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Cincy should fire Lewis and promote Hue. Painfully obvious.
 

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As many have pointed out, College coaching and the pros are usually structured fundamentally differently. In college, the coach has full control, while in the pros there is usually a General Manager who has final say on player contracts. Why is that? Very simply because players get paid and its a business where the owner is at least as interested in making money as winning football games (Some more than others).

As a fan, I was very excited to see the Eagles under Kelly put the emphasis on Football over Finances. Finally we were going to see the organization go all in on winning football games at any price.

There is an old saying that if you want to understand something you need to follow the money...

Eagles Players Salaries...

2011 $127M
2012 $117M - Last Year of Reid
2013 $131M - Kelly with Roseman in charge of Money
2014 $134M
2015 $150M - Kelly with full control
2016 $134M - And counting without new contracts for Bradford, Thurmond, draft picks, etc.

Also note that under Kelly the Eagles had the largest coaching staff with the most assistants. Presumably one of the most expensive football operations in the league.

I think its clear that Kelly was a poor money manager. When he came in in 2013 they upped their player expenditures by $14M per year, and then when Kelly took full control in 2015 they upped it another $16M. 2016 was going to be more of the same, perhaps even worse. The deals for Murray, Maxwell, Bradford, Miles Austin, Brad Jones were all poor financial deals. Ironically, some of the deals the fans hate the most were actually good decisions financially...DJAX, Maclin, McCoy, Mathis. Bottom Line though is that Kelly was driving the Eagles into Salary Cap hell and costing the owner tens of millions of dollars...without getting any returns in the way of wins or playoff games (which are a huge revenue generator). Some of the moves were more subtle and less controversial. The Eagles went out and hired Special Team specialists like Braman, Seji and Maragos and paid them top dollar just to play special teams.

So when Lurie speaks to "retaking the organization" and the team going in the wrong direction, the fan naturally thinks this is about wins and losses. In reality it is every bit about dollars and cents. Without a clear payoff in wins and losses, Lurie was very pissed about seeing his expenses go up $33M under Kelly, and looking at the next off season and being reticent to pay Bradford and others the sort of money it would require. 2016 was a choice between going all in on Kelly/Bradford (A risky and expensive propositon) or opting for a cheaper rebuild. Lurie chose the rebuild approach.

So the Eagles are back to Roseman which represents fielding a hopefully competitive team on a budget rather than going all in on expensive and risky proposition. As a businessman I can appreciate Lurie's choice, as a football fan I am more than disappointed.

Given that football emphasis hamstrings the organization in terms of providing quality depth and losing quality players that's a pretty short-sighted view of how to run a successful organization.
 

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Smart move imo is to hire Coughlin, whom u know can coach. Why? Its a good way to see if Howie is any good as a GM...for sure. I dont think he is but there is enough doubt out there about what he has and hasnt done that we and more importantly Jeff needs irrefutable proof.

If we still suck in 2-3 years...its time for Howie to go as well. Sorry Jeff.

If Howie is smart, he would want to hire a coordinator who has never coached. A Doug Peterson etc. That way, if we still suck in a few years..you can just blame him.

In the end,Im not confident Howie knows what he is doing and that we will hire the right guy. Im not even sure Jeff wants to really win a SB over all else. Terrible time to be an Eagle fan.

One of the most dysfunctional franchises in the NFL. Embarrassing & it points to Jeff Lurie. Compared to former Eagle owners, hes awesome..compared to great owners in the nfl..he is shit. imo.

Howie is very smart in achieving his goal - him running the franchize and be untouchable. Howie does not care one bit about running the franchize well. If that coincides with him being in power that is nice, but it will always be secondary.

Telling is how Lurie talked about accountability and clarity for responsibility as an argument why he gave Chip Kelly the power last season.

Guess what - no such thing as accountability and clarity for Howie's tenure before 2015, and no such thing now - something which will allow Howie to deflect the blame for any poor draft and decision, and usurp the credit for everything that works out (see how Howie somehow, in the perception of all the fans, has only been involved in the 2012 draft (and then was fully responsible).

