife and I out by the old Miami arena while walking back to our car. We lived Lighthouse Point and drove down for the games. Stayed late afterwards to hang with some of the Dolphin management in their booth, and made the dumb mistake of walking on a nice night back to our car. That was almost 10 years ago... hopefully they have cleaned up that area since then (as we moved across country so I no longer know..)