Hawks pickup Campoli from Senators

[Urkie]

Yeah but you've got to consider you got Hillary Duff in that trade as well. She's worth the 1st round pick alone.

Well......maybe lol

Just think, at one time we had Hillary Duff and Carrie Underwood as Sens fans.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Well......maybe lol

Just think, at one time we had Hillary Duff and Carrie Underwood as Sens fans.

I think we'd both like to forget the Carol Alt years.

 

[Urkie]

I think we'd both like to forget the Carol Alt years.

haha...Do you think?

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

haha...Do you think?

At least your team doesn't have you know who on the books for 4 or 5 more years. At least his buyout comes down to 2.3 million starting next season for the duration of the deal.

 

[Urkie]

At least your team doesn't have you know who on the books for 4 or 5 more years. At least his buyout comes down to 2.3 million starting next season for the duration of the deal.

True...instead we got Spezza and Chara for him.

Something you probably don't like to be reminded of.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

True...instead we got Spezza and Chara for him.

Something you probably don't like to be reminded of.

That's okay Milpuke would have traded Spezza & Chara at somepoint anyway. He traded Connolly & Pyatt for Peca at the same draft.

 

[forty_three]

The one thing Murray has done well is drafting and to have him around to do that would be a good thing. He's not very good at getting good teams over the hump but he's good at finding a good group of young guys like he did in Anaheim. I figure he's got a couple years left and over that time he can put his good drafting to work. Then another guy can come in and finish the job.

His trades show me that he is clearly focused on the future and he's doing it in a respectful way. He's dealt well respected guys to places they wouldn't mind going and he got Phillips locked up. He didn't just force him out, he gave him a choice and other players around the league notice that kind of thing.

And the bottom line is that Murray really was in a shitty spot when he took over from a prospects point of view. There was nothing in the system when he took over so when players left then he had to try and find stop gaps. Those stop gaps didn't pan out obviously and now they are where they are. This downturn was inevitable and it was pretty obvious it would happen when Alfie's career was coming to a close, especially after the Heatley fiasco.

Given the hole he was in, he did surpisingly well. I was just taken aback at how fast everyone seems to forget he was the one who put himself in that hole.

It was a nice gesture to give Mrs Underwood his wish. And at last an Ottawa GM realized that defensemen, if talked to, sometimes stay. But looking at the whole of his work, he is an EPIC failure.

Here's the Sens draft history. He's been running the show since 2007.
Ottawa Senators Draft History at hockeydb.com

Yeah. He's great. 3 guys that have seen the NHL. Maybe one more that's a hood bet to. And he wouldn't have had the Lehner pick if he hadn't traded Antoine Vermette for Gimpy McFlimsylegs.

 

[Urkie]

Given the hole he was in, he did surpisingly well. I was just taken aback at how fast everyone seems to forget he was the one who put himself in that hole.

It was a nice gesture to give Mrs Underwood his wish. And at last an Ottawa GM realized that defensemen, if talked to, sometimes stay. But looking at the whole of his work, he is an EPIC failure.

Here's the Sens draft history. He's been running the show since 2007.
Ottawa Senators Draft History at hockeydb.com

Yeah. He's great. 3 guys that have seen the NHL. Maybe one more that's a hood bet to. And he wouldn't have had the Lehner pick if he hadn't traded Antoine Vermette for Gimpy McFlimsylegs.

Well, Rundblad and Cowen are pretty much sure bets to make the NHL and from the looks of it both will be absolute studs. It's the main reason why Campoli was traded and why Murray wasn't going to qualify him.

And I think Murray is good for a rebuild. He's been around for longer then almost any other GM in the league, he has scouting connections and he's built teams before that were successful. Those 2 things alone make him appealing to me. Yeah, it's tough to just ignore the last 3 years but Murray really didn't really do anything extremely stupid, he just didn't do enough to prevent the collapse.

 

[forty_three]

Murray didn't draft Rundblad, So I didn't count him.

Karlsson's in, Lehner too. Cowen will be. Zack Smith got there, but won't get back consistently. After that, it's Old Mother Hubbard...

 

[Urkie]

Murray didn't draft Rundblad, So I didn't count him.

Karlsson's in, Lehner too. Cowen will be. Zack Smith got there, but won't get back consistently. After that, it's Old Mother Hubbard...

True on Rundblad although Murray might as well have drafted him.

The draft this summer is going to be pretty crucial though. Maybe the most important draft in franchise history.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

It's too bad this draft is considered weak compare to recent years past & next year.

 

[puckhead]

The draft this summer is going to be pretty crucial though. Maybe the most important draft in franchise history.

at current standings, you fuckers have 6 of the first 60 picks.
reminds me of LA a few years ago, when they were selling everything off for 2nds and 3rds.
they stocked the shelves very well that year.

 

[Urkie]

It's too bad this draft is considered weak compare to recent years past & next year.

Sens scouts actually think this draft is stronger then most people think. That's what makes me kind of excited about it.

 

[Urkie]

at current standings, you fuckers have 6 of the first 60 picks.
reminds me of LA a few years ago, when they were selling everything off for 2nds and 3rds.
they stocked the shelves very well that year.

The Sens really need some forward talent. If they can get it in this draft then they'll be back in contention in a few years because of the defensemen already in the organization.

It's really the only way to build a team now though. Stockpile draft picks and rebuild through the draft.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Murray didn't draft Rundblad, So I didn't count him.

Karlsson's in, Lehner too. Cowen will be. Zack Smith got there, but won't get back consistently. After that, it's Old Mother Hubbard...

