Healthy Comparisons...(This ought to be fun)

[ehb5]

So again maybe I have not been clear enough.

The statement has been made many times that we cant pay Cousins like some of these elite QBs.

You then made the statement that comparing Cousins to Brees was a rather aggressive move.

Again I will state.... If we are saying that we cant pay Cousins on that level, then we have already compared him to the Brees/Rogers/Brady/etc crowd because the statement has been made, you cant pay him like these guys get paid.

The assertion is being made that you cant pay Cousins on that level because..

Stick with me here

Because he doesnt compare to guys making that kind of money now.

So if the premise is, he cant get paid at that level, because that is the level of elite QB's. Said named aggressive move has already been made.

Correct me if Im wrong but what you are saying is...

We compare Kirk to all manner of QBs including the elite QBs when we talk about how much he should make. (I would agree with this and have no problem with it btw)

And therefore you think its odd that I have a problem with comping him to Brees now in this thread. Am I correct here?

 

[Sharkinva]

Correct me if Im wrong but what you are saying is...

We compare Kirk to all manner of QBs including the elite QBs when we talk about how much he should make. (I would agree with this and have no problem with it btw)

And therefore you think its odd that I have a problem with comping him to Brees now in this thread. Am I correct here?

I have no problem with you saying its odd or aggressive to compare him to any one. I am simply stating that it has already been done, so its not some bold move at this point because the comparisons were started the moment it was said

1. He doesn't deserve (Insert QB of choice here) type of money
2. I wouldn't pay Kirk more than (insert QB name here)

 

[ehb5]

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The Brees comparison is an interesting one. Brees didn't really do well until his 4th season & after his 28th start. Cousins had his 28th start last season & is at a similar pt rt now. Brees worked with a tremendous TE (a HOFer) just like the Redskins have, but he also had the advantage of having a HOF RB. Their careers have some similarities in that both battled another QB & lots of folks had their doubts on both.

People always think of the current Brees when referencing his skill level. They forget that he was not always viewed in this manner.

The Brees comp IS an interesting one. But I still think its aggressive simply because expecting somebody to become an all timer after the age of 29 is likely going to lead to disapointment. Now Cousins COULD end up Brady or Brees 2.0 and I have no problem with people saying that as long as they realize how unlikely it is that actually happens. Which is all my initial post in the thread was trying to say but it has been derailed over semantics about the meaning of a comparison (partially my fault - I couldve been more clear initially).

 

[ehb5]

I have no problem with you saying its odd or aggressive to compare him to any one. I am simply stating that it has already been done, so its not some bold move at this point because the comparisons were started the moment it was said

1. He doesn't deserve (Insert QB of choice here) type of money
2. I wouldn't pay Kirk more than (insert QB name here)

See but I think this is where the 2 types of comparison come in. When talking about his contract hes compared in order to see if he does match up. It wasnt being stated in the contract discussions that he was actually like Brees now or that he would end up like Brees. And if somebody was arguing that and I missed it then I dont see what difference that makes - its still a very aggressive take thats not likely to end up being true.

But this thread was where I directly saw him stated to be like Brees and several people said they saw that as where he could likely end up. That is what I was commenting on.

 

[skinsdad62]

i believe he could be in the brees /ryan range . he has to do it though

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The Brees comp IS an interesting one. But I still think its aggressive simply because expecting somebody to become an all timer after the age of 29 is likely going to lead to disapointment. Now Cousins COULD end up Brady or Brees 2.0 and I have no problem with people saying that as long as they realize how unlikely it is that actually happens. Which is all my initial post in the thread was trying to say but it has been derailed over semantics about the meaning of a comparison (partially my fault - I couldve been more clear initially).

I stated nothing in my post about Cousins ever becoming as good as Brees. I guess that my point is that Cousins can improve (to what level? Who knows). I think that it is laughable to assume that their will be no further improvement on his part. This take generally comes from people who don't like Cousins (why any Skins fan feels this way is beyond me). The guy only has a little more than two seasons of starts under his belt - why can't he improve?

 

[j_y19]

The Brees comp IS an interesting one. But I still think its aggressive simply because expecting somebody to become an all timer after the age of 29 is likely going to lead to disapointment. Now Cousins COULD end up Brady or Brees 2.0 and I have no problem with people saying that as long as they realize how unlikely it is that actually happens. Which is all my initial post in the thread was trying to say but it has been derailed over semantics about the meaning of a comparison (partially my fault - I couldve been more clear initially).

So you put Brees and Brady in the same category and believe Brees is an all time great qb? Now that, imo, is aggressive. Bree's had been very goood, but he is not an all time great. But I guess it depends on you definition.

 

[Sportster 72]

Yea I didnt say (or accuse shark of) what you think I did. Maybe I need to type slower for you

Im still not entirely sure what Sharks point was. Ill say again though - you can compare any player in the world to any other player in the world if you are seeing how they stack up to each other (which I believe is what Shark is saying the "non-cousins fans" are doing). I can compare Jamarcus Russell to Tom Brady if I want and see how they stack up. But thats not the type of comparison I have been talking about. I was saying that some people are comparing Cousins to an all time great QB by saying that he is similar and may have a similar career. This I called aggressive.


As to who said what and to who was I reffering to...


skinsdad said, "I think he is in the Brees or Ryan range"
You said he was,"potentially comparable to Brees"
j_y19 said, "Brees is the guy I continuously go back to for who I believe KC has the potential to mirror"

Now I realize these statements vary in what theyre saying and degrees of boldness but keep in mind that the ONLY thing I said that started this whole hullabaloo of confusion was, "Thinking one of the best QBs of all time is a good comp for Kirk seems a bit aggressive."

Now hopefully I have cleared up any confusion over what I meant by "comp" and we can move forward and discuss what I meant if anybody has a problem with it.

So if you are going to quote me then please do it accurately. Sty wanted us to name a couple of players that were comparable instead of agreeing with his selections. I chose modern day QBs just for you ehb. I chose Ryan and Stafford. Additionally Sty asked us what we thought Cousins could become. I said that I thought a Brees type of player was a guy he might mimic.

 

[ehb5]

I stated nothing in my post about Cousins ever becoming as good as Brees. I guess that my point is that Cousins can improve (to what level? Who knows). I think that it is laughable to assume that their will be no further improvement on his part. This take generally comes from people who don't like Cousins (why any Skins fan feels this way is beyond me). The guy only has a little more than two seasons of starts under his belt - why can't he improve?

Oh I know you didnt say that. Was just continuing the convo thats all. And I agree it is absolutely laughable to think he cant improve. But its also laughable to just assume he'll develop into Drew Brees or that he is Drew Brees level already (I get not everybody mentioning Brees was saying this).

 

[ehb5]

So you put Brees and Brady in the same category and believe Brees is an all time great qb? Now that, imo, is aggressive. Bree's had been very goood, but he is not an all time great. But I guess it depends on you definition.

I think Brady is better but yes I think Brees is an all time great QB. Hes weird though because hes probably never been the best QB in the league thanks to playing along side Brady, Peyton, and Rodgers.

 

[ehb5]

So if you are going to quote me then please do it accurately. Sty wanted us to name a couple of players that were comparable instead of agreeing with his selections. I chose modern day QBs just for you ehb. I chose Ryan and Stafford. Additionally Sty asked us what we thought Cousins could become. I said that I thought a Brees type of player was a guy he might mimic.

I literally copied what you said so no I did not misquote you. I realize that you were saying he might get there he might not. I too think its possible he gets there. Its just pretty unlikely is all. But hey fingers crossed.