Also, it has been argued that Hue Jackson not being interviewed is 100% Jackson being a potentoal threat to Roseman (based on what Jackson did in Oakland).
 

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Apparently the whole front office was waiting for Pederson on the tarmac.
 

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Actually, I think the kids gonna be decent.....they should have been running Hill! instead they have been throwing the hell out of it in the pouring rain.....Pacman just had a heck of a punt return, so Hue is gonna have a chance here....Looks like Big Bens done. Burfict knocked his ass out....yeah remember that guy? no comment!

Burfict...Oh I remember him...There wasn't a guy on our board who wanted him more (including you my friend). I believe I wanted him in the 2/3 and everyone was scared of his behavior. But hey, I just don't toot my horn like some. But thanks for leading me into it...:)
 

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Burflict is a dick and you saw exactly why he dropped. Great player but a stupid SOB.
 

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To put the Cincy blame on Hue Jackson is comical. The dude had to start AJ McCarron in a playoff game. It's a damn shame we don't even get this guy in here for an interview, but I believe it's because of his straight forward and aggressive attitude that probably won't bode well with Roseman's sensitive ass. The real crime is Roseman still playing a role in player personal, better start hitting on same draft picks to save face.
 

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Burfict...Oh I remember him...There wasn't a guy on our board who wanted him more (including you my friend). I believe I wanted him in the 2/3 and everyone was scared of his behavior. But hey, I just don't toot my horn like some. But thanks for leading me into it...:)

No, Wings always liked him, so that is not correct. Even though he is a loose cannon, wings wanted him for his ferocious play.
 

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Burflict is a dick and you saw exactly why he dropped. Great player but a stupid SOB.

He is a fricken douche. We need some nastiness on our D. I actually didn't think the hit on Brown was a bad play.

The other shit is what is the problem.
 

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Apparently the whole front office was waiting for Pederson on the tarmac.
Interview has been completed. I don't get it. Good guy I'm sure (learning from a great one) but without their stellar D the O seems boring. Of course Alex Smith is running things. The thing that gets me is Kelce is supposed to be Gronk-like and he's nothing for many games then Maclin goes out and he gets 130 yards.
 

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I really don't get this love for Pederson. He's only been coaching since 2009, and he didn't even call the plays in KC. A poor mans Andy Reid who probably isn't ready to lead an entire team due to lack of experience. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd be pretty unimpressed with this hire.
 

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I really don't get this love for Pederson. He's only been coaching since 2009, and he didn't even call the plays in KC. A poor mans Andy Reid who probably isn't ready to lead an entire team due to lack of experience. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd be pretty unimpressed with this hire.

It's just Howie wants a puppet so he can still pick the players.
 

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Howie is very smart in achieving his goal - him running the franchize and be untouchable. Howie does not care one bit about running the franchize well.
That doesnt make any sense at all.
 

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That doesnt make any sense at all.

It makes perfect sense. The priorities of Howie:

1. Remain in power. This is the absolute top priority for him.
2. Run the franchize well.

And whenever these priorities conflict, the first priority will take presedence. Hence my statement.

And yes, even last season's events fit there - since Howie knew Chip would hang himself (which Howie could speed up if needed).

Hell, as Geoff Mosher stated today: everybody he has talked to about Howie - whether they are friends of him in private or on the job, like him, do not like him etc. etc. - stated that Howie is absolutely paranoid about grabbing and remaining in power in the Eagles' front office - and will do everything to remove anything and anyone he perceives as a threat to his position.
 

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The idea of Coughlin being a possibility is starting to grow on me. His age is a concern. Is he burned out at this point coaching? Is he still hungry to win again with a new team? I think he is a good short term HC for us because he does get the respect from his vets and young players. His resume speaks for itself. IMO he has gotten the most out of his teams. I think he can at least get the team to buy in to him, something Chip failed to do. I'm not really excited about other options out there.
 
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