Zack Smith will be an NHL regular for a long time. Not a star, obviously, but a good 3rd liner.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Given the hole he was in, he did surpisingly well. I was just taken aback at how fast everyone seems to forget he was the one who put himself in that hole.

It was a nice gesture to give Mrs Underwood his wish. And at last an Ottawa GM realized that defensemen, if talked to, sometimes stay. But looking at the whole of his work, he is an EPIC failure.

Here's the Sens draft history. He's been running the show since 2007.
Ottawa Senators Draft History at hockeydb.com

Yeah. He's great. 3 guys that have seen the NHL. Maybe one more that's a hood bet to. And he wouldn't have had the Lehner pick if he hadn't traded Antoine Vermette for Gimpy McFlimsylegs.

I personally would like to see someone else on board for this rebuilding, but this is not a good case to make.

Detroit has had one player make the NHL from those same drafts and he's played a total of 9 games.

New Jersey has had six who have played a total of 138 games in that span. Exactly 18 more than Erik Karlsson.

Vancouver has a total of 11 NHL games from those drafts by two players.

Boston has 4 players who've totaled 86 games.

Ottawa has harvested 179 games from players taken since 2007. Cowen will play in the NHL for 15 years. Lehner will likely be a starting goalie. Silfverberg is a good bet to make the NHL as is Wiercioch.

Murray has made some bad moves but he is a good evaluator of talent.

 

[Urkie]

I personally would like to see someone else on board for this rebuilding, but this is not a good case to make.

Detroit has had one player make the NHL from those same drafts and he's played a total of 9 games.

New Jersey has had six who have played a total of 138 games in that span. Exactly 18 more than Erik Karlsson.

Vancouver has a total of 11 NHL games from those drafts by two players.

Boston has 4 players who've totaled 86 games.

Ottawa has harvested 179 games from players taken since 2007. Cowen will play in the NHL for 15 years. Lehner will likely be a starting goalie. Silfverberg is a good bet to make the NHL as is Wiercioch.

Murray has made some bad moves but he is a good evaluator of talent.

I guess from a PR standpoint it might be a good idea to get somebody else but few will have the drafting background that Murray has and the experience he has.

We've beaten the Murray thing to death and talked about how much he sucked etc. but he really was put in a position to fail if you look at it. He made some poor decisions but nothing terribly bad. It's just that he couldn't stop the freefall with his UFA signings but those are really a crapshoot anymore and really there's probably nothing that he could have done to save the team from freefalling at some point.

Anyway, I like what he's done since he's been given the orders to start a rebuild and it really wouldn't make much sense for him to do all this and then move on. Either he's coming back next season or Tim Murray will take over I would think.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Islanders 55, Senators 51 & Oilers at 50. The battle for dead last is heating up.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I guess from a PR standpoint it might be a good idea to get somebody else but few will have the drafting background that Murray has and the experience he has.

We've beaten the Murray thing to death and talked about how much he sucked etc. but he really was put in a position to fail if you look at it. He made some poor decisions but nothing terribly bad. It's just that he couldn't stop the freefall with his UFA signings but those are really a crapshoot anymore and really there's probably nothing that he could have done to save the team from freefalling at some point.

Anyway, I like what he's done since he's been given the orders to start a rebuild and it really wouldn't make much sense for him to do all this and then move on. Either he's coming back next season or Tim Murray will take over I would think.

There is some truth in this, but he's dropped the ball in a number of circumstances.

1) He should have told Heatley to stick it up his ass. The Sens did it with Yashin and ended up reaping a windfall. Heatley should have played or, if he didn't like it, sat until a deal that was good for the Sens came around.

2) He jumped the gun with the Kovalev signing; Kovy was not a replacement for Heatley and he just wasn't worth $5M. Think if Murray had used that money to go after 2 $2.5M wingers? The same applies to the Gonchar signing, but at least Gonchar hadn't been sent home by his team the year before.

3) He fucked up the coaching situation. Hartsburg was a BAD fit for a team that scored a ton of goals the year before. Harstburg would be a good coach for a team that is at the bottom of the league. Hartsburg's system made zero use of Ottawa's speed.

 

[Urkie]

There is some truth in this, but he's dropped the ball in a number of circumstances.

1) He should have told Heatley to stick it up his ass. The Sens did it with Yashin and ended up reaping a windfall. Heatley should have played or, if he didn't like it, sat until a deal that was good for the Sens came around.

2) He jumped the gun with the Kovalev signing; Kovy was not a replacement for Heatley and he just wasn't worth $5M. Think if Murray had used that money to go after 2 $2.5M wingers? The same applies to the Gonchar signing, but at least Gonchar hadn't been sent home by his team the year before.

3) He fucked up the coaching situation. Hartsburg was a BAD fit for a team that scored a ton of goals the year before. Harstburg would be a good coach for a team that is at the bottom of the league. Hartsburg's system made zero use of Ottawa's speed.

Well, I tend to agree on Heatley but I think that was the plan until Dany came to training camp and voiced his displeasure about the entire situation. But he just wasn't the same player when he was traded, he still isn't and I don't think you would get a much better return then what he got. The Edmonton return was better though...

I also agree on Kovalev but I think Melnyk pushed hard for him and Murray listened. He's still at fault though because from day 1 we all knew it was a mistake...Murray should have known that as well.

We all agree that he's royally fucked up the coaching situation since he became GM as well. Hartsburg pretty much destroyed the careers of certain players too. After him the team just didn't seem to have the same spark they had before.

In reality Murray doesn't deserve another chance but at the same time I don't think there's many guys better then him to rebuild the team